Reminder of what life was like under Donald Trump

[Ell]

I watched part of the RNC and according to the governor of South Dakota her state came out best out of the corona madness: they did nothing.

[+OverSword]

5 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

 

Thats wrong there were countries across the globe that handled the situation better than the most advanced country in the world the USA. Hell, South Korea was better prepared than the US, they took the situation seriously from day one and they have one of the smallest death rates globally.

Not even comparable.  By the nature of our government we had 50 different governors taking 50 different approaches on how to handle covid.  It's simply not the presidents legal right to tell a governor how to run the state they were elected to run.  SK has 50 million people and a central government with the legal ability to have a unified response.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Not even comparable.  By the nature of our government we had 50 different governors taking 50 different approaches on how to handle covid.  It's simply not the presidents legal right to tell a governor how to run the state they were elected to run.  SK has 50 million people and a central government with the legal ability to have a unified response.

In a national emergency the president has the authority to take full control of the nation, and COVID  was the single greatest National emergency in my life time. 

[+DieChecker]

5 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Fauci certainly dropped the ball, why he did I don’t understand because he certainly knew better. As far as the Democrats are concerned, they had no control over the policies during that time frame, it was Trumps decision and he was more concerned about the economy than he was about American lives.

I don't see people going, "Oh, yeah. Fauci gave Trump bad advice". I see people saying "Trump dropped the ball". 

Actually, Democrats had a huge amount of control. As most lockdowns, and quarantine rules, and such were initiated at the State, and City, level. States like Oregon had a very low death rate compared to some other states. Which was because the governor put so many rules into effect.

By the time Trump could have put out executive orders for the first spike of cases/deaths, it was too late. "Science" had failed him.

The next spike, yeah, he could have done plenty to offset that, as many other nations did. So he owns that.

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You very wrong dude, Trump was the President of the United States and as our national leader he is responsible for everything that occurs while he is office.

So, was Biden responsible for the 3rd and 4th spikes, which killed almost as many as died under Trump? A lot more than half those who died, died under Biden's administrations rules.

We saw a graph of Canada earlier. The first spike was the same. Many countries with good healthcare were caught flat footed. Italy is where the East Coast got infected from. And it was hit very hard, despite free tests, free treatment, on socialized medicine.

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Thats wrong there were countries across the globe that handled the situation better than the most advanced country in the world the USA. Hell, South Korea was better prepared than the US, they took the situation seriously from day one and they have one of the smallest death rates globally.

For whatever reason, the Asian nations all seem to have been hit less hard. Probably due to how they see healthcare. More as preventative, then reactionary (As in the US). That's not a Trump issue, it is a Cultural issue. 

Strangely most African nations were almost unaffected. Where the US has 3600 deaths per million, and France like 2000 deaths per million, most African nations had between 20 and 100 deaths per million. Genetics probably comes into it to a large degree.

[+DieChecker]

2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

In a national emergency the president has the authority to take full control of the nation, and COVID  was the single greatest National emergency in my life time. 

Question: Where is that written?

[Unusual Tournament]

17 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Were did I say "do not trust science"? I said, "Do not trust Joe". Joe said bans are useless, but Trump is called ineffective because he didn't put in bans. They all were playing politics with cherry picked facts.

You didn’t directly but you’re making unclear assumptions about covid. Trump never valued Fauci and even on occasions rubbished him in front of the press and dragged his heals on Fauci’s recommendations. The fool even advocated the public drink poisonous acid to Fauci’s dismay. Trump developed this don’t trust the science suspicion to get re-elected and the rest is history. Joe Biden supported Fauci’a recommendations and got very good results in saving lives. 
 

So yeah Trump was very ineffective for not just putting in bans on travel and contact but also in keeping people “doing their own research” and not trusting the science. 

Edited July 19 by Unusual Tournament

[Unusual Tournament]

19 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Wait.  Which president put a covid vaccine on the fast track?

Like I said president Trump took an experimental vaccine shot, he supported the Covid vaccine fast tract BUT played politics by politically cultivating vaccine skeptics to win the presidency. 

[+DieChecker]

9 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

You didn’t directly but you’re making unclear assumptions about covid. Trump never valued Fauci and even on occasions rubbished him in front of the press and dragged his heals on Fauci’s recommendations. The fool even advocated the public drink poisonous acid to Fauci’s dismay. Trump developed this don’t trust the science suspicion to get re-elected and the rest is history. Joe Biden supported Fauci’a recommendations and got very good results in saving lives. 
 

So yeah Trump was very ineffective for not just putting in bans on travel and contact but also in keeping people “doing their own research” and not trusting the science. 

Yeah, but Fauci was on TV, talking to the nation, as the Expert. He said, nothing to worry about. Regardless what Trump said about him. "The Science" said nothing to worry about. Till March. The first spike...

I also did say Trump was dragging his feet, and that's a part of why he owns the second spike that killed way more people than the first spike. Like three times as many. Largely due to huge population centers in Red states, I think.

Edited July 19 by DieChecker

[Ell]

23 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

In a national emergency the president has the authority to take full control of the nation, and COVID  was the single greatest National emergency in my life time. 

Umm, in my opinion fat citizens is the USA's single greatest National emergency.

Covid was and is of no significance whatsoever.

[Edumakated]

20 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Like I said president Trump took an experimental vaccine shot, he supported the Covid vaccine fast tract BUT played politics by politically cultivating vaccine skeptics to win the presidency. 

The first vaccine skeptics were the left...  Biden and Harris stated they wouldn't take a vaccine during debate because it was done under Trump.   

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, Edumakated said:

The first vaccine skeptics were the left...  Biden and Harris stated they wouldn't take a vaccine during debate because it was done under Trump.   

Happy to see where you got that information 

[Grim Reaper 6]

31 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Question: Where is that written?

50 U.S. Code § 1631 - Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress.  

When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

(Pub. L. 94–412, title III, § 301, Sept. 14, 1976, 90 Stat. 1257.)

 

50 U.S. Code § 1631 - Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

[Grim Reaper 6]

31 minutes ago, Ell said:

Umm, in my opinion fat citizens is the USA's single greatest National emergency.

Covid was and is of no significance whatsoever.

Well, maybe you don't care that a million plus Americans died and that the United States had more deaths than 3rd world countries but I do care. There was no need for 50%+ of those deaths, especially in the most advanced country in the world.

But your certainly welcome to your opinion!

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

In a national emergency the president has the authority to take full control of the nation, and COVID  was the single greatest National emergency in my life time. 

Could you imagine the reaction of Americans on both sides had Donald Trump done something so stupid? 🤣  Get real please.

Edited July 19 by OverSword

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Like I said president Trump took an experimental vaccine shot, he supported the Covid vaccine fast tract BUT played politics by politically cultivating vaccine skeptics to win the presidency. 

Got an example of that?  I don't recall Donald Trump ever saying don't take the vaccine, we don't know what's in it, it's very bad, worse than covid, will probably kill you. I'm sorry I'm drawing a blank over here.

[+OverSword]

21 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Well, maybe you don't care that a million plus Americans died and that the United States had more deaths than 3rd world countries but I do care. There was no need for 50%+ of those deaths, especially in the most advanced country in the world.

But your certainly welcome to your opinion!

And the largest percentage were obese people effectively making obesity the bigger threat 

[Unusual Tournament]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Got an example of that?  I don't recall Donald Trump ever saying don't take the vaccine, we don't know what's in it, it's very bad, worse than covid, will probably kill you. I'm sorry I'm drawing a blank over here.

The internet is littered with news stories about Trump cultivating Americans to question authority and not openly discussing the benefits of taking the Covid vaccine. Besides I never said Trump was openly campaigning against the vaccine. I said he was wishy washy on it to encourage the conspiracy vote

Trump has retweeted supporters of the conspiracy theory QAnon hundreds of times, raised misleading claims about mail-in voting and election results, and even suggested that injecting disinfectant could help cure the virus. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/24/trump-vaccine-misinformation/

Edited July 19 by Unusual Tournament

[Ell]

31 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Well, maybe you don't care that a million plus Americans died and that the United States had more deaths than 3rd world countries but I do care. There was no need for 50%+ of those deaths, especially in the most advanced country in the world.

But your certainly welcome to your opinion!

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We analyzed the correlation between mean body mass index (BMI) and 2-year coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) mortality rates reported by 181 countries worldwide. Almost two thirds of the countries included had a mean BMI greater or equal to 25, with death rates ranging from 3 to 6,280 per million. Death rates in countries with a mean BMI below 25 ranged from 3 to 1,533. ...

The impact of excess weight on global COVID-19 mortality is suspected to have been much higher than what currently perceived, here estimated at no less than a fourfold increase in mortality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10042264/

So about 750 000 plus Americans less would have died if they had not been fat.

Edited July 19 by Ell

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, Ell said:

I watched part of the RNC and according to the governor of South Dakota her state came out best out of the corona madness: they did nothing.

Yeah because they live like miles apart with little contact from outside the state

[Unusual Tournament]

7 minutes ago, Ell said:

So about 750 000 plus Americans less would have died if they had not been fat.

I’m really confused and kinda concerned for you. Are you blaming fat people for covid deaths?

[Ell]

32 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Well, maybe you don't care that a million plus Americans died

I have a strong affinity for biology, which I studied for a number of years.

I indeed do not have a problem with ten percent of a population dying due to disease. In my opinion it gets a bit serious when the death rate is at fifty percent, and it gets worrying at ninety percent.

I furthermore suspect that a lot of corona deaths in fact were influenza deaths and that many of them were due to iatrogenesis.

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Like I said president Trump took an experimental vaccine shot, he supported the Covid vaccine fast tract BUT played politics by politically cultivating vaccine skeptics to win the presidency. 

I remember Trump standing next to Fauci making claims and politics at the same time. People seem to forget easily who Trump was and who Trump still is.

Edited July 20 by MrAnderson

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Could you imagine the reaction of Americans on both sides had Donald Trump done something so stupid? 🤣  Get real please.

Could you imagine if Donald Trump acted like a Patriotic American and put the American People above his desire to line his pockets!!!!!!!! Get real please!!!!!

🤣

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

And the largest percentage were obese people effectively making obesity the bigger threat 

Please supply a source that the Largest Percentage of Americans who died were Obese, can you do it or are you just waging your tongue???

😷

 

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, Ell said:

So about 750 000 plus Americans less would have died if they had not been 

1 minute ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Please supply a source that the Largest Percentage of Americans who died were Obese, can you do it or are you just waging your tongue???

😷

 

 

Yes. I'm seeing lots of words but no links to back it up. In other words, another day ending in "Y" with Trumpers making crap up.