Reminder of what life was like under Donald Trump

[Ell]

1 minute ago, Hankenhunter said:

A narcissist who hired sociopaths. Color me surprised.

What does a narcissist know about sociopaths? Narcissists are innocents. 

[+Link of Hyrule]

19 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I disagree. It’s a logical progression

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Logical progression from what? I will agree that Trump made a silly when he ASKED a doctor if it was worth looking into using bleach as an internal treatment. But he didn't tell anyone to take bleach, he didn't tell anyone to drink it or inject it. He didn't say that if you managed to get bleach inside of you (regardless of the method) that you would be cured of covid He simply asked a doctor whether using bleach internally to help covid might be possible (to which the doctor very quickly replied "no", that wasn't possible). 

The media then ran with that dumb but sincere question and twisted into "Donald Trump Claims Injecting Bleach Cures Covid". That led Joe Biden to say his dumb statement at the heart of this fact check - that Donald Trump says drinking bleach cures covid. It's a variation on the theme - inject, drink, whatever. Donald Trump NEVER told anyone that injecting bleach would cure covid, nor did he tell anyone to take it internally via an unspecified method. 

Edited July 20 by Link of Hyrule

[Unusual Tournament]

Just now, Link of Hyrule said:

Logical progression from what? I will agree that Trump made a silly when he ASKED a doctor if it was worth looking into using bleach as an internal treatment. But he didn't tell anyone to take bleach, he didn't tell anyone to drink it or inject it. He didn't say that if you managed to get bleach inside of you (regardless of the method) that you would be cured of covid He simply asked a doctor whether using bleach internally to help covid might be possible. 

The media then ran with that dumb but sincere question and twisted into "Donald Trump Claims Injecting Bleach Cures Covid". That led Joe Biden to say his dumb statement at the heart of this fact check - that Donald Trump says drinking bleach cures covid. It's a variation on the theme - inject, drink, whatever. Donald Trump NEVER told anyone that injecting bleach would cure covid, nor did he tell anyone to take it internally via an unspecified method. 

And yet how many people injected and ingested bleach after Trump’s statement? Tons. But stupid aside, what was wrong with Biden joining those dots into a logical conclusion. Everyone else did. 
 

[simplybill]

5 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

…what was wrong with Biden joining those dots into a logical conclusion. Everyone else did. 

It was wrong because Biden was spreading misinformation. Why would you defend that? You lose your credibility when you support false narratives.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, simplybill said:

It was wrong because Biden was spreading misinformation. Why would you defend that? You lose your credibility when you support false narratives.

I’m not defending anyone. I viewed the video provided by @Link of Hyrule and came to my own conclusion. 

Edited July 20 by Unusual Tournament

[+Link of Hyrule]

16 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

And yet how many people injected and ingested bleach after Trump’s statement? Tons. But stupid aside, what was wrong with Biden joining those dots into a logical conclusion. Everyone else did. 
 

Do you have a link that tons of people injected and/or ingested bleach as a result of Trump's statement? 

Even if they did , how much of this can be attributed to what Trump said vs what the media said Trump said? I almost added this into my previous post but figured it would just muddy the waters, but since it's been raised, let's assume there was a measurable increase in bleach poisoning, did the spike happen because:

1- Lockdowns were just starting to become a thing, schools were closing doors, so having more people at home more of the time would naturally cause more household poisonings to be reported simply because more people will be home more often to have these accidents happen. If so, there would be an increase in all forms of poisoning, not just bleach, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an increase in overall poisonings during this time for that reason.

2- Even if there is a direct increase in bleach poisoning, and it could directly be attributed to the claims of Trump, is the spike attributable to Trump asking the question? Or did the spike happen because the mainstream media led with misleading headlines claiming that Donald Trump thinks injecting bleach will cure covid, after which some poor fool who watched none of Trump's speech gets it into his or her head that Trump did actually tell people to inject bleach, and then they go out and do it because of the media's misrepresentation of the story? 

Inquiring minds need to know. 

Edited July 20 by Link of Hyrule

[+Link of Hyrule]

8 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I’m not defending anyone. I viewed the video provided by @Link of Hyrule and came to my own conclusion. 

Do you mean @Edumakated? 

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Do you have a link that tons of people injected and/or injected bleach as a result of Trump's statement? 

Even if they did , how much of this can be attributed to what Trump said vs what the media said Trump said? I almost added this into my previous post but figured it would just muddy the waters, but since it's been raised, let's assume there was a measurable increase in bleach poisoning, did the spike happen because:

1- Lockdowns were just starting to become a thing, schools were closing doors, so having more people at home more of the time would naturally cause more household poisonings to be reported simply because more people will be home more often to have these accidents happen. If so, there would be an increase in all forms of poisoning, not just bleach, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an increase in overall poisonings during this time for that reason.

2- Even if there is a direct increase in bleach poisoning, and it could directly be attributed to the claims of Trump, is the spike attributable to Trump asking the question? Or did the spike happen because the mainstream media led with misleading headlines claiming that Donald Trump thinks injecting bleach will cure covid, after which some poor fool who watched none of Trump's speech gets it into his or her head that Trump did actually tell people to inject bleach, and then they go out and do it because of the media's misrepresentation of the story? 

Inquiring minds need to know. 

The numbers were alarming.

Back in 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the results of an internet survey that found that 4% of adult respondents said they drank or gargled diluted bleach solutions, soapy water and other disinfectants in an effort to protect themselves from the coronavirus. Extrapolated to the U.S. population, that would mean that more than 10 million adult Americans engaged in such activities.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-07-13/did-americans-actually-drink-bleach-during-the-covid-19-pandemic

 

 

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Do you mean @Edumakated? 

You two look alike 🥸👍

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Edumakated said:

This is where it all started...

Then Joe...

You guys have the memory of a gnat.  

Lying about his words has become a default position with these people.  They'll go to their graves not only repeating the lies but believing them.  THAT is the power wielded by a corrupt media complex.

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

50 U.S. Code § 1631 - Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress.  

When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

(Pub. L. 94–412, title III, § 301, Sept. 14, 1976, 90 Stat. 1257.)

 

50 U.S. Code § 1631 - Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

I'm not laughing at you here Grim.  I just read that and thought about how far our nation has fallen away from that kind of unity and respect for the law over the period of the relentless assaults on a duly elected preisdent, and it occurs to me that even such an executive order by a president would be ignored by a huge part of our population the next time there is a viral outbreak.  FTM, millions would be inclined to ignore DC for many different reasons now.  People have seen how corrupt and rife with double standards the government has been and they feel no obligation to obey any longer.  Ultimately THAT is the butcher's bill for DC's attempt to get rid of the "outsider".

Edited July 20 by and-then

[+Link of Hyrule]

26 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

 

The numbers were alarming.

Back in 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the results of an internet survey that found that 4% of adult respondents said they drank or gargled diluted bleach solutions, soapy water and other disinfectants in an effort to protect themselves from the coronavirus. Extrapolated to the U.S. population, that would mean that more than 10 million adult Americans engaged in such activities.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2023-07-13/did-americans-actually-drink-bleach-during-the-covid-19-pandemic

 

 

That article isn't saying what you think it's saying. Firstly, the accurate part - this is referring to an internet survey issued in the month after Trump's comment. However, there's another thread right now discussing how internet polls are dodgy. This article is confirming that, as they attempted to replicate the findings of that survey and found that the reason it was so shocking is due to "problematic respondents".

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A peer-reviewed study published last week in the journal PLOS ONE found that in its attempt to replicate the CDC’s survey results, reports of ingesting household cleaners were made by so-called “problematic respondents.”

 

 

Problematic respondents come in a variety of forms. They could be inattentive or careless while filling out the survey, selecting answers that aren’t accurate. They could be bots that aren’t actually reading any of the questions. It could be people running survey farms, churning out meaningless results to collect the reward offers.

"Problematic survey respondents pose a fundamental challenge to all survey research and threaten the validity of public-health policy," the authors wrote. "To mitigate against these threats, researchers should rigorously check for problematic respondents, particularly when the survey aims to measure rare events."

Once they weeded out the problematic respondents, about 4% in total tried to do SOMETHING. But that doesn't mean 4% used bleach - 1.3% drank"cleaner of any kind" (it's the only one on the list that only says "drank"), 0.9% used plain soapy water... and they didn't necessarily drink it, the survey asks if they "drank or gargled". 

Based on the non-problematic numbers, only 0.7% of respondents actually said they "drank or gargled diluted bleach" (and that's using the larger number of the two studies accounting for problematic respondents - the other one says 0%). 

Only 1.3% can be said to drink clearner in any form, and 0.7% drank or gargled diluted bleach specifically. Arguably 1.3% is still 1.3% too many, and still represents a statistically significant portion of Americans. But like I noted, even were we to accept that there was a statistically significant number who did this, how much of this is attributable to Trump's words, and how much is attributable to the p***-poor framing presented by the media to make Trump look bad? If the media had reported accurately what had happened, then arguably even fewer than this would have taken it.  

Edited July 20 by Link of Hyrule

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 minutes ago, and-then said:

I'm not laughing at you here Grim.  I just read that and thought about how far our nation has fallen away from that kind of unity and respect for the law over the period of the relentless assaults on a duly elected preisdent, and it occurs to me that even such an executive order by a president would be ignored by a huge part of our population the next time there is a viral outbreak.

I don’t deny that some people will disregard such an executive order, but the point remains the President has the authority to override all state policies concerning the emergency. President Bush, did it 2001 when the World Trade Center was attacked so those who were saying that Trump didn’t have the authority to override State policies is wrong. In addition Trump did declare COVID  a national emergency, but he allowed the states to individually put in place their own protocols and procedures. That was a serious mistake because without federal guidelines the governors failed to properly handle a situation that they should never had to handle alone. I know why Trump handled things that way, it was an attempt to spread the blame around, so the backlash would not all come back on him.

5 minutes ago, and-then said:

FTM, millions would be inclined to ignore DC for many different reasons now.  People have seen how corrupt and rife with double standards the government has been and they feel no obligation to obey any longer.  Ultimately THAT is the butcher's bill for DC's attempt to get rid of the "outsider".

After a National Emergency is declared those who chose to disregard the instructions should be prosecuted to the limits of the law. The other option the President has at that point is to declare Martial law, and send the military (National Guard) in to enforce the law. So, in reality it doesn’t matter the push back the President receives, his job is to protect the American people at all cost.

[Ell]

2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

his job is to protect the American people at all cost.

By committing genocide on them, eh? Best secede from such criminal craziness.

[Grim Reaper 6]

15 minutes ago, Ell said:

By committing genocide on them, eh? Best secede from such criminal craziness.

I totally agree EII!

[Hawken]

On 7/19/2024 at 3:32 AM, DieChecker said:

Im not sure he held intel back, so much as he held back those trying to get things done. And then, later, just got stupid about Covid.

The first spike happened so fast, there was nothing to be done. Even Fausi in January said it wasnt going to be too bad. It wasnt till March, when people were dying everywhere, that Fausi flipped his recommendations. Too late by then.

repoerted

The second spike Trump has to own. But I think that was incompetence, failure of enforcement perhaps, rather then holding anything back. He'd already signed 4 trillion in aid, and lock downs were everywhere, and the Warp Speed was already rolling.

The third and fourth spikes were on Biden's dime. As many died there with two close spikes, as that big second spike. And we all knew what was what by then...

The old people, and the major co-morbidities, with the vaccines and boosters out, had been told they were safe now... so cane out of hiding... but not as safe as they believed, or were told.

 

The media always reported the Deaths but never reported the Recoveries. And the Recoveries far outweigh the Deaths.

This website kept track of the stats from when it began to April 2024. This is the US stats on covid deaths/recovery.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[+DieChecker]

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

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Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

Put out by Trump White House.

Its undeniable that as of mid 2019 the US economy was excellent.

[MrAnderson]

On 7/20/2024 at 2:04 AM, Hawken said:

But you'll only accept links that fit your narratives and from leftwing sources...Right?

No need to be left wing to see who Trump is and if he really wants to serve the interests of ordinary Americans. It's very unfortunate the whole situation has come down to the most unpleasant binary dilemma, Biden or Trump. Other nations probably laughing at this ridiculous show.

There are reasonable conservatives who are against Trump as much as they are against Biden. Like I said in a post earlier Trump is a failed recipe.

Edited July 21 by MrAnderson

[MrAnderson]

On 7/20/2024 at 3:01 AM, Link of Hyrule said:

Logical progression from what? I will agree that Trump made a silly when he ASKED a doctor if it was worth looking into using bleach as an internal treatment. But he didn't tell anyone to take bleach, he didn't tell anyone to drink it or inject it. He didn't say that if you managed to get bleach inside of you (regardless of the method) that you would be cured of covid He simply asked a doctor whether using bleach internally to help covid might be possible (to which the doctor very quickly replied "no", that wasn't possible). 

The media then ran with that dumb but sincere question and twisted into "Donald Trump Claims Injecting Bleach Cures Covid". That led Joe Biden to say his dumb statement at the heart of this fact check - that Donald Trump says drinking bleach cures covid. It's a variation on the theme - inject, drink, whatever. Donald Trump NEVER told anyone that injecting bleach would cure covid, nor did he tell anyone to take it internally via an unspecified method. 

If it was only for the bleach incident...

[Grim Reaper 6]

22 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

No need to be left wing to see who Trump is and if he really wants to serve the interests of ordinary Americans. It's very unfortunate the whole situation has come down to the most unpleasant binary dilemma, Biden or Trump. Other nations probably laughing at this ridiculous show.

Your right it doesn't take being a member of the Left to see through Trumps façade, many members of the Republican Party can also see him for the False Prophet he actually is.

22 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

There are reasonable conservatives who are against Trump as much as they are against Biden. Like I said in a post earlier Trump is a failed recipe.

 

[+DieChecker]

12 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

No need to be left wing to see who Trump is and if he really wants to serve the interests of ordinary Americans.

Thing about Trump is he acts like hes immovable, but he wants to be popular, and so can be manipulated like any other politician. 

He can do what is "right" (or Right) if hes convinced it will make his conservative base love him. 

Personally, I cant stand him, but I find many of his Platform stands to be attractive. Giving power to states, rather than bigger Federal control, I like. A bit of protectionism. A bit of nationalism. A bit of isolationism.

We dominate the world, and the world hates us for it, while begging for more.

 

[Hawken]

31 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

No need to be left wing to see who Trump is and if he really wants to serve the interests of ordinary Americans. It's very unfortunate the whole situation has come down to the most unpleasant binary dilemma, Biden or Trump. Other nations probably laughing at this ridiculous show.

There are reasonable conservatives who are against Trump as much as they are against Biden. Like I said in a post earlier Trump is a failed recipe.

I've was a register democrat for years. But I always voted for the politician, not the party. I've even voted for independent candidates when not

satisfied with the 2 main parties. I don't like Trump's mannerism. But I did like his policies while he was in office. Sadly, the MSM failed to report

his policies to keep their viewers uninformed since they have a narrative to push. They kept out the positives but kept bringing up the negatives.

Trump's policies between 2017 to 2020. Trump's long list of accomplishments (gadsdentimes.com)

[+Link of Hyrule]

7 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

If it was only for the bleach incident...

It's emblematic of how the media has always fake reported Trump's comments. It happened very very recently with the "bloodbath" comment, with the majority of the mainstream media scaring people into thinking Trump was calling for a literal physical bloodbath - and even here on UM where we get to discuss the context many anti-Trump members right here have agreed that the context of Trump's comment was about the economy, but Trump was talking in code to his extremist followers, who will know the true meaning of the violence he wants to bring..... despite the plain context of his words proving that to be a lie. 

If the media treated Trump like they treat other politicians, most of the scare quotes would never see the light of day. For example, we didn't hear anything about Joe Biden's comment about putting Trump in a bullseye until AFTER Trump was shot at. Do you really think the media would have let it slide for over a week if Trump had called to put Biden in a bullseye? Not just the bleach comment, not just the bloodbath comment.... if the media reported Trump honestly the narrative about him would be very different today. 

Thanks for the chat, and have a good week, Neo  

Edited July 22 by Link of Hyrule

[+DieChecker]

2 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

It's emblematic of how the media has always fake reported Trump's comments.

Kind of like how CNN, MSNBC, and multiple others are carrying stories about how many "Lies" Trump is telling in his rallies, but not a single bipartisan article on the "Gaffs" Biden is telling? 

Trump is a liar and a SOB, but it is disturbing how bias many of these "New Outlets" can be. Sure, people say Fox by itself has as many viewers as the others put together. And theyre as bias as the others. But it would be refreshing to see centrist, non-partisan news for a change. 

[Agent0range]

On 7/19/2024 at 11:01 PM, Link of Hyrule said:

"Donald Trump Claims Injecting Bleach Cures Covid"

I copied this quote and did a google search.  No media outlet ever ran a story saying that injecting bleach would "cure" Covid.  You're getting emotional, and either being intentionally hyperbolic, or you're just straight up lying.