Trump trying to worm his way outta debating Kamala Harris

[Tatetopa]

4 minutes ago, and-then said:

Seriously?  The ads will remind everyone what successes Trump had prior to Covid and allow the people to decide which economy and overall condition of the country, they prefer.  That's what the race will get down to.  If the election has no major irregularities as it did in 2020, then let the people decide. 

That sounds great.  I'm up for that.  I would feel much better about the future if I could point to one or two Trump achievements apart from tax cuts for the elites, increase in the deficit, and deregulation for large corporations.  Just my selfish view point, but none of those things did anything for the middle class of wage earners with families.  I watch my 401k carefully and I saw it flatten and began a decline after the tariffs on China and before covid. 

Gas was half the price under George Bush compared to Trump administration., so maybe Republicans should bring him back.

[+Sherapy]

49 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

That sounds great.  I'm up for that.  I would feel much better about the future if I could point to one or two Trump achievements apart from tax cuts for the elites, increase in the deficit, and deregulation for large corporations.  Just my selfish view point, but none of those things did anything for the middle class of wage earners with families.  I watch my 401k carefully and I saw it flatten and began a decline after the tariffs on China and before covid. 

Gas was half the price under George Bush compared to Trump administration., so maybe Republicans should bring him back.

Similar here, our 401K also took a hit, and there were no tax breaks for us either, we are middle class, Covid was a nitemare, I am a caregiver and he only added to the harm so much harm by his handling of it. A president never knows what they will face but they need to be able to act feet to the fire and trump has no capacity for this let alone an ability to take, let alone apply feedback. I am not impressed with him at all. Gas was no issue for us as we bought Priuses long ago knowing gas prices would be a financial hardship as a resident of CA. We are pragmatists. We now own an electric vehicle, as many do here. 

Edited August 3 by Sherapy

[Kenemet]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Seriously?  The ads will remind everyone what successes Trump had prior to Covid and allow the people to decide which economy and overall condition of the country, they prefer.  That's what the race will get down to.  If the election has no major irregularities as it did in 2020, then let the people decide. 

If we see all sorts of mail-in balloting with no proof or verification and we see vote counting stopping in the wee hours and counting sites being hidden from public view and such, this will be our last election.  

Before you run off on all that, may I suggest that you go to your county elections department and ask to be trained as an elections clerk -- and then work the elections.

This "vote counting stopping in the wee hours" does not make sense if you've worked an election.  If you have a busy precinct (I have one of the Dallas precincts), the doors to the site close at 7 pm, but anyone standing in line at 7pm will be allowed to vote.  Last election, the line was over 100 people long at 7pm and the last one finished voting about 11 pm.  I had to close the polls and secure everything (under the eyes of a cop assigned to the area) and clean the area before I could leave.  When I got to the drop off point (taking ballots, print outs from vote counter (signed by myself and my clerks), trashed ballots (machine decided to eat ballot/person made mistake and wanted new ballot, etc), and multiple signed documents) there were about 60 cars in line ahead of me at the delivery point (which was for the east side of Dallas and not the whole metroplex)

I cannot leave with the material and go home.  I *must* drop it off (or the cops will come find me and haul me back to the delivery station.) 

I got home at 3 am.

There's nothing hinky or suspicious or anything weird going on.  There's all sorts of checks and balances.

 

You may be receiving information from people who are so poorly informed about the voting process that they don't actually vote themselves.  Instead of believing them, go find out for yourself.  Do your personal bit to make the election secure by being an informed clerk at a polling place.

[+Sherapy]

20 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Before you run off on all that, may I suggest that you go to your county elections department and ask to be trained as an elections clerk -- and then work the elections.

This "vote counting stopping in the wee hours" does not make sense if you've worked an election.  If you have a busy precinct (I have one of the Dallas precincts), the doors to the site close at 7 pm, but anyone standing in line at 7pm will be allowed to vote.  Last election, the line was over 100 people long at 7pm and the last one finished voting about 11 pm.  I had to close the polls and secure everything (under the eyes of a cop assigned to the area) and clean the area before I could leave.  When I got to the drop off point (taking ballots, print outs from vote counter (signed by myself and my clerks), trashed ballots (machine decided to eat ballot/person made mistake and wanted new ballot, etc), and multiple signed documents) there were about 60 cars in line ahead of me at the delivery point (which was for the east side of Dallas and not the whole metroplex)

I cannot leave with the material and go home.  I *must* drop it off (or the cops will come find me and haul me back to the delivery station.) 

I got home at 3 am.

There's nothing hinky or suspicious or anything weird going on.  There's all sorts of checks and balances.

 

You may be receiving information from people who are so poorly informed about the voting process that they don't actually vote themselves.  Instead of believing them, go find out for yourself.  Do your personal bit to make the election secure by being an informed clerk at a polling place.

Thank you, well said. 

[+and-then]

45 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

This "vote counting stopping in the wee hours" does not make sense if you've worked an election.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-causing-hour-delay-processing/story?id=73981348

Uh huh... and when the Republican observers were told to be back at 7-8 to begin counting again, the Dems immediately began counting.  Don't bother with your BS excuses.  This was far from being the only irregularity.  There were also rooms where the counting was being done where people inside put up blinds on the windows to keep from being observed.  

If none of that was a problem then, you shouldn't be concerned for Republican observers in all states demanding to be in the rooms where the counting is being done, AND REFUSING to leave before the counting is finished, even if that takes days...

[Unusual Tournament]

13 hours ago, acidhead said:

September 4, 2024 

Trump lies and moves the goal posts all the time. Why would this be any different?

[+Razman]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-causing-hour-delay-processing/story?id=73981348

Uh huh... and when the Republican observers were told to be back at 7-8 to begin counting again, the Dems immediately began counting.  Don't bother with your BS excuses.  This was far from being the only irregularity.  There were also rooms where the counting was being done where people inside put up blinds on the windows to keep from being observed.  

If none of that was a problem then, you shouldn't be concerned for Republican observers in all states demanding to be in the rooms where the counting is being done, AND REFUSING to leave before the counting is finished, even if that takes days...

Am i missing something here , because i don't see any of that stuff you are talking about here at that link.

[Hankenhunter]

On 7/24/2024 at 6:57 PM, and-then said:

Down South we RESPECT, respectable women.  The others don't deserve it, but as long as they remain civil, we try to respect them, as well.  Are you now an expert on "southern men" as well as being a lifelong "Republican"?  

Don't you mean respectable white women? Because Alamama as a whole certainly doesn't respect black women.

[Hankenhunter]

On 7/29/2024 at 8:11 PM, Agent0range said:

He won't debate.  He's now the old weird guy, rightfully so.

Weird, and creepy.

[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, and-then said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pipe-bursts-atlanta-arena-causing-hour-delay-processing/story?id=73981348

Uh huh... and when the Republican observers were told to be back at 7-8 to begin counting again, the Dems immediately began counting.  Don't bother with your BS excuses.  This was far from being the only irregularity.  There were also rooms where the counting was being done where people inside put up blinds on the windows to keep from being observed.  

If none of that was a problem then, you shouldn't be concerned for Republican observers in all states demanding to be in the rooms where the counting is being done, AND REFUSING to leave before the counting is finished, even if that takes days...

???

There was a busted pipe.  There's nothing about counting times in that report.  If the break was in the area where the Republicans were counting, then they wouldn't be let in as quickly.

Also... no, they don't allow you to stand over the counters' shoulders while they're counting or while they're processing ballots.  Nobody wants to be stopped every two minutes by someone who has no knowledge of what's going on and is suspicious of everything.

There are Republicans counting those ballots in every county, in every state because Republicans (and Independents and Democrats) work all the elections at all levels.  In effect, you're saying that every single Republican in Georgia (and all other elections) suddenly got brainwashed and turned Democrat for five days?

Are you saying that every single trained Republican election official (who should know what was going on because they know the process) was suddenly attacked by a Giant Brain Parasite and decided to throw the election?

If there was massive fraud, why weren't the Republican officials (who were trained on the process and trained on the equipment) raising holy heck in droves?  At my polling place, I have a Republican co-judge and she has 3 clerks.  I have my own three clerks.  Do you really think that if one of us (again, trained and we know what should be happening) saw our co-judge or clerks dong something illegal that we would all shrug and walk away?

I dunno.  Maybe you do.  I have more faith in people than that/

[+Razman]

31 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

???

There was a busted pipe.  There's nothing about counting times in that report.  If the break was in the area where the Republicans were counting, then they wouldn't be let in as quickly.

Also... no, they don't allow you to stand over the counters' shoulders while they're counting or while they're processing ballots.  Nobody wants to be stopped every two minutes by someone who has no knowledge of what's going on and is suspicious of everything.

There are Republicans counting those ballots in every county, in every state because Republicans (and Independents and Democrats) work all the elections at all levels.  In effect, you're saying that every single Republican in Georgia (and all other elections) suddenly got brainwashed and turned Democrat for five days?

Are you saying that every single trained Republican election official (who should know what was going on because they know the process) was suddenly attacked by a Giant Brain Parasite and decided to throw the election?

If there was massive fraud, why weren't the Republican officials (who were trained on the process and trained on the equipment) raising holy heck in droves?  At my polling place, I have a Republican co-judge and she has 3 clerks.  I have my own three clerks.  Do you really think that if one of us (again, trained and we know what should be happening) saw our co-judge or clerks dong something illegal that we would all shrug and walk away?

I dunno.  Maybe you do.  I have more faith in people than that/

They been going with this all along , but  , realistically , for any mass election fraud like that , it would take a herculean effort of massive proportions with huge amount of people involved at many places and many levels.

Edited August 4 by Razman

[Will Due]

1 hour ago, Razman said:

it would take a herculean effort of massive proportions with huge amount of people involved at many places and many levels.

 

Same thing happened in Salem c1692

 

 

[+Razman]

26 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Same thing happened in Salem c1692

 

 

You mean , the witches?

[Will Due]

10 minutes ago, Razman said:

You mean , the witches?

 

No, with the deception involved with motivating otherwise good people to become crazed and bloodthirsty.

 

 

[+Razman]

8 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

No, with the deception involved with motivating otherwise good people to become crazed and bloodthirsty.

 

 

You lost me there , you must mean the people got crazy and blood thirsty during the witch hunts in Salem 1692 i assume? And so how exactly does this relate to a herculean effort with many people on many levels , stealing an election in 2020 across multiple many states.? 

Edited August 4 by Razman

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, Razman said:

You lost me there , you must mean the people got crazy and blood thirsty during the witch hunts in Salem 1692 i assume? And so how exactly does this relate to a herculean effort with many people on many levels , stealing an election in 2020? 

 

It was the same type of deception that resulted in the mass hysteria of c1692 that ended up motivating certain people to silently conspire in doing those things that helped steal the election for Joe Biden in 2020. At its essence, there was practically no difference.

 

 

[+Razman]

4 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

It was the same type of deception that resulted in the mass hysteria of c1692 that ended up motivating certain people to silently conspire in doing those things that helped steal the election for Joe Biden in 2020. At its essence, there was practically no difference.

 

 

 So , it was mass hysteria that caused a multitudes of people both Republican and Democrat to steal the election?  I'll have to admit , thats the first time i heard that one, it's a new one on me.

[Will Due]

5 minutes ago, Razman said:

it was mass hysteria 

 

That and the inability to recognize to what degree they were being deceived.

 

 

[+Razman]

And so who was this great deceiver? And was it a targeted deceit that deceived just the people it needed to deceive to steal the election? I mean you weren't deceived , right? And from looking around i would guess that there was many , many more that were not deceived. What about the many 10's of millions that voted for Trump, They were not deceived? And Trump , he's not a deceiver?

Edited August 4 by Razman

[Will Due]

13 minutes ago, Razman said:

And so who was this great deceiver? And was it a targeted deceit that deceived just the people it needed to deceive to steal the election? I mean you weren't deceived , right? And from looking around i would guess that there was many , many more that were not deceived. What about the many 10's of millions that voted for Trump, They were not deceived? And Trump , he's not a deceiver?

 

Good night Raz. I'll talk with you later. 

 

 

[Will Due]

10 hours ago, Razman said:

And Trump , he's not a deceiver?

 

No, his presence in politics causes deceivers to expose themselves naked in droves. 

Not that we didn't already know who they are.

 

 

 

[Gromdor]

12 hours ago, Will Due said:

Same thing happened in Salem c1692

The Salem area had a population of around 2000 people with only 500-600 people living in the actual village: Salem Village History (tulane.edu)

[Will Due]

24 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

The Salem area had a population of around 2000 people with only 500-600 people living in the actual village: Salem Village History (tulane.edu)

 

Now expand that out to the population of the country and you'll see how mindless mass hysteria works. 

 

 

[+Sherapy]

40 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Now expand that out to the population of the country and you'll see how mindless mass hysteria works. 

 

 

This does define the maga groupies. 

[jmccr8]

5 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

No, his presence in politics causes deceivers to expose themselves naked in droves. 

Not that we didn't already know who they are.

 

 

 

HI Will

Those that do not accept the outcome of the last election are deceiving themselves aided but Trump's rhetoric.