Trump trying to worm his way outta debating Kamala Harris

[preacherman76]

On 9/3/2024 at 11:21 PM, psyche101 said:

The main reason is that current laws to prevent noncitizen voting work as intended and that the bill risks purging eligible voters from the voter rolls. They are also concerned that it will result in less motivation to vote. 

The democrats are more saying don't fix what isn't broken. 

I don't know about America but here you have to be on a register to vote. To receive a voting card one supplies name and address to ascertain voting eligibility, but on the other hand we have compulsory voting.

Once an illegal immigrant has a drivers license, there is nothing to stop them from registering to vote. There is nothing to stop them from voting. 
 

Here in NY I literally watched a DMV employee practically beg a guy who was getting his permit and had to bring a translator with him, to register to vote. 
 

A massive amount of illegals will be voting in this election and there is nothing at all to stop them. It’s why they were allowed in to begin with. 

Edited September 9 by preacherman76

[+Razman]

2 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Once an illegal immigrant has a drivers license, there is nothing to stop them from registering to vote. There is nothing to stop them from voting. 
 

Here in NY I literally watched a DMV employee practically beg a guy who was getting his permit and had to bring a translator with him, to register to vote. 
 

A massive amount of illegals will be voting in this election and there is nothing at all to stop them. It’s why they were allowed in to begin with. 

It's more complicated than that as far as i understand it, you still need to go through a process , and that license is not for using to vote.

What’s the Process for Getting a Driver’s License as an Undocumented Immigrant? 

Again, this process may vary by state. We’ll use California as an example here to explain the process for getting a driver’s license as an undocumented immigrant.

In California, applicants do not need a valid Social Security Number (SSN). However, they do need to: 

• Prove their identity, such as through a passport, consular card, or electoral card

• Prove they are a resident of California by providing documents such as:

  • A rental or lease agreement with their name

  • Mortgage or utility bills

  • School, medical, insurance, bank, or employment records 

• Swear that they are ineligible for an SSN and unable to submit proof that the federal government lawfully recognizes their presence in the United States 

• Pass the same skill and knowledge driving tests as any other license applicant

To get a license, first make an appointment or appear at a driver’s license processing center. Then, apply, pay the fees, and pass the written exam and driving skills test. Most states provide study materials for the tests on their state Department of Motor Vehicles website. 

 

Will the Driver’s License Be REAL ID Compliant?

No, your driver’s license will not be REAL ID compliant. The federal government has stated that a REAL ID will be required starting May 7, 2025, for anyone boarding domestic flights or accessing certain federal facilities. 

A REAL ID is a form of identification that you must have legal immigration status to get. If you receive a driver’s license as an undocumented immigrant, it will likely have the words “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” printed on it. 

However, other immigrants with lawful status can receive REAL ID driver’s licenses. You do not have to be a green card holder or U.S. citizen to receive one. For example, you can have temporary protected status (TPS) and obtain a REAL ID. 

 

Can an Undocumented Immigrant Use Their Driver’s License as Photo Identification?

The primary purpose of your driver’s license is to prove you can legally operate a motor vehicle. However, a state-issued driver’s license does not change your immigration status. It does not prove you have legal status or residency. It is still possible for you to face deportation or removal proceedings by the Department of Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). 

You should not use your driver’s license for federal purposes. For example, you can’t use it to vote in federal elections. Also, it is not a work permit, so you can’t use it to legally work in the United States. You may be able to show your license as a valid form of photo ID to a state law enforcement officer if you are stopped while driving. However, you could be flagged if you need to show your license to a federal law enforcement officer or state law enforcement officer from another state. 

Because your license will likely bear the message “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” or another similar phrase, the official may infer your undocumented status and refer you to immigration enforcement authorities. This extends to federal officials such as Border Patrol or TSA. If you are flying on a commercial flight, you should not use your driver’s license as a form of identification. 

Can Undocumented Immigrants Get a Driver’s License? (immigrationhelp.org)

Edited September 9 by Razman

[psyche101]

13 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Once an illegal immigrant has a drivers license, there is nothing to stop them from registering to vote. There is nothing to stop them from voting. 
 

Here in NY I literally watched a DMV employee practically beg a guy who was getting his permit and had to bring a translator with him, to register to vote. 
 

A massive amount of illegals will be voting in this election and there is nothing at all to stop them. It’s why they were allowed in to begin with. 

 

America issues drivers licenses to illegal immigrants? 

I'm calling BS on that one. 

[HandsomeGorilla]

27 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

 

America issues drivers licenses to illegal immigrants? 

I'm calling BS on that one. 

Some places allow non-citizens to acquire licenses and some also allow them to vote in local elections. However, it's 100% illegal for non-citizens to vote in federal elections. 

[the13bats]

So will the convicted felon, racist misogynist  sexist debate the mixed race woman, prosecutor of felons?

I will wait and see, if he doesnt chicken out im predicting within a short time he goes into typical trump mood disgusting and revolting decent people and winning maga love and worship and of course donations.

[psyche101]

59 minutes ago, HandsomeGorilla said:

Some places allow non-citizens to acquire licenses and some also allow them to vote in local elections. However, it's 100% illegal for non-citizens to vote in federal elections. 

Surely an illegal immigrant isn't considered a citizen?

[HandsomeGorilla]

9 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Surely an illegal immigrant isn't considered a citizen?

Correct. An illegal immigrant certainly isn't a citizen but a non-citizen isn't automatically an illegal immigrant. Just because someone at the DMV doesn't speak English and is applying for a license doesn't mean they're illegal and incapable of voting. 

[psyche101]

19 minutes ago, HandsomeGorilla said:

Correct. An illegal immigrant certainly isn't a citizen but a non-citizen isn't automatically an illegal immigrant. Just because someone at the DMV doesn't speak English and is applying for a license doesn't mean they're illegal and incapable of voting. 

That's what I thought.

 

Again we see lies to support ideology.....

 

15 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Once an illegal immigrant has a drivers license,

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[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

So will the convicted felon, racist misogynist  sexist debate the mixed race woman, prosecutor of felons?

I will wait and see, if he doesnt chicken out im predicting within a short time he goes into typical trump mood disgusting and revolting decent people and winning maga love and worship and of course donations.

‘Trump Is Scared To Debate!' Says Party Whose Last Candidate Had To Quit Politics After Debate

 

WASHINGTON, DC — Democrats have boldly declared President Trump to be scared of debating, just a month after their last candidate was forced to quit politics forever after a debate with Trump.

"After our candidate called off the second debate and quit the campaign entirely, now Donald Trump wants to negotiate a new debate with our new candidate. What a chicken!" said Democratic strategist Ben Marlow. "We call on Donald Trump to debate our current candidate, which we reserve the right to switch out if the next debate goes poorly for us. Your move, Donald!"

Full Satire here

[preacherman76]

I don’t care what bull crap they let you believe. Here in NY these people are voting. I personally know well over 100 immigrants. I’ve been running a CDL school for over two years now. It’s 90% of my student base. 
 

They are encouraged to vote. In both state and federal elections. 

[+Sherapy]

3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I don’t care what bull crap they let you believe. Here in NY these people are voting. I personally know well over 100 immigrants. I’ve been running a CDL school for over two years now. It’s 90% of my student base. 
 

They are encouraged to vote. In both state and federal elections. 

Granted, concerns over illegal immigrants voting in the U.S. has been a topic of discussion. However, research and investigations have generally found that instances of illegal voting by non citizens are extremely rare. According to various studies and reports, the prevalence of illegal immigrants participating in elections is minimal, and the voting system in the U.S. has many safeguards to prevent such occurrences.

States have implemented measures such as voter ID laws and registration systems to verify the identity and citizenship of voters. You are sharing an anecdotal report or isolated cases, if you can support that your school has a lot of illegal voting it is on you to report it. Period. 

My two cents: no disrespect to you but, It's only fair to rely on credible sources and data/evidence when discussing this issue, the misinformation only leads to misunderstandings about the voting process and the integrity of elections.

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I don’t care what bull crap they let you believe. Here in NY these people are voting. I personally know well over 100 immigrants. I’ve been running a CDL school for over two years now. It’s 90% of my student base. 
 

They are encouraged to vote. In both state and federal elections. 

You know your students are migrants because you are checking their residency or visa at enrolment, right?

[+OverSword]

21 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

You know your students are migrants because you are checking their residency or visa at enrolment, right?

Spoken like someone that does not have a foreign country across his border.

Edited September 10 by OverSword

[Golden Duck]

28 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Spoken like someone that does not have a foreign country across his border.

What has that got to do with an education institution being part of student visa system?

It seems to me, if you run a school that takes fees from illegal immigrants then you are part of the problem.  But, to then carry Trump's water because he'll fix things and take away 90 per cent of your clients... well something doesn't ring true.

[+OverSword]

17 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

What has that got to do with an education institution being part of student visa system?

 

Why do you question the man's ability to make the judgement that a person is a migrant?  That's the question.  

[+and-then]

On 9/9/2024 at 4:50 AM, preacherman76 said:

A massive amount of illegals will be voting in this election and there is nothing at all to stop them. It’s why they were allowed in to begin with. 

And apparently, the folks at Rolling Stone are still scared spitless the Orange Man might win:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/if-trump-wins-2024-election-1235096091/

This goes beyond being a hit piece.  It is actual hysteria.  If this is an example of what the Left is consuming for news, it's no wonder they think the world could end.

[Zebra3]

54 minutes ago, and-then said:

And apparently, the folks at Rolling Stone are still scared spitless the Orange Man might win:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/if-trump-wins-2024-election-1235096091/

This goes beyond being a hit piece.  It is actual hysteria.  If this is an example of what the Left is consuming for news, it's no wonder they think the world could end.

Even just the first paragraph. Full blown mental disorder.

"Donald Trump was slamming his fist on the Resolute Desk and, once again, calling for blood. 

It was the second year of his presidency, and Trump was seething about gang members and drug lords. He wanted to see their bodies piled up in the streets. Specifically, he sought a series of mass executions — with firing squads and gallows, and certainly without the quaintness of an appeals process — to send a chilling message about the scope of his power."

Idiocy.

[DayoOlabisi]

16 hours ago, psyche101 said:

That's what I thought.

 

Again we see lies to support ideology.....

 

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my citizenship has never been directly checked in any election in the US. it's been a long time since i've voted in-person so i don't even know if they check photo IDs now. however, i just checked my photo ID (driver's license) and it does not indicate that i am a citizen. i don't doubt that there are indirect checks (more like hurdles; declaring citizenship upon registration, attesting citizenship upon license renewal etc.) to keep votes from illegal voters, but it also seems like it's very possible for illegal voters to cast votes with very little reason to believe anyone will catch it. half of the population wants non-citizens to vote. some portion of that pop would also like illegal residents to vote. so there's an asymmetric interest in enforcing the clarity of who is and is not voting among those who can do so legally. i suspect that difficulty is also beneficial to some interests.

[Golden Duck]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

Why do you question the man's ability to make the judgement that a person is a migrant?  That's the question.  

How do you tell if someone is a migrant?

Edited September 10 by Golden Duck

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

How do you tell if someone is a migrant?

The amount of product in their hair is a dead give away these days 😆

[Golden Duck]

5 minutes ago, OverSword said:

The amount of product in their hair is a dead give away these days 😆

Grecian 2000?