Meditation can be harmful – and can even make mental health problems worse

[+Sherapy]

59 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Meditation is a waste of time. 

For some it is, sitting meditation requires a lot of time and not everyone’s life can accommodate this approach. Are you still doing the do easy method?

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

Since it is the affluent who are often seen as role models in society, I would say it is necessary for meditation teachers to be affluent.

Sooooo......meditation teachers need to be wealthy to be qualified? 

Like those clowns at Edgar Cayce's ARE who teach "American" Yoga and meditation who have their students bouncing while stretching? 

 

[XenoFish]

5 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Are you still doing the do easy method?

Yes and I don't consider it meditation. 

[XenoFish]

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

bouncing while stretching

Sound like a recipe for tendon rupture.

[+joc]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

See, engineers and technicians creating and maintaining an aircraft carrier or F-35 or nuclear submarine with their cargos of death meant for destruction are paid handsomely. 

So why should anyone begrudge a trained and experienced teacher in meditation who is doing a worthwhile service to society by teaching and guiding a person in meditation, and which has excellent benefits in general as per scientific research !

Since it is the affluent who are often seen as role models in society, I would say it is necessary for meditation teachers to be affluent.

I myself was taught meditation by an enlightened sage who never charged me, but I did feel that it was not correct to exploit his goodness of heart and that labor of any sort should be paid for , and tried to compensate him back later on .

Ok

To begin with, engineers and technicians are purveyors of knowledge.  Whereas, gurus are purveyors of belief. Knowledge by definition consists of things we know. Belief consists of things we don't know.  Knowledge is a huge file of things that humans have proven to be true.  The difference should be obvious to you.  

Secondly, we have instruments of death in our military arsenals for good reason.  That reason is that some people should die!

A lioness or lion or any animal in nature will kill to protect their own.  The military is our Lion...our Lioness! 

Here is an experiment:

Attempt meditation while your family is being raped and killed by merciless marauders of faith.  Regardless of country we should all be thankful and hold in high esteem those who take part in protecting our freedoms, including the freedom to meditate.

[Piney]

11 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Sound like a recipe for tendon rupture.

I saw a video my sister bought and told her the clown wasn't even a athlete, let alone a Yoga instructor. 

[XenoFish]

Meditation, rumination. Same thing.

[+Sherapy]

5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Meditation, rumination. Same thing.

An add too: Rumination involves repetitive, negative thoughts that can lead to dwelling on problems without finding solutions. On the other hand, some approaches to meditation involve focusing deeply on a specific thought or idea with the intention of gaining understanding, clarity, or a shift in perspective. 

[+Sherapy]

27 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Yes and I don't consider it meditation. 

Just curious？can you expand on why, thanks.

[XenoFish]

5 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Just curious？can you expand on why, thanks.

Because it's just focused action. 

[+Sherapy]

9 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Because it's just focused action. 

An add too: Different techniques, such as the "do easy method," can help a person achieve a meditative state in essence which is a calm mind, focusing on the present moment, and reducing stress. Meditation can be customized to suit various preferences and needs, so there isn't just one "right" way to meditate. 
 

Question: how does focusing your attention help you, if it does?

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Sherapy said:

Question: how does focusing your attention help you, if it does?

Less screw ups. 

[+Sherapy]

2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Less screw ups. 

👍🏼

[+joc]

12 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Because it's just focused action. 

I tend to agree with this.  Meditation is the opposite of action.

It is actually 'unfocused' thought, which allows our subconscious free reign within the reality of the conscious mind.  Focused thought is not meditation, it is just 'thinking'.

[XenoFish]

For the random reader.

[+Sherapy]

5 minutes ago, joc said:

I tend to agree with this.  Meditation is the opposite of action.

It is actually 'unfocused' thought, which allows our subconscious free rein within the reality of the conscious mind.  Focused thought is not meditation, it is just 'thinking'.

Focused thought is an element of meditation the purpose it serves is to calm the mind. Of course, one can certainly leave it at this point. In my line of work we use breathing as a staple as a way to focus and calm the mind down it works for anyone including those with cognitive impairments. 

[+joc]

54 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Sound like a recipe for tendon rupture.

Stretching brings ones muscles and tendons to their maximum limit of extension.  'Bouncing' actually takes those muscles and tendons beyond their maximum. The other side of their maximum is where injuries happen.  

Never attempt to stretch cold muscles (muscles that haven't been warmed up by exercise) and never bounce while stretching. It is a recipe for disaster.

[+joc]

6 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Focused thought is an element of meditation the purpose it serves is to calm the mind. Of course, one can certainly leave it at this point. In my line of work we use breathing as a staple as a way to focus and calm the mind down it works for anyone including those with cognitive impairments. 

Yes!  Excellent point of focused meditation. Focused breathing is incredibly important in action.  Probably the most overlooked and most important aspects of focused action.  Especially martial arts.  Don't forget to breath! 

[Piney]

43 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Less screw ups. 

Keeping your limbs and digits attached is a good reason for my "full focus". 

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

Keeping your limbs and digits attached is a good reason for my "full focus". 

Screw ups cost me both time and money.

[Piney]

11 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Screw ups cost me both time and money.

That too. 

[+Desertrat56]

20 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I use both Korean Buddhist meditation techniques combined with transcendental meditation. I started using the Transcendental meditation technique in the 1970s and I began to add Buddhist meditation techniques approximately 20 years ago.

What meditation technique do you use??

I use a visualizatioin meditation.   I started by listening to tapes from different people, my favorite was Dick Sutphen.   But I don't need the tapes now.  For me it is the relaxation of the body and moviing my mind out of my monkey merry go round of worries and emotional turmoil.   Actually, monkeys probably don't need to meditate so it is my human merry go round of worries and emotional turmoil that I move out of.

Edited July 23 by Desertrat56

[+Desertrat56]

16 hours ago, Piney said:

I think if it's applied with a positive activity it's not. I don't meditate per se but go into my "zone" with my swords or woodwork.  

I do that too when I do the dishes or some other rote task.   I never thought of it as meditation.   

[+Sherapy]

50 minutes ago, joc said:

Yes!  Excellent point of focused meditation. Focused breathing is incredibly important in action.  Probably the most overlooked and most important aspects of focused action.  Especially martial arts.  Don't forget to breath! 

Exactly, it is used on those with combative behavior due to some forms of dementia. It is truly a useful tool to redirect ones focus. Well said, joc.

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I use a visualizatioin meditation.   I started by listening to tapes from different people, my favorite was Dick Sutphen.   But I don't need the tapes now.  For me it is the relaxation of the body and moviing my mind out of my monkey merry go round of worries and emotional turmoil.   Actually, monkeys probably don't need to meditate so it is my human merry go round of worries and emotional turmoil that I move out of.

That's cool, I am not familiar with that type of meditation, however whatever works for you is all that matters. 

It good to hear from you hope you and yours are well.

Edited July 23 by Grim Reaper 6