One in six Tory voters likely to die before the next election (Times)

[pellinore]

One in six Conservative voters are likely to die before the next election, according to analysis that highlights the party’s challenge in appealing to younger people as it prepares to choose a new leader.

Labour’s much younger voter base means that only 1 in 19 people who voted for the party this month are likely to die before getting a chance to vote in 2029, in a demographic swing that could add dozens of seats to Sir Keir Starmer’s majority.

More than a million Tory votes are likely to be lost by 2029 purely as a result of demography, while Labour will add nearly 300,000 as younger people, who are more likely to back the party, become eligible to vote.

One in six Tory voters likely to die before the next election (archive.ph)

Edited July 23 by pellinore

[OpenMindedSceptic]

30 minutes ago, pellinore said:

One in six Conservative voters are likely to die before the next election, according to analysis that highlights the party’s challenge in appealing to younger people as it prepares to choose a new leader.

Labour’s much younger voter base means that only 1 in 19 people who voted for the party this month are likely to die before getting a chance to vote in 2029, in a demographic swing that could add dozens of seats to Sir Keir Starmer’s majority.

More than a million Tory votes are likely to be lost by 2029 purely as a result of demography, while Labour will add nearly 300,000 as younger people, who are more likely to back the party, become eligible to vote.

One in six Tory voters likely to die before the next election (archive.ph)

Oh dear, where to start with this utter nonsense. 

Many students are Labour voters and then, once they grow up, become Tory voters.

1 in 6 may die but the way Labour flame and bumble, they'll be replaced by 1.5 or 2 in 6 most likely.

You have assumed its the same people in a closed system, it absolutely isn't, what a mistaka to maka.  Labour logic!! 

[itsnotoutthere]

Um... what exactly is the point of this thread? 

[pellinore]

12 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

You have assumed its the same people in a closed system, it absolutely isn't, what a mistaka to maka.  Labour logic!! 

The figures (and this article) are produced by the Times (a right-wing paper) on behalf of the Tory Party (a right-wing Party).

Between 2019 and this year about one in ten of those who voted for Boris Johnson had died, and analysis by The Times using Office for National Statistics population estimates shows that the trend is likely to accelerate over the course of this parliament.

[pellinore]

3 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Um... what exactly is the point of this thread? 

The Times thought it important to inform the public that the Conservative Party has a bigger battle to get back into power than might be supposed. Some find it interesting- I do. The longer Labour stay in power, the more Tory damage they can undo.

[Destination Unknown]

45 minutes ago, pellinore said:

One in six Conservative voters are likely to die before the next election, according to analysis that highlights the party’s challenge in appealing to younger people as it prepares to choose a new leader.

Labour’s much younger voter base means that only 1 in 19 people who voted for the party this month are likely to die before getting a chance to vote in 2029, in a demographic swing that could add dozens of seats to Sir Keir Starmer’s majority.

More than a million Tory votes are likely to be lost by 2029 purely as a result of demography, while Labour will add nearly 300,000 as younger people, who are more likely to back the party, become eligible to vote.

One in six Tory voters likely to die before the next election (archive.ph)

So voters of other Parties are immortal then? 🤷

[pellinore]

2 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

So voters of other Parties are immortal then? 🤷

You may have inadvertently stumbled upon the power of reading, especially relevant sources. The answer to your question is sneakily hidden in the article.

[Destination Unknown]

38 minutes ago, pellinore said:

You may have inadvertently stumbled upon the power of reading, especially relevant sources. The answer to your question is sneakily hidden in the article.

See that's just it pellinore, I really don't get the point of this article, or why you even bothered to post it, other than you're obviously showing your own vile hatred towards those that have a different opinion to you. Which to be honest doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

In the 2015 General Election, the gap between old voters and young voters was massive. According to Ipsos Mori just 43% of 18-24-year-olds went to the polls, compared with 78% of people aged 65 or over - "The old aren't voting more now - but the young are voting far less."

Your problem is not so much that older voters tend to vote Conservative, your problem is that older voters actually bother to vote in the first place, whilst the younger age groups generally just don't bother voting at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39965925.amp

[pellinore]

16 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

I really don't get the point of this article, or why you even bothered to post it,

So you didn't read it either. I don't blame you; it is just another right-wing rag.

To save you time: the point of the article is that... oh, never mind.

[Destination Unknown]

17 minutes ago, pellinore said:

So you didn't read it either. I don't blame you; it is just another right-wing rag.

To save you time: the point of the article is that... oh, never mind.

I didn't read it pellinore because it's obviously a load of gaslighting bias cr*p, which is obviously why you posted it. And let's face it, you can't have a go at me for not bothering to read it given the amount of gaslighting bias cr*p you've posted in the past that you obviously don't bother to read either.

Edited July 23 by Destination Unknown

[Setton]

2 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

I didn't read it pellinore because it's obviously a load of gaslighting bias cr*p

I'm curious. What about the OP is "gaslighting"?

Do you believe older people are not more likely to die in the next five years than younger people?

Or do you believe older people are not more likely to vote conservative than younger people?

[Destination Unknown]

24 minutes ago, Setton said:

I'm curious. What about the OP is "gaslighting"?

It's gaslighting because it's clearly trying to make out that it's mainly Tory voters that are going to die in the next five years, without anything to back up that claim.

24 minutes ago, Setton said:

Do you believe older people are not more likely to die in the next five years than younger people?

Of course older people are more likely to die in the next five years than younger people. What a stupid question. Do you believe younger people are more likely to die due to gang related knife crimes, drug overdoses, or falling off balconies in Spain in the next five years than older people?

24 minutes ago, Setton said:

Or do you believe older people are not more likely to vote conservative than younger people?

As I've already explained in post #8 above, older people are more likely to vote anyway, whereas younger people generally just don't bother, so the "problem" isn't that older people vote Conservative, it's that that they actually go out and vote in the first place, and for that, it looks like both you and pellinore obviously quite clearly hope they are dead in five years time.

Do you wish your parents were dead just so that they couldn't vote?

Edited July 23 by Destination Unknown

[Setton]

6 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

It's gaslighting because it's clearly trying to make out that it's mainly Tory voters that are going to die in the next five years, without anything to back up that claim.

That's not what it says at all and it does back up its claims.

Lack of reading comprehension.

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Of course older people are more likely to die in the next five years than younger people. What a stupid question. Do you believe younger people are more likely to die of drug overdoses or falling off balconies in Spain in the next five years than older people?

Oh I don't deny that. It's incredibly, unbelievably stupid. Which is why I had to question you on it.

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As I've already explained in post #8 above, older people are more likely to vote anyway, whereas younger people generally just don't bother, so the "problem" isn't that older people vote Conservative, it's that that they actually go out and vote in the first place, and for that, it looks like both you and pellinore obviously quite clearly hope they are dead in five years time.

I've expressed no opinion, positive or negative on the OP. And the OP is specifically about voters so the proportion that vote isn't relevant.

Again, lacking reading comprehension.

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Do you wish your parents were dead just so that they couldn't vote?

Again, no opinion offered, just challenging your lack of reading comprehension.

(My parents also didn't vote Tory)

So, let's recap the key points from the OP:

1. Older voters are more likely to vote conservative. 

2. Older people are more likely to die in the next five years than younger people.

3. Therefore more conservative voters are likely to die in the next five years than Labour voters.

Which of those three things is not true, to justify your "gaslighting" claim?

[Destination Unknown]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

That's not what it says at all and it does back up its claims.

Lack of reading comprehension.

Oh I don't deny that. It's incredibly, unbelievably stupid. Which is why I had to question you on it.

I've expressed no opinion, positive or negative on the OP. And the OP is specifically about voters so the proportion that vote isn't relevant.

Again, lacking reading comprehension.

Again, no opinion offered, just challenging your lack of reading comprehension.

(My parents also didn't vote Tory)

So, let's recap the key points from the OP:

1. Older voters are more likely to vote conservative. 

2. Older people are more likely to die in the next five years than younger people.

3. Therefore more conservative voters are likely to die in the next five years than Labour voters.

Which of those three things is not true, to justify your "gaslighting" claim?

Get it into your seething hate-filled head Setton, it's gaslighting because it's trying to make out that within a few generations there will be no Tory voters left, because they will have all died out, they're not factoring in anything else into their equations, such as those that die being replaced by those in the next age bracket below them replacing them as the next Tory voters.

Wish Tory voters dead as much as you like you sick freak, (and obviously you do, because you're the true face of the so-called "tolerant" left), but there will always be another batch of newer Tory voters that will replace them when they finally figure out how screwed they are under Labour... people such as your parents.

Edited July 23 by Destination Unknown

[Setton]

35 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Get it into your seething hate-filled head Setton, it's gaslighting because it's trying to make out that within a few generations there will be no Tory voters left, because they will have all died out,

Again, that's not remotely what the OP suggests.

The only issue here is your reading comprehension.

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they're not factoring in anything else into their equations, such as those that die being replaced by those in the next age bracket below them replacing them as the next Tory voters.

I completely agree it's flawed logic. But it's not gaslighting and you've completely failed to address any of my points.

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Wish Tory voters dead as much as you like you sick freak, (and obviously you do, because you're the true face of the so-called "tolerant" left), but there will always be another batch of newer Tory voters that will replace them when they finally figure out how screwed they are under Labour... people such as your parents.

Still not expressing an opinion either way on the facts set out in the OP. Just pulling up your failure to comprehend it.

And is this the kind of "screwed" where the government delivers more than they promised and the right gets outraged about it again?

[Destination Unknown]

14 minutes ago, Setton said:

And is this the kind of "screwed" where the government delivers more than they promised and the right gets outraged about it again?

Since when has a government ever delivered what they promised, let alone delivered more than they promised?

Edited July 23 by Destination Unknown

[Setton]

7 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Since when has a government ever delivered what they promised, let alone delivered more than they promised?

Obviously struggling with the reading comprehension in the other thread too.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

8 hours ago, pellinore said:

The figures (and this article) are produced by the Times (a right-wing paper) on behalf of the Tory Party (a right-wing Party).

Between 2019 and this year about one in ten of those who voted for Boris Johnson had died, and analysis by The Times using Office for National Statistics population estimates shows that the trend is likely to accelerate over the course of this parliament.

I care not who prints it. You read it and didn't think it through. Labour logic.

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, Destination Unknown said:

Get it into your seething hate-filled head Setton, it's gaslighting because it's trying to make out that within a few generations there will be no Tory voters left, because they will have all died out, they're not factoring in anything else into their equations, such as those that die being replaced by those in the next age bracket below them replacing them as the next Tory voters.

Wish Tory voters dead as much as you like you sick freak, (and obviously you do, because you're the true face of the so-called "tolerant" left), but there will always be another batch of newer Tory voters that will replace them when they finally figure out how screwed they are under Labour... people such as your parents.

I don't see anybody wishing people dead anywhere, they are just expressing the sad fact that old people die...of old age.

And 'such as those that die being replaced by those in the next age bracket below them replacing them as the next Tory voters,' there has been discussion elsewhere that since the Tories have broken the "social contract" (as people get older, traditionally they buy houses, become wealthy and more reactionary) they will not be a contented older generation, they will be angry dispossessed renters.

 

[itsnotoutthere]

Does it really matter, judging by the last 10 years or so it would appear we don't have left or right anymore, these days it's more patriots & globalists.

[Setton]

5 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Does it really matter, judging by the last 10 years or so it would appear we don't have left or right anymore, these days it's more patriots & globalists.

More like patriots and populists but otherwise true.