Ursula von der Leyen and Keir Starmer plan meeting to drive UK-EU ‘reset’

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

Wait so she's going to improve the economy as well as the environment??

 

55 minutes ago, Setton said:

Sure it isn't. Classic right wing response at the moment, complain that someone delivers more than expected 😆

Try telling that to former Tata Steel workers in Port Talbot who are now out of work because of Tata Steels intentions to concentrate on net zero targets.

Ironically, the former Welsh Government's 'Minister for Economy' (and former First Minister) Vaughan Gething, confirmed the Welsh Government's steadfast commitment to Net Zero targets when he announced the creation of 'Net Zero Industry Wales' during a visit to TATA Steel in Port Talbot in March 2022. Ooops. 🤦

The real truth is, you can have "Net Zero", or you can have domestic heavy industry and jobs, but you can't have both.

Net Zero. The gift that keeps on giving.!!

https://www.gov.wales/net-zero-industry-wales-established-support-decarbonisation-welsh-industry

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[Setton]

1 hour ago, Destination Unknown said:

 

Try telling that to former Tata Steel workers in Port Talbot who are now out of work because of Tata Steels intentions to concentrate on net zero targets.

Ironically, the former Welsh Government's 'Minister for Economy' (and former First Minister) Vaughan Gething, confirmed the Welsh Government's steadfast commitment to Net Zero targets when he announced the creation of 'Net Zero Industry Wales' during a visit to TATA Steel in Port Talbot in March 2022. Ooops. 🤦

The real truth is, you can have "Net Zero", or you can have domestic heavy industry and jobs, but you can't have both.

Net Zero. The gift that keeps on giving.!!

https://www.gov.wales/net-zero-industry-wales-established-support-decarbonisation-welsh-industry

So you're saying the EU will do it where Brexit Britain couldn't?

[Destination Unknown]

36 minutes ago, Setton said:

So you're saying the EU will do it where Brexit Britain couldn't?

That's not what I'm saying at all Setton, as you well know.

I'm saying it's a fool's errand, you cannot improve the economy as well as the environment, there has to be a trade off, but the EU will no doubt barrel ahead regardless of the consequences, and heavy industry, the very engine of the EU, will suffer in exactly the same way as Port Talbot did.

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[Setton]

18 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

That's not what I'm saying at all Setton, as you well know.

I'm saying it's a fool's errand, you cannot improve the economy as well as the environment, there has to be a trade off, but the EU will no doubt barrel ahead regardless of the consequences, and heavy industry, the very engine of the EU, will suffer in exactly the same way as Port Talbot did.

Ah, and you speak from your deep expertise on both subjects of course?

[Destination Unknown]

54 minutes ago, Setton said:

Ah, and you speak from your deep expertise on both subjects of course?

No Setton, I speak from the blindingly obvious.

We've already seen Dutch farmers protesting against their Government's plans to buy up and close down some 3,000 farms in order to comply with the EU's rules on reducing nitrogen emissions, so from your no doubt deep expertise on both subjects, can you explain how shutting down 3,000 farms is somehow going to improve the economy?

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/11/dutch-farmers-protest-government-farm-closures-regional-elections/

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[+and-then]

The global Left is going to destroy civilization in order to "save the planet".  Lovely, eh?

[pellinore]

2 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

No Setton, I speak from the blindingly obvious.

We've already seen Dutch farmers protesting against their Government's plans to buy up and close down some 3,000 farms in order to comply with the EU's rules on reducing nitrogen emissions, so from your no doubt deep expertise on both subjects, can you explain how shutting down 3,000 farms is somehow going to improve the economy?

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/11/dutch-farmers-protest-government-farm-closures-regional-elections/

Kent and Surrey losing out because it is no longer viable for Eurostar to service them as UK/EU traffic has dropped off and new checks make unsustainable delays. Try telling these people leaving the SM was a good idea.

Despite it being 9am on a Friday morning, Ashford International Station is remarkably quiet. The escalators are switched off, the toilets are closed. The bureau de change looks permanently shuttered and the car park has hundreds of spaces. You may be able to get a £4.50 croque monsieur at the empty station cafe, but that’s as close as you’ll get to Paris. The Eurostar hasn’t stopped here since 2020 and many people in Kent aren’t happy about it. “It’s frustrating to say the least,” says Tudor Price, chief executive of Kent Invicta Chamber of Commerce. “The Eurostar was one of the major investment pulls for Kent and we had businesses set up here for that reason. We carved up huge swathes of the Kent countryside for HS1. We have hotels built in this part of town based on that connectivity. We feel very let down, like the arrangement has been reneged on.”

‘Stuff the Continent’: The Kent towns abandoned by Eurostar (msn.com)

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[pellinore]

4 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

 

Try telling that to former Tata Steel workers in Port Talbot who are now out of work because of Tata Steels intentions to concentrate on net zero targets.

Ironically, the former Welsh Government's 'Minister for Economy' (and former First Minister) Vaughan Gething, confirmed the Welsh Government's steadfast commitment to Net Zero targets when he announced the creation of 'Net Zero Industry Wales' during a visit to TATA Steel in Port Talbot in March 2022. Ooops. 🤦

The real truth is, you can have "Net Zero", or you can have domestic heavy industry and jobs, but you can't have both.

Net Zero. The gift that keeps on giving.!!

https://www.gov.wales/net-zero-industry-wales-established-support-decarbonisation-welsh-industry

Tata steel is closing in Wales due to Brexit, not Net Zero, as everyone knows. You too, but it doesn't suit your agenda to admit it. Tata is continuing to expand in the EU: the Netherlands, Germany and other parts of Europe. The UK is the only European country to close its borders to expansion and investment.

 

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[Setton]

2 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

so from your no doubt deep expertise on both subjects, can you explain how shutting down 3,000 farms is somehow going to improve the economy?

No, I only have expertise on the environmental side, which is still one more than you.

Edited July 25 by Setton

[pellinore]

On 7/24/2024 at 2:04 PM, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Utterly disgraceful. The EU are essentially condoning modern day slavery Africa and Starmer cosying up for another sip of champagne.

Starmer and Labour have failed the UK in less than 3 weeks, keep dithering and lack compassion but selling out the UK democratic process is a new low never seen since spies were  unmasked.

You really think people voted for Brexit because they were concerned about modern-day slavery in Africa? Do you think there will be a campaign now in the UK because voters are so angry Starmer isn't addressing slavery problems in Africa? If you think that is a priority for UK voters, you are a little bit out of touch.

[pellinore]

2 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

No Setton, I speak from the blindingly obvious.

We've already seen Dutch farmers protesting against their Government's plans to buy up and close down some 3,000 farms in order to comply with the EU's rules on reducing nitrogen emissions, so from your no doubt deep expertise on both subjects, can you explain how shutting down 3,000 farms is somehow going to improve the economy?

https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/11/dutch-farmers-protest-government-farm-closures-regional-elections/

Nothing is as simple as is made out in the popular press. While we all like the idea of small cottage industries and family farms, history has shown us that big corporations buy out smaller ones and then can apply economies of scale.

The US and Australia have huge factory farms, unethical but making money and boosting their national economy.

I know the Brexiters wax nostalgic about country cottages, farm labourers enjoying their clay pipe while leaning in a dry-stone wall, and milkmaids knowing their herd of 20 cows each by name, but that is a little bit outdated.

That's the country we all 'want back', as that old biddy famously cried out about on Question Time: the 1950s. But unfortunately, it has gone because the world has moved on.

And trying to cling to it will make the UK poorer, increase immigration to make up for lost productivity, and make the UK a backwater on the world stage.

Thank God we got Starmer just when he was needed!

 

[Destination Unknown]

32 minutes ago, Setton said:

No, I only have expertise on the environmental side, which is still one more than you.

But yet you've already made the assumption in post #22 that Ursula von der Leyen is going to improve the economy as well as the environment, even though you're claiming that you only have expertise on the environmental side. Strange.

So go on then, with your so-called "environmental expertise", how will shutting down 3,000 farms somehow improve the economy?

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/environment/air-and-water/dutch-farmers-protest-against-government-emissions-target

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[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

Kent and Surrey losing out because it is no longer viable for Eurostar to service them as UK/EU traffic has dropped off and new checks make unsustainable delays. Try telling these people leaving the SM was a good idea.

Despite it being 9am on a Friday morning, Ashford International Station is remarkably quiet. The escalators are switched off, the toilets are closed. The bureau de change looks permanently shuttered and the car park has hundreds of spaces. You may be able to get a £4.50 croque monsieur at the empty station cafe, but that’s as close as you’ll get to Paris. The Eurostar hasn’t stopped here since 2020 and many people in Kent aren’t happy about it. “It’s frustrating to say the least,” says Tudor Price, chief executive of Kent Invicta Chamber of Commerce. “The Eurostar was one of the major investment pulls for Kent and we had businesses set up here for that reason. We carved up huge swathes of the Kent countryside for HS1. We have hotels built in this part of town based on that connectivity. We feel very let down, like the arrangement has been reneged on.”

‘Stuff the Continent’: The Kent towns abandoned by Eurostar (msn.com)

Blimey pellinore, you've been busy. I can see yet another long night ahead ripping every single one of your lies to shreds. When will you ever learn?

Here's the real reason Eurostar suspended and have not reopened their routes through Kent: It's because they are on their backside financially due to travel restrictions brought about because of Covid, with the rail operator saying that it was, quote: "fighting for survival", with services scaled back dramatically amid the pandemic. (See link below).

But let's just blame it all on Brexit instead eh pellinore, the convenient scapegoat for all things negative.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-58583457

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[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

Tata steel is closing in Wales due to Brexit, not Net Zero, as everyone knows. You too, but it doesn't suit your agenda to admit it. Tata is continuing to expand in the EU: the Netherlands, Germany and other parts of Europe. The UK is the only European country to close its borders to expansion and investment.

 

Wow, so the former First Minister of Wales is blaming Brexit in order to deflect attention away from the real reason for the Tata Steel closure.... the Welsh Labour Government's net zero targets. Well who'd have thought. 🤦

Here's the actual press release from the Tata Steel website regarding the Port Talbot closure, dated January 19, 2024, and no mention of Brexit anywhere in that press release, but plenty mention of reducing CO2 emissions. (See link below).

T V Narendran, Tata Steel’s Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, said, quote: "Our ambitious plan includes the largest capital expenditure in UK steel production in more than a decade, guaranteeing long-term, high-quality steel production in the UK and transforming the Port Talbot facility into one of Europe’s premier centres for *green* steelmaking."

The transition mirrors the successful installation of such low-carbon production facilities in other major steel producing markets such as the United States, where it has cut emissions whilst guaranteeing production of complex, high quality steel. On completion, the programme would transform the competitiveness of Tata Steel UK, secure most of its capability in terms of end products, whilst cutting its carbon emissions by about 85% and the UK’s overall carbon emissions by about 1.5%.

Strange how the former First Minister of Wales somehow "forgot" to mention that rather inconvenient nugget of information eh pellinore? 🤔

https://www.tatasteel.com/media/newsroom/press-releases/india/2024/tata-steel-announces-next-steps-towards-its-ambitious-transformation-from-blast-furnaces-to-green-steelmaking-in-the-uk-and-initiates-statutory-consultation/

Meanwhile: "Tata Steel confirms 1,200 job losses as industry crisis deepens. Scotland and Scunthorpe bear brunt of job losses, leaving one in six workers facing axe in one month." Must be Brexit.

Oh wait, this was in October 2015, whilst we were still in the EU. 🤦

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/20/tata-steel-expected-to-announce-1200-job-losses-in-uk

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[pellinore]

12 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Blimey pellinore, you've been busy. I can see yet another long night ahead ripping every single one of your lies to shreds. When will you ever learn?

Here's the real reason Eurostar suspended and haven't reopened their routes through Kent: It's because they are on their backside financially due to travel restrictions brought about because of Covid, with the rail operator saying that it was, quote: "fighting for survival", with services scaled back dramatically amid the pandemic. (See link below).

But let's just blame it all on Brexit instead eh pellinore, the convenient scapegoat for all things negative.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-58583457

Oh, Covid. And the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Thanks for reminding us. It is so easy to forget that the UK was the only country in the world to be so badly affected by these events. 

Edited July 25 by pellinore

[Destination Unknown]

1 minute ago, pellinore said:

Oh, Covid. And the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Thanks for reminding us. It is so easy to forget that the UK was the only country in the world to be so badly affected by these events. 

I never said the UK was the only country in the world to be so badly affected by these events did I pellinore?

It's Eurostar that is saying that it was badly affected by travel restrictions brought about by the pandemic, not me.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-58583457

[Destination Unknown]

54 minutes ago, pellinore said:

I know the Brexiters wax nostalgic about country cottages, farm labourers enjoying their clay pipe while leaning in a dry-stone wall, and milkmaids knowing their herd of 20 cows each by name, but that is a little bit outdated.

We don't think like that at all pellinore, and your arrogant assumptions that we do is the very reason why Remain lost in the first place.

56 minutes ago, pellinore said:

That's the country we all 'want back', as that old biddy famously cried out about on Question Time: the 1950s. But unfortunately, it has gone because the world has moved on.

Says someone who obviously hasn't moved on from a vote that took place nearly a decade ago. A vote to Leave a European political union that had its foundations built... in the 1950s. And you can't see the irony.!!