Coil Posted August 12 #51 Share Posted August 12 According to the news, Harris is gradually gaining votes. She does not have the same shortcomings as Trump. It seems to me that Trump looks like an old stupid lamb who has a lot of ambitions but who does not understand foreign policy at all. Who thinks that he will tell Putin and Zelensky not to fight and the war will magically end and peace will come. This simplified model of Trump's thinking is designed for a narrow-minded listener who believes that Trump will sort everything out. Biden correctly said that Trump is a threat to America's security. This is true, because it is hard to imagine a worse fool as president. The American presidential election now is a choice between sanity and madness, but it is now that the fate of America and the world is being decided. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 14 #52 Share Posted August 14 (edited) Drubs? Drumsd . .Drubbed ? Another campaign AD for donoold. ( if he insists on mis- pronouncing everyone’s name ) GO trump!*~ & keep goin. Oop, sorry, I removed the video because George Carlin was using obscene language. Too bad though, it was very revealing .. not only did many of trump’s statements not make any sense…he was often having great difficulty pronouncing words.! Edited August 14 by lightly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted August 14 #53 Share Posted August 14 Well good news, payback is in sight. In exchange for all of those supposed rapists and criminals tying to get into the US, Trump has said he and Elon could go to Venezuela if he loses. Maybe he and Maduro could talk about election strategy. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 14 Author #54 Share Posted August 14 Originally I predicted Harris to win the next election. The reason Biden won the last one I feel was out of a sense of urgency from the democratic side which really rallied people that tend not to vote because they have lives (younger people). This time I think the press is creating a feel good vibe about Kamala's chances and the urgency will mainly be on the maga side. At this point I am no longer convinced Harris will be victorious. The more the press makes it seem like it's in the bag, which I feel is happening, the better trumps chances. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 14 #55 Share Posted August 14 (edited) After Harris announced her bid…I immediately saw a tremendous amount of excitement …on a lot of Media! And shock&awe on Fox News Excitement is contagious these days… example: Taylor Swift. I LOVE her!* . . Everyone does!*. Edited August 14 by lightly 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted August 14 #56 Share Posted August 14 4 minutes ago, OverSword said: Originally I predicted Harris to win the next election. The reason Biden won the last one I feel was out of a sense of urgency from the democratic side which really rallied people that tend not to vote because they have lives (younger people). This time I think the press is creating a feel good vibe about Kamala's chances and the urgency will mainly be on the maga side. At this point I am no longer convinced Harris will be victorious. The more the press makes it seem like it's in the bag, which I feel is happening, the better trumps chances. To some degree I think that is true. However, both Arizona and Missouri will have women's health care on the ballot. Arizona just got 550k signatures on their petition to put it on the ballot. Come November , even if Trump says this issue is dying down, it will bring out a whole lot of voters. That will likely be good for Kamala and Democrats down ballot and bad for MAGA supporters. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 14 #57 Share Posted August 14 (edited) I love it when The People speak directly by Petition ..to get things On the Ballot! We need a LOT more direct (& proper) involvement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiatives_and_referendums_in_the_United_States Edited August 14 by lightly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 14 Author #58 Share Posted August 14 20 minutes ago, lightly said: Taylor Swift. I LOVE her!* . . Everyone does!*. If it weren't for her the NFL would dry up and blow away 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 14 #59 Share Posted August 14 4 hours ago, OverSword said: If it weren't for her the NFL would dry up and blow away I still say her endorsement will, propel her base to, decide the election . 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 14 #60 Share Posted August 14 Ok, here’s a good example of Trump’s mind at work…. . . . . 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 14 #61 Share Posted August 14 On 8/12/2024 at 4:46 PM, Coil said: According to the news, Harris is gradually gaining votes. She does not have the same shortcomings as Trump. It seems to me that Trump looks like an old stupid lamb who has a lot of ambitions but who does not understand foreign policy at all. Who thinks that he will tell Putin and Zelensky not to fight and the war will magically end and peace will come. This simplified model of Trump's thinking is designed for a narrow-minded listener who believes that Trump will sort everything out. Biden correctly said that Trump is a threat to America's security. This is true, because it is hard to imagine a worse fool as president. The American presidential election now is a choice between sanity and madness, but it is now that the fate of America and the world is being decided. Replace "lamb" with... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 14 #62 Share Posted August 14 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: To some degree I think that is true. However, both Arizona and Missouri will have women's health care on the ballot. Arizona just got 550k signatures on their petition to put it on the ballot. Come November , even if Trump says this issue is dying down, it will bring out a whole lot of voters. That will likely be good for Kamala and Democrats down ballot and bad for MAGA supporters. Press msm is good if i agree bad if i dont agree? Like i say i dont pay attention to msm, i know some do even some who claim they dont or call it evil still are obsessed with msm, but its like polls are, flawed by its very nature. Thing is if Akbar and Jeff just ate double decker garlic limburger cheese and onion sandwiches , while drinking espresso and puffing cheap cigars and Akbar asks Jeff for a kiss and Jeff says no, your breath stinks and Akbar gets cross and replies well your breath stills too, it doesnt suddenly give Akbar plesant breath. Is that too obscure? If i gave an obese rodents rectum about what msm says then Clinton couldnt loose 2016 and convicted felon man had 2020 in the bag, press will say what get them attention they dont care what kind or who its from or if its good or bad or who it or supports or disses. I still more than ever see harris winning and my ocd bases that on many things but the press isnt one of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 15 #63 Share Posted August 15 (edited) Its looking more and more like a Harris win in the polls. As long as she doesnt do anything too stupid. And as long as she doesn't presume she's already won, like Hillary did. I think Hillary lost in big part due to her believing her own propoganda that she'd already won. Edited August 15 by DieChecker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 15 #64 Share Posted August 15 Saw this regarding the above mentioned Cook Poll showing Harris ahead in most swing states. https://www.cookpolitical.com/survey-research/2024-swing-state-project/fight-redefine-2024-race-president Looking at the data. Harris is more ahead when the 3rd party people are included. With a 1 to 1 poll, the margins are about half as much. +4 turns into +2. +2 turns into +1. Its interesting. Maybe due to 3rd party drawing more from Trump than previous to his felonies, and near assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted August 15 #65 Share Posted August 15 8 hours ago, Tatetopa said: To some degree I think that is true. However, both Arizona and Missouri will have women's health care on the ballot. Arizona just got 550k signatures on their petition to put it on the ballot. Come November , even if Trump says this issue is dying down, it will bring out a whole lot of voters. That will likely be good for Kamala and Democrats down ballot and bad for MAGA supporters. So, it seems they've figured out it's up to each state now. I was wondering when the light was going to come on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted August 15 #66 Share Posted August 15 14 minutes ago, Michelle said: So, it seems they've figured out it's up to each state now. I was wondering when the light was going to come on. You can argue whether it is a right for women to control their bodies, but why should something dealing with the rights of American citizens be up to states? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted August 15 #67 Share Posted August 15 5 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: You can argue whether it is a right for women to control their bodies, but why should something dealing with the rights of American citizens be up to states? Women have always been in control of their bodies. But now, some of them, want to be in control of yours too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted August 15 #68 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: You can argue whether it is a right for women to control their bodies, but why should something dealing with the rights of American citizens be up to states? Countries make their own laws on whether abortions are illegal or not. I know abortions were illegal in Ireland and Australia until fairly recently. Democrats rally cry has been Trump was going to make abortions illegal. Your own post even reflected that. How is anything about abortion going to hurt Trump? I can only assume people aren't bright enough to know it was left to each state to decide. If I misunderstood maybe you can clarify for me on how it reflects on Trump. Which one is elected has no bearing on it. Edited August 15 by Michelle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted August 15 #69 Share Posted August 15 24 minutes ago, DieChecker said: Saw this regarding the above mentioned Cook Poll showing Harris ahead in most swing states. https://www.cookpolitical.com/survey-research/2024-swing-state-project/fight-redefine-2024-race-president Looking at the data. Harris is more ahead when the 3rd party people are included. With a 1 to 1 poll, the margins are about half as much. +4 turns into +2. +2 turns into +1. Its interesting. Maybe due to 3rd party drawing more from Trump than previous to his felonies, and near assassination. The polling there is a bit questionable. In the data they provide on their poll they don't mention margin of error but they do give how many people were pulled from each battleground state, 403 to 435 but only two states have over 410 polled. The margin of error on these polls would be approximately ±5 points for each battleground state, which is pretty significant. All that can really be said for right now from nearly all of the polls is that Trump and Kamala are essentially statistically tied in every battleground state. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted August 15 #70 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Michelle said: How is anything about abortion going to hurt Trump? I can only assume people aren't bright enough to know it was left to each state to decide. People in a number of states now have already voted for or will soon vote for protection of Women's choice. In swing states like Arizona, where these citizen's petitions will be voted on in the general election, it will likely bring out a strong contingent of voters who signed these petitions.. People who feel strongly about this will likely vote for a candidate that supports this point of view, and down ballot candidates as well. People who strongly support this position know that Trump has bragged about getting rid of Roe. Those people may not be inclined to vote for Trump. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 15 #71 Share Posted August 15 3 hours ago, DarkHunter said: The polling there is a bit questionable. In the data they provide on their poll they don't mention margin of error but they do give how many people were pulled from each battleground state, 403 to 435 but only two states have over 410 polled. The margin of error on these polls would be approximately ±5 points for each battleground state, which is pretty significant. All that can really be said for right now from nearly all of the polls is that Trump and Kamala are essentially statistically tied in every battleground state. I believe one of the articles referencing it said +/- 4.5%. Which is a bit bigger than we usually see. Usually we see +/- 3%, or 2.5%. Its only really a "big deal" because it shows Harris winning. A couple of months ago, the same people in media, crowing right now, were saying polls are of limited use, and cant be trusted. So take from that what you will. Last week on Real Clear, there was polls showing Harris up +4 in some states. But... There were other polls, on the same day, that said Trump +3. Guess which ones are making the news? The TRUTH depends on who is telling you what is true. Every fact from two different people can be 100% true, and yet the two people are 180 degrees apart in their politics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 15 #72 Share Posted August 15 2 hours ago, Tatetopa said: In swing states like Arizona, where these citizen's petitions will be voted on in the general election, it will likely bring out a strong contingent of voters who signed these petitions.. Maybe. But i looked and found it takes 10% of voters to bring up an initiative in Arizona. So with a population of around 7.5 million, that would likely be around 500,000. Which is sizable. But likely would already be within the roughly 3 million who already always vote Democrat. People are pretty much already entrenched on Abortion. But, it just might bring up the turnout a few points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 15 #73 Share Posted August 15 4 hours ago, Michelle said: So, it seems they've figured out it's up to each state now. I was wondering when the light was going to come on. Trump has SAID it is up to each State, but Democrats KNOW what he REALLY means is he wants to control woman. Or, at least they hope that the fear of such will drive more woman to vote, and vote Democrat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted August 15 #74 Share Posted August 15 https://nypost.com/2024/08/15/us-news/florida-rep-anna-paulina-luna-addresses-resurfaced-maga-swimsuit-video/ A MAGA message I can really get behind 😆 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TashaMarie Posted August 15 #75 Share Posted August 15 If Trump wins, will he only be able to serve four years as he has already had a term as President, or would this count as a reset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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