Possible peace talks between Ukraine and Russia?

[Unusual Tournament]

With Western support dramatically dropping and Ukrainian units collapsing and now basically digging into defensive positions only, it seems Zelensky is reaching out looking for a fair peace deal. 
 

Will Putin accept OR continue forward in the hope that Kamala Harris loses to Trump and force Zelensky to better terms?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/russia-says-kyivs-statements-on-peace-talks-contradictory/article68454042.ece/amp/
 

https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/kremlin-signals-openness-to-negotiations-with-ukraine-amid-ongoing-war-2024-7-27-0/
 

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2024/07/is-there-a-peace-plan-for-ukraine

Edited July 27 by Unusual Tournament

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Honestly, how Vlad reacts (potentially both Vlads for that matter) will be a good indicator what the “behind the scenes word” is about the US election, if Vlad P holds out, he thinks/has been advised that the good money is on a Trump win and Russia will probably get to keep what it’s stolen so far. If Vlad P pushes for peace, it’s a good chance the reverse is true, and he thinks the support of Ukraine will continue. If Vlad Z starts to push for peace, he’s been told by someone Trump’s for the win and will not look kindly upon him.

[L.A.T.1961]

Putin must be really concerned about NATO taking in Ukraine as a member.

Putin mentions nuclear weapons on a regular basis to try and stop this but its not working.

Now it's a potential peace deal. Putin is on the run. 😉

[DarkHunter]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

With Western support dramatically dropping and Ukrainian units collapsing and now basically digging into defensive positions only, it seems Zelensky is reaching out looking for a fair peace deal. 
 

Will Putin accept OR continue forward in the hope that Kamala Harris loses to Trump and force Zelensky to better terms?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/russia-says-kyivs-statements-on-peace-talks-contradictory/article68454042.ece/amp/
 

https://caspiannews.com/news-detail/kremlin-signals-openness-to-negotiations-with-ukraine-amid-ongoing-war-2024-7-27-0/
 

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2024/07/is-there-a-peace-plan-for-ukraine

Got any source for your claim of Ukranian units collapsing or is it just more of your usual pro-Russian misinformation and propaganda garbage

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Honestly, how Vlad reacts (potentially both Vlads for that matter) will be a good indicator what the “behind the scenes word” is about the US election, if Vlad P holds out, he thinks/has been advised that the good money is on a Trump win and Russia will probably get to keep what it’s stolen so far. If Vlad P pushes for peace, it’s a good chance the reverse is true, and he thinks the support of Ukraine will continue. If Vlad Z starts to push for peace, he’s been told by someone Trump’s for the win and will not look kindly upon him.

I certainly agree, that is the driving force behind any negotiations! However, the rest of Europe had better not stand down because Putin obviously has his eyes set on much more than the Ukraine 🇺🇦.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Putin must be really concerned about NATO taking in Ukraine as a member.

Putin mentions nuclear weapons on a regular basis to try and stop this but its not working.

Now it's a potential peace deal. Putin is on the run. 😉

While it has already been mentioned everything hangs on the President Election in the United States. Putin will hold out until then, if his candidate is elected then Putin will get what he wants and the Ukraine will be cut up in pieces if not he will negotiate directly with Zelensky.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

Got any source for your claim of Ukranian units collapsing or is it just more of your usual pro-Russian misinformation and propaganda garbage

Your right … Ukraine is winning so they just decided to talk about peace and concede territory because the future is just so bright

 

Ukraine’s military chief warns of deteriorating situation on frontline

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/28/ukraine-pulls-back-from-three-villages-in-east-as-russia-claims-gains
 

Ukraine is at great risk of its front lines collapsing
 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/

[Unusual Tournament]

3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Honestly, how Vlad reacts (potentially both Vlads for that matter) will be a good indicator what the “behind the scenes word” is about the US election, if Vlad P holds out, he thinks/has been advised that the good money is on a Trump win and Russia will probably get to keep what it’s stolen so far. If Vlad P pushes for peace, it’s a good chance the reverse is true, and he thinks the support of Ukraine will continue. If Vlad Z starts to push for peace, he’s been told by someone Trump’s for the win and will not look kindly upon him.

Under the current American and European leadership, I think Putin has achieved all he can, militarily.
 

Will Kamala be as supportive of Ukraine? I doubt it. But she will not pull the plug, either. But Trump will.

So Putin has everything to gain with a cease fire and talks until the situation becomes clear and Zelensky needs to rest his troops and rebuild. 
 

So I believe a cease fire and talks will happen soon! 

[jmccr8]

51 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Under the current American and European leadership, I think Putin has achieved all he can, militarily.
 

Will Kamala be as supportive of Ukraine? I doubt it. But she will not pull the plug, either. But Trump will.

So Putin has everything to gain with a cease fire and talks until the situation becomes clear and Zelensky needs to rest his troops and rebuild. 
 

So I believe a cease fire and talks will happen soon! 

HI UT

Yes there may be talks but that doesn't mean terms can be negotiated or agree with. Putin has made it clear that by 2034 there will be no Ukraine so I wouldn't take his word for anything even if he agreed to have an explosive implant with someone in the West having the remote. 

[DarkHunter]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Your right … Ukraine is winning so they just decided to talk about peace and concede territory because the future is just so bright

 

 

Ukraine’s military chief warns of deteriorating situation on frontline

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/28/ukraine-pulls-back-from-three-villages-in-east-as-russia-claims-gains
 

Ukraine is at great risk of its front lines collapsing
 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-great-risk-front-line-collapse-war-russia/

Two articles both from April, first article from the end of April and the second article from the start of April.

First article talks about how the situation was deteriorating as Ukraine waited for the shipment of American weapons and ammunition to arrive which it has.  Even then it clearly says the Russians only had tactical advantage and not operational advantage.

Second article is largely about Musk and his views on the war, which Musk hasn't been particularly accurate on.  The rest of the article is largely the opinions of an anonymous officer who was concerned that a summer Russian offensive might break through Ukranian lines.  Considering the Russian summer offensive towards Kharkiv has been a complete failure and gains in the east are minimal and come at high cost it seems the Russian summer offensive didn't break through Ukranian lines.

Really interested to see how you now try to spin outdated articles as backing your completely unfounded statements which you deceptively tried to pass off as facts.

You have a very interesting posting pattern where you add in your opinion and Russian misinformation and propaganda then post links to articles that don't even mention what you say.  Then when called out on it you quickly search for anything you think will back what you said seemingly without reading the article or looking when it was posted.

Given how you have traditionally just push Russian propaganda and misinformation I am not really expecting much from you.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

HI UT

Yes there may be talks but that doesn't mean terms can be negotiated or agree with. Putin has made it clear that by 2034 there will be no Ukraine so I wouldn't take his word for anything even if he agreed to have an explosive implant with someone in the West having the remote. 

Hey Jay, what happens next will be decided by the US Election in November. If Harris is elected the support for Ukrainians will continue unabated if she doesn’t the Ukraine will have a very difficult decision to make. Because her opponent will sell them out and attempt to get NATO to back off. By the end of November everything will be clear let’s just hope Harris wins or the Ukraine will have to rely on the support that can be given by the European Union.

[jmccr8]

18 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Hey Jay, what happens next will be decided by the US Election in November. If Harris is elected the support for Ukrainians will continue unabated if she doesn’t the Ukraine will have a very difficult decision to make. Because her opponent will sell them out and attempt to get NATO to back off. By the end of November everything will be clear let’s just hope Harris wins or the Ukraine will have to rely on the support that can be given by the European Union.

HI Grim

I agree that Trump would cut support from the US. That doesn't mean that NATO countries will as well as most of the European members have expressed concerns as well as ramped up arms production in anticipation. I expect this conflict to continue even without US support and Trump doesn't have the influence he thinks he has both abroad and at home. Several factions of US govt has already said Trump doesn't understand this situation and some in his party agree. We will have to wait a few months to see how this unfolds and expect as soon as jets are delivered target hits on Russian military infrastructure will increase to do their best to decimate Russian capabilities before your elections. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Grim

I agree that Trump would cut support from the US. That doesn't mean that NATO countries will as well as most of the European members have expressed concerns as well as ramped up arms production in anticipation. I expect this conflict to continue even without US support and Trump doesn't have the influence he thinks he has both abroad and at home. Several factions of US govt has already said Trump doesn't understand this situation and some in his party agree. We will have to wait a few months to see how this unfolds and expect as soon as jets are delivered target hits on Russian military infrastructure will increase to do their best to decimate Russian capabilities before your elections. 

I agree with Jay, your comments make perfect sense to me dude.

[pellinore]

6 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Honestly, how Vlad reacts (potentially both Vlads for that matter) will be a good indicator what the “behind the scenes word” is about the US election, if Vlad P holds out, he thinks/has been advised that the good money is on a Trump win and Russia will probably get to keep what it’s stolen so far. If Vlad P pushes for peace, it’s a good chance the reverse is true, and he thinks the support of Ukraine will continue. If Vlad Z starts to push for peace, he’s been told by someone Trump’s for the win and will not look kindly upon him.

57 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Grim

I agree that Trump would cut support from the US. That doesn't mean that NATO countries will as well as most of the European members have expressed concerns as well as ramped up arms production in anticipation. I expect this conflict to continue even without US support and Trump doesn't have the influence he thinks he has both abroad and at home. Several factions of US govt has already said Trump doesn't understand this situation and some in his party agree. We will have to wait a few months to see how this unfolds and expect as soon as jets are delivered target hits on Russian military infrastructure will increase to do their best to decimate Russian capabilities before your elections. 

The sudden changes in US policy have come as a blow to many members of the Russian elite who follow relations between Moscow and the West, reports The Washington Post...

“If Kamala Harris wins the election, it will be a huge disappointment for the Kremlin,” said Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of R.Politik, a Russian political consulting company now based in France.

She adds that if she comes, “all the windows will close shut.”

In contrast, the turmoil of Trump's presidency, his admiration for authoritarian rulers like Russian leader Vladimir Putin, and his attacks on the EU and NATO have been a gift to Russia. 

Russia fears Harris winning US presidential election - WP (msn.com)

Edited July 28 by pellinore

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

HI UT

Yes there may be talks but that doesn't mean terms can be negotiated or agree with. Putin has made it clear that by 2034 there will be no Ukraine so I wouldn't take his word for anything even if he agreed to have an explosive implant with someone in the West having the remote. 

The last months of a Biden government will be the best indicator of what a Harris administration would do for Ukraine. He will consult with Harris and move the pieces accordingly to easy Harris’s foreign policy into place OR Trump’s. 

“explosive implant with someone in the West having the remote”

Don’t know what you’re alluding to here /\ but I’m intrigued, so please let me know

 

 

[jmccr8]

19 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

The last months of a Biden government will be the best indicator of what a Harris administration would do for Ukraine. He will consult with Harris and move the pieces accordingly to easy Harris’s foreign policy into place OR Trump’s. 

“explosive implant with someone in the West having the remote”

Don’t know what you’re alluding to here /\ but I’m intrigued, so please let me know

 

 

HI UT

A small charge biometrically implanted in the brain or near heart. It's movie stuff and was just illustrating that I still wouldn't trust a word that came out of his mouth. 

[Unusual Tournament]

35 minutes ago, pellinore said:

The sudden changes in US policy have come as a blow to many members of the Russian elite who follow relations between Moscow and the West, reports The Washington Post...

“If Kamala Harris wins the election, it will be a huge disappointment for the Kremlin,” said Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of R.Politik, a Russian political consulting company now based in France.

She adds that if she comes, “all the windows will close shut.”

In contrast, the turmoil of Trump's presidency, his admiration for authoritarian rulers like Russian leader Vladimir Putin, and his attacks on the EU and NATO have been a gift to Russia. 

Russia fears Harris winning US presidential election - WP (msn.com)

There are no guarantees who is gonna win the American election and only a fool would bet on one candidate. Im reminded about ‘the guy that buys the drinks at the bar’ he doesn’t do it outta generosity but for an angle. Biden has been buying the drinks for Ukraine and he’ll want the last say and be the one to agree with Putin. It’s his war. 
 

I really believe Biden will make Putin a deal that will reflect the current reality before he leaves office. It’s his legacy and right

Edited July 28 by Unusual Tournament

[Unusual Tournament]

8 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI UT

A small charge biometrically implanted in the brain or near heart. It's movie stuff and was just illustrating that I still wouldn't trust a word that came out of his mouth. 

I get it now. Okay you’re very passionate about not trusting Putin. 

Edited July 28 by Unusual Tournament

[jmccr8]

5 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I get it now. Okay you’re very passionate about not trusting Putin. 

HI UT

Given some of my life experience taught me to trust me and I had to earn that privilege and expect no less from or for anyone. I don't need to know Putin personally there are plenty of people that exhibit the same tendencies. Bad business is bad buininess he has an agenda which he has broadcasted over the last year so no I would not likely recognize a commitment to any agreement in any other way than an illusion/distraction. Would Trump drop trade sanctions that may offer opportunities to enhance military application? 

That may isolate the US from the west and affect trade and defence tech markets revenues that will affect jobs in the US. 

[acidhead]

Trump hasn't said what his plan is but somebody close to him has revealed what is possibly will be. 

 Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and David J. Urban, a former advisor to Trump's campaigns in 2016 and 2020, published an article in the Wall Street Journal on July 25, 2024, , outlining what might be the Republican administration's plan if Trump is elected president. Israel is also mentioned in the plan.

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-trump-peace-plan-for-ukraine-russia-foreign-policy-926348cf

(Note: it's behind a paywall)

Pompeo's op-ed in WSJ summarized:

He emphasized that some experts claim that if re-elected, Trump will end aid to Ukraine, give away its territory, and deal directly with Vladimir Putin to impose a shameful "peace" on the country.

"There is no evidence that such a capitulation will be part of President Trump's policy, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. It was Mr. Trump in 2017 who lifted the Obama administration's arms embargo by providing Ukraine with Javelin missiles that helped save Kyiv in the early days of Russia's intrusion.
Most recently, Mr. Trump provided political cover for House Speaker Mike Johnson as he maneuvered to pass more military aid. Helping Ukraine while simultaneously reviving the American defense and industrial base in Alabama, Pennsylvania, and Virginia is good policy," Pompeo wrote

This is how Trump's peace plan for Ukraine might look, writes Pompeo:

-Unleash America's energy potential. This will fire up the U.S. economy, drive down prices and shrink Mr. Putin's war-crimes budget.

-Rebuild ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel and work together against Iran. This will stabilize the Middle East, ease the Gaza crisis, and create an opening for the Saudis to join the U.S. in squeezing Russia out of global energy markets.

-Impose real sanctions on Russia. The Biden administration's sanctions sound good on paper but are hollow. The Treasury, for example, exempts Russian banks from U.S. sanctions if their transactions are related to energy production—the most important revenue source for the Kremlin's war machine.

-Bulk up America's defense industry. We must show our adversaries, especially Russia and China, that they can't compete with U.S. defense capabilities. Russia's economy is smaller than Texas'. We can't allow China to match and surpass the U.S.

-Revitalize the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. This includes making Europeans pay their fair share. It is time to raise the bar on spending to 3% of member countries' gross domestic product.

-Create a $500 billion "lend-lease" program for Ukraine. Instead of saddling U.S. taxpayers with more bills, let Ukraine borrow as much as it needs to buy American weapons to defeat Russia. This is how we helped Britain in World War II before Pearl Harbor. It's how we can send a clear signal to Mr. Putin that he will never win.

-Lift all restrictions on the type of weapons Ukraine can obtain and use. This will re-establish a position of strength, which Mr. Putin will understand means the war must end. He will face rising costs and no chance of further gain.

According to the authors, these steps would "position Mr. Trump to set the terms of a deal: The war stops immediately. Ukraine builds up substantial defense forces so Russia never attacks again. No one recognizes Russia's occupation and claimed annexation of any Ukrainian territories - just as we never recognized the Soviet incorporation of the Baltic states and withheld recognition from East Germany until 1974. Crimea is demilitarized. Ukraine rebuilds with reparations from Russia's frozen central-bank reserves, not U.S. taxpayer dollars. Ukraine joins NATO as soon as possible so all European allies assume the burden of protecting it. NATO should establish a $100 billion fund for arming Ukraine, with the U.S. share capped at 20%, as is the case with other alliance common budgets. The European Union should swiftly admit Ukraine and help it modernize and develop its economy."

And what about Russia? "If Russia complies with these terms, the West will gradually lift sanctions. They will be fully removed once Ukraine is in both NATO and the EU." Pompeo and Urban state that "these steps, and not the half-measures of the Biden administration, will end the war, establish a lasting peace, ensure Europe bears the burden of maintaining it, and re-establish freedom and security on the Continent."

"For those who doubt," the authors conclude, "The last thing Mr. Trump wants in a second term is a foreign-policy failure that distracts from his domestic agenda and makes Mr. Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan look like a success in comparison."

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/26/possible-trump-plan-for-ukraine-half-a-trillion-dollars-and-nato-membership/

 

[jmccr8]

38 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Trump hasn't said what his plan is but somebody close to him has revealed what is possibly will be. 

 Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and David J. Urban, a former advisor to Trump's campaigns in 2016 and 2020, published an article in the Wall Street Journal on July 25, 2024, , outlining what might be the Republican administration's plan if Trump is elected president. Israel is also mentioned in the plan.

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-trump-peace-plan-for-ukraine-russia-foreign-policy-926348cf

(Note: it's behind a paywall)

Pompeo's op-ed in WSJ summarized:

He emphasized that some experts claim that if re-elected, Trump will end aid to Ukraine, give away its territory, and deal directly with Vladimir Putin to impose a shameful "peace" on the country.

"There is no evidence that such a capitulation will be part of President Trump's policy, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. It was Mr. Trump in 2017 who lifted the Obama administration's arms embargo by providing Ukraine with Javelin missiles that helped save Kyiv in the early days of Russia's intrusion.
Most recently, Mr. Trump provided political cover for House Speaker Mike Johnson as he maneuvered to pass more military aid. Helping Ukraine while simultaneously reviving the American defense and industrial base in Alabama, Pennsylvania, and Virginia is good policy," Pompeo wrote

This is how Trump's peace plan for Ukraine might look, writes Pompeo:

-Unleash America's energy potential. This will fire up the U.S. economy, drive down prices and shrink Mr. Putin's war-crimes budget.

-Rebuild ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel and work together against Iran. This will stabilize the Middle East, ease the Gaza crisis, and create an opening for the Saudis to join the U.S. in squeezing Russia out of global energy markets.

-Impose real sanctions on Russia. The Biden administration's sanctions sound good on paper but are hollow. The Treasury, for example, exempts Russian banks from U.S. sanctions if their transactions are related to energy production—the most important revenue source for the Kremlin's war machine.

-Bulk up America's defense industry. We must show our adversaries, especially Russia and China, that they can't compete with U.S. defense capabilities. Russia's economy is smaller than Texas'. We can't allow China to match and surpass the U.S.

-Revitalize the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. This includes making Europeans pay their fair share. It is time to raise the bar on spending to 3% of member countries' gross domestic product.

-Create a $500 billion "lend-lease" program for Ukraine. Instead of saddling U.S. taxpayers with more bills, let Ukraine borrow as much as it needs to buy American weapons to defeat Russia. This is how we helped Britain in World War II before Pearl Harbor. It's how we can send a clear signal to Mr. Putin that he will never win.

-Lift all restrictions on the type of weapons Ukraine can obtain and use. This will re-establish a position of strength, which Mr. Putin will understand means the war must end. He will face rising costs and no chance of further gain.

According to the authors, these steps would "position Mr. Trump to set the terms of a deal: The war stops immediately. Ukraine builds up substantial defense forces so Russia never attacks again. No one recognizes Russia's occupation and claimed annexation of any Ukrainian territories - just as we never recognized the Soviet incorporation of the Baltic states and withheld recognition from East Germany until 1974. Crimea is demilitarized. Ukraine rebuilds with reparations from Russia's frozen central-bank reserves, not U.S. taxpayer dollars. Ukraine joins NATO as soon as possible so all European allies assume the burden of protecting it. NATO should establish a $100 billion fund for arming Ukraine, with the U.S. share capped at 20%, as is the case with other alliance common budgets. The European Union should swiftly admit Ukraine and help it modernize and develop its economy."

And what about Russia? "If Russia complies with these terms, the West will gradually lift sanctions. They will be fully removed once Ukraine is in both NATO and the EU." Pompeo and Urban state that "these steps, and not the half-measures of the Biden administration, will end the war, establish a lasting peace, ensure Europe bears the burden of maintaining it, and re-establish freedom and security on the Continent."

"For those who doubt," the authors conclude, "The last thing Mr. Trump wants in a second term is a foreign-policy failure that distracts from his domestic agenda and makes Mr. Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan look like a success in comparison."

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/26/possible-trump-plan-for-ukraine-half-a-trillion-dollars-and-nato-membership/

 

HI Cod

Someone in the next stall to me just farted what should I do it smells real bad in here? 

Should I release the Kacken lol I missed rum Friday yesterday am loaded and ready to go. Lol

[acidhead]

5 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Cod

Someone in the next stall to me just farted what should I do it smells real bad in here? 

Should I release the Kacken lol I missed rum Friday yesterday am loaded and ready to go. Lol

Please don't post rude and disgusting comments like this in reply to my posts again. 

TYIA

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Trump hasn't said what his plan is but somebody close to him has revealed what is possibly will be. 

 Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and David J. Urban, a former advisor to Trump's campaigns in 2016 and 2020, published an article in the Wall Street Journal on July 25, 2024, , outlining what might be the Republican administration's plan if Trump is elected president. Israel is also mentioned in the plan.

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-trump-peace-plan-for-ukraine-russia-foreign-policy-926348cf

(Note: it's behind a paywall)

Pompeo's op-ed in WSJ summarized:

He emphasized that some experts claim that if re-elected, Trump will end aid to Ukraine, give away its territory, and deal directly with Vladimir Putin to impose a shameful "peace" on the country.

"There is no evidence that such a capitulation will be part of President Trump's policy, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. It was Mr. Trump in 2017 who lifted the Obama administration's arms embargo by providing Ukraine with Javelin missiles that helped save Kyiv in the early days of Russia's intrusion.
Most recently, Mr. Trump provided political cover for House Speaker Mike Johnson as he maneuvered to pass more military aid. Helping Ukraine while simultaneously reviving the American defense and industrial base in Alabama, Pennsylvania, and Virginia is good policy," Pompeo wrote

This is how Trump's peace plan for Ukraine might look, writes Pompeo:

-Unleash America's energy potential. This will fire up the U.S. economy, drive down prices and shrink Mr. Putin's war-crimes budget.

-Rebuild ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel and work together against Iran. This will stabilize the Middle East, ease the Gaza crisis, and create an opening for the Saudis to join the U.S. in squeezing Russia out of global energy markets.

-Impose real sanctions on Russia. The Biden administration's sanctions sound good on paper but are hollow. The Treasury, for example, exempts Russian banks from U.S. sanctions if their transactions are related to energy production—the most important revenue source for the Kremlin's war machine.

-Bulk up America's defense industry. We must show our adversaries, especially Russia and China, that they can't compete with U.S. defense capabilities. Russia's economy is smaller than Texas'. We can't allow China to match and surpass the U.S.

-Revitalize the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. This includes making Europeans pay their fair share. It is time to raise the bar on spending to 3% of member countries' gross domestic product.

-Create a $500 billion "lend-lease" program for Ukraine. Instead of saddling U.S. taxpayers with more bills, let Ukraine borrow as much as it needs to buy American weapons to defeat Russia. This is how we helped Britain in World War II before Pearl Harbor. It's how we can send a clear signal to Mr. Putin that he will never win.

-Lift all restrictions on the type of weapons Ukraine can obtain and use. This will re-establish a position of strength, which Mr. Putin will understand means the war must end. He will face rising costs and no chance of further gain.

According to the authors, these steps would "position Mr. Trump to set the terms of a deal: The war stops immediately. Ukraine builds up substantial defense forces so Russia never attacks again. No one recognizes Russia's occupation and claimed annexation of any Ukrainian territories - just as we never recognized the Soviet incorporation of the Baltic states and withheld recognition from East Germany until 1974. Crimea is demilitarized. Ukraine rebuilds with reparations from Russia's frozen central-bank reserves, not U.S. taxpayer dollars. Ukraine joins NATO as soon as possible so all European allies assume the burden of protecting it. NATO should establish a $100 billion fund for arming Ukraine, with the U.S. share capped at 20%, as is the case with other alliance common budgets. The European Union should swiftly admit Ukraine and help it modernize and develop its economy."

And what about Russia? "If Russia complies with these terms, the West will gradually lift sanctions. They will be fully removed once Ukraine is in both NATO and the EU." Pompeo and Urban state that "these steps, and not the half-measures of the Biden administration, will end the war, establish a lasting peace, ensure Europe bears the burden of maintaining it, and re-establish freedom and security on the Continent."

"For those who doubt," the authors conclude, "The last thing Mr. Trump wants in a second term is a foreign-policy failure that distracts from his domestic agenda and makes Mr. Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan look like a success in comparison."

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/26/possible-trump-plan-for-ukraine-half-a-trillion-dollars-and-nato-membership/

 

But really after all Trump's said about Zelensky ripping off America I find the link you posted to run counter to what Trump has actually said. 
 

A Trump presidency would leave Ukraine to its fate – because he has China in his sights
 

Trump vowed to end the war in Ukraine. In a phone call with Zelenskiy the next day, he pledged to achieve a “just peace”, but Kyiv has good reason to fear that he would, at a minimum, allow Russia to retain the Ukrainian territory it holds and also shut Nato’s door on Ukraine.
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/25/ukraine-war-russia-us-trump-election

[jmccr8]

10 hours ago, acidhead said:

Please don't post rude and disgusting comments like this in reply to my posts again. 

TYIA

HI Cid

My apologies, I was just joking around. 

[jmccr8]

12 hours ago, acidhead said:

Trump hasn't said what his plan is but somebody close to him has revealed what is possibly will be. 

 Former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and David J. Urban, a former advisor to Trump's campaigns in 2016 and 2020, published an article in the Wall Street Journal on July 25, 2024, , outlining what might be the Republican administration's plan if Trump is elected president. Israel is also mentioned in the plan.

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-trump-peace-plan-for-ukraine-russia-foreign-policy-926348cf

(Note: it's behind a paywall)

Pompeo's op-ed in WSJ summarized:

He emphasized that some experts claim that if re-elected, Trump will end aid to Ukraine, give away its territory, and deal directly with Vladimir Putin to impose a shameful "peace" on the country.

"There is no evidence that such a capitulation will be part of President Trump's policy, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. It was Mr. Trump in 2017 who lifted the Obama administration's arms embargo by providing Ukraine with Javelin missiles that helped save Kyiv in the early days of Russia's intrusion.
Most recently, Mr. Trump provided political cover for House Speaker Mike Johnson as he maneuvered to pass more military aid. Helping Ukraine while simultaneously reviving the American defense and industrial base in Alabama, Pennsylvania, and Virginia is good policy," Pompeo wrote

This is how Trump's peace plan for Ukraine might look, writes Pompeo:

-Unleash America's energy potential. This will fire up the U.S. economy, drive down prices and shrink Mr. Putin's war-crimes budget.

-Rebuild ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel and work together against Iran. This will stabilize the Middle East, ease the Gaza crisis, and create an opening for the Saudis to join the U.S. in squeezing Russia out of global energy markets.

-Impose real sanctions on Russia. The Biden administration's sanctions sound good on paper but are hollow. The Treasury, for example, exempts Russian banks from U.S. sanctions if their transactions are related to energy production—the most important revenue source for the Kremlin's war machine.

-Bulk up America's defense industry. We must show our adversaries, especially Russia and China, that they can't compete with U.S. defense capabilities. Russia's economy is smaller than Texas'. We can't allow China to match and surpass the U.S.

-Revitalize the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. This includes making Europeans pay their fair share. It is time to raise the bar on spending to 3% of member countries' gross domestic product.

-Create a $500 billion "lend-lease" program for Ukraine. Instead of saddling U.S. taxpayers with more bills, let Ukraine borrow as much as it needs to buy American weapons to defeat Russia. This is how we helped Britain in World War II before Pearl Harbor. It's how we can send a clear signal to Mr. Putin that he will never win.

-Lift all restrictions on the type of weapons Ukraine can obtain and use. This will re-establish a position of strength, which Mr. Putin will understand means the war must end. He will face rising costs and no chance of further gain.

According to the authors, these steps would "position Mr. Trump to set the terms of a deal: The war stops immediately. Ukraine builds up substantial defense forces so Russia never attacks again. No one recognizes Russia's occupation and claimed annexation of any Ukrainian territories - just as we never recognized the Soviet incorporation of the Baltic states and withheld recognition from East Germany until 1974. Crimea is demilitarized. Ukraine rebuilds with reparations from Russia's frozen central-bank reserves, not U.S. taxpayer dollars. Ukraine joins NATO as soon as possible so all European allies assume the burden of protecting it. NATO should establish a $100 billion fund for arming Ukraine, with the U.S. share capped at 20%, as is the case with other alliance common budgets. The European Union should swiftly admit Ukraine and help it modernize and develop its economy."

And what about Russia? "If Russia complies with these terms, the West will gradually lift sanctions. They will be fully removed once Ukraine is in both NATO and the EU." Pompeo and Urban state that "these steps, and not the half-measures of the Biden administration, will end the war, establish a lasting peace, ensure Europe bears the burden of maintaining it, and re-establish freedom and security on the Continent."

"For those who doubt," the authors conclude, "The last thing Mr. Trump wants in a second term is a foreign-policy failure that distracts from his domestic agenda and makes Mr. Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan look like a success in comparison."

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/07/26/possible-trump-plan-for-ukraine-half-a-trillion-dollars-and-nato-membership/

 

HI Cid

Is it a republican plan or Trump's as there is a significant difference? To be point blank I don't have any more trust in Trump than I do for Putin. 

The boom for American oil is only because the Ukraine targeted Russian facilities in order to affect military mobility which Trump had nada to do with.