Spitballing some Simulationism.

[XenoFish]

5 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

So, what is your answer to the problem?

 

34 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It would just follow coding with the illusion of choice. Giving just enough free will to interact successfully, depending on what successful means though. 

 

[papageorge1]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

It would just follow coding with the illusion of choice. Giving just enough free will to interact successfully, depending on what successful means though. 

That's not even addressing the Hard Problem of Consciousness. Re-read the problem, maybe.

[MrsGently]

On 8/4/2024 at 5:07 PM, zep73 said:

Mass is an illusion. That's been established long ago. There is only energy. Charges. Radiation. The big bang came out of nowhere, remember?

Aha sure and you can describe the mechanism for nothing to explode into everything.

[zep73]

32 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Aha sure and you can describe the mechanism for nothing to explode into everything.

Of course. But you have to know physics to grasp it.

[MrsGently]

2 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Of course. But you have to know physics to grasp it.

I do. Wow me

[zep73]

7 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

I do. Wow me

Imagine a man digging a hole, leaving a pile of dirt next to it. The hole is gravity, the dirt pile is energy/radiation/mass. That's the simplest analogy I've got.
The universe is trying to put the dirt back where it came from. To neutralize reality. Black holes do that, but very slowly. Black holes turn mass into radiation, which will probably eventually fade away, leaving nothing.

Edited August 6 by zep73

[Alchopwn]

On 8/5/2024 at 1:35 AM, Grey Area said:

I completely disagree with this.

If we are in a simulation, the rules of the system are very very clearly the laws of physics.  Nothing changes about our reality, and the truth is wholly unknowable.

Well, if Simulationism is correct, then in terms of the physics of the universe, a lot becomes explicable, and we must ask some interesting questions about the fact that our universe is based on some very powerful computing, and that astrophysics is essentially irrelevant, because there are no actual stars.

[Alchopwn]

On 8/4/2024 at 10:30 PM, lightly said:

Nope @Alchopwn , I’ve never played SIMS or any other computer game since the original PONG.      I’m not too savvy on computer powers and capabilities. I still have to think that only a being can Actually Experience.      AE  

Well better AE than EA.

[MrsGently]

9 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Imagine a man digging a hole, leaving a pile of dirt next to it. The hole is gravity, the dirt pile is energy/radiation/mass. That's the simplest analogy I've got.
The universe is trying to put the dirt back where it came from. To neutralize reality. Black holes do that, but very slowly. Black holes turn mass into radiation, which will probably eventually fade away, leaving nothing.

Ha! That's not an analogy for everything out of nothing. That's shifting dirt.

There's also no physics in any what you said. Just fantasy twaddle

[lightly]

Sorry @Alchopwn,        what’s EA ?    

[zep73]

1 minute ago, MrsGently said:

Ha! That's not an analogy for everything out of nothing. That's shifting dirt.

There's also no physics in any what you said. Just fantasy twaddle

I guess your understanding of physics is very very limited. Oh well... 🙄

[MrsGently]

22 minutes ago, zep73 said:

I guess your understanding of physics is very very limited. Oh well... 🙄

There's no physics in any what you said.

And I already knew you're clueless when you said that "all is energy and radiation" lol

[XenoFish]

Here we go again.🙄

Thought I was argumentative.🤣

[zep73]

2 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

There's no physics in any what you said.

And I already knew you're clueless when you said that "all is energy and radiation" lol

Your ignorance is killing me 🤣 That's all I've got left to say. Over and out. If you want further replies, switch on your brain first.

[MrsGently]

5 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Your ignorance is killing me 🤣 That's all I've got left to say. Over and out. If you want further replies, switch on your brain first.

There's no physics to describe everything out of nothing because that's not even how the Big Bang Theory works, as in that it's developing out of a singularity, which contains potential for everything but has no space-time to "organize it into matter" yet.

Which is exactly why I knew when you said "everything is energy/radiation" you are clueless. That also doesn't work, because again: space-time is neither but the foundation of the matter-world.

 

Edited August 6 by MrsGently
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[zep73]

4 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

There's no physics to describe everything out of nothing because that's not even how the Big Bang Theory works, as in that it's developing out of a singularity, which contains potential for everything but has no space-time to "organize it into matter" yet.

Which is exactly why I knew when you said "everything is energy/radiation" you are clueless. That also doesn't work, because again: space-time is neither but the foundation of the matter-world.

Your understanding of it is incomplete. Now please leave me alone.

[MrsGently]

3 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Your understanding of it is incomplete. Now please leave me alone.

Ha! Wanna try again? What am I missing? Incomplete... Everything is energy is the full theory, but pointing out that's missing the most important ingredient makes my understanding "incomplete"?

I am sorry but that's also not how reality works... at all lol

[XenoFish]

6 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Your understanding of it is incomplete. Now please leave me alone.

Just ignore her. You'll get drawn in to an unnecessary argument.

[Grey Area]

53 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Well, if Simulationism is correct, then in terms of the physics of the universe, a lot becomes explicable

Simulation theory essentially replaces god, it's god of the gaps.  Sure everything can be explained by the theory and the bit's that are left could be explained by the system administrator messing or making changes.  It's convenient.

1 hour ago, Alchopwn said:

and we must ask some interesting questions about the fact that our universe is based on some very powerful computing, and that astrophysics is essentially irrelevant, because there are no actual stars.

Well if you want to get down and totally nihilistic then everything is irrelevant, as everything is simulated, not just the stars.  But then if the simulation is a closed system with the rules being our science, and we are just as much a part of the simulation then the universe is as real to us as it always has been.

Essentially the whole theory is totally irrelevant, it's meaningless, even as a thought experiment it's weak. 

[zep73]

1 hour ago, MrsGently said:

Ha! Wanna try again? What am I missing? Incomplete... Everything is energy is the full theory, but pointing out that's missing the most important ingredient makes my understanding "incomplete"?

I am sorry but that's also not how reality works... at all lol

 

[MrsGently]

12 minutes ago, zep73 said:

 

Yes, the thing is though these fields still are only used to describe the behaviour of subatomic particles, sooooooo

these are basically "just" the vibrating strings of String Theory combined with QM & special relativity. Doesn't validate any of what you said. Just more confirmation you don't know what you are talking about.

[zep73]

1 minute ago, MrsGently said:

Yes, the thing is though these fields still are only used to describe the behaviour of subatomic particles, sooooooo

these are basically "just" the vibrating strings of String Theory combined with QM & special relativity. Doesn't validate any of what you said. Just more confirmation you don't know what you are talking about.

I really really tried, but you are just missing the understanding of the full picture. You need to study more, girl.

[MrsGently]

7 minutes ago, zep73 said:

I really really tried, but you are just missing the understanding of the full picture. You need to study more, girl.

Oh nice touch! Spicing up your ignorance with a dash of sexism... lol

[zep73]

1 minute ago, MrsGently said:

Oh nice touch! Spicing up your ignorance with a dash of sexism... lol

Using the word girl is sexism??!!

Wow...

[MrsGently]

2 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Using the word girl is sexism??!!

Wow...

Well if you use it the way you did,  trying to make yourself look superior when your ignorance has been proven in this conversation = yes

You know it's like when you take a rusty old shovel and try to dig through 5m concrete with it. That's the analogy for you trying to do "a physics".