Spitballing some Simulationism.

[zep73]

Just now, MrsGently said:

Well if you use it the way you did,  trying to make yourself look superior when your ignorance has been proven in this conversation = yes

You know it's like when you take a rusty old shovel and try to dig through 5m concrete with it. That's the analogy for you trying to do "a physics".

I was referring to the age gap, not the gender 🙄

I put you on ignore. I never use that function normally. But you are just too obnoxious and presumtuous. Bye for now.

[MrsGently]

Since I just noticed this is in psychology:

Simulation seems to me very deterministic. Everybody is just running their programs and the only interactions taking place are algorithms. That's the most depressing view of reality one can have, it would be entirely without chaos.

And isn't chaos where all the fun is and truly new things are coming from?

Also where does thought and emotions fit into this? All also just algorithmic determinism?

 

[MrsGently]

1 minute ago, zep73 said:

I was referring to the age gap, not the gender 🙄

I put you on ignore. I never use that function normally. But you are just too obnoxious and presumtuous. Bye for now.

Oh no! How will I survive this? But if all is energy you can't ignore me, because fields overlap!?! I will bump in your field and then my energy will make waves and the ignore function obsolete, doesn't it?

[Guyver]

6 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Since I just noticed this is in psychology:

Simulation seems to me very deterministic. Everybody is just running their programs and the only interactions taking place are algorithms. That's the most depressing view of reality one can have, it would be entirely without chaos.

And isn't chaos where all the fun is and truly new things are coming from?

Also where does thought and emotions fit into this? All also just algorithmic determinism?

 

Yes.

[Guyver]

3 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Oh no! How will I survive this? But if all is energy you can't ignore me, because fields overlap!?! I will bump in your field and then my energy will make waves and the ignore function obsolete, doesn't it?

E = MC^2.  So, mass and energy are interchangeable.

[MrsGently]

Just now, Guyver said:

E = MC^2.  So, mass and energy are interchangeable.

Sure, but the caveat is c^2 that means at speed that is c × c and nothing can go faster than just c.

I mean we can observe the effect speed has on mass, if you take something slightly heavier than a photon you end up with infinite mass at c.

That's a purely theoretical construct that points to the relationship between energy, mass and speed but it "works for actual transformation" only outside of the confinement of reality which overwrites theory at the statement: nothing can go faster than c.

[Guyver]

5 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Sure, but the caveat is c^2 that means at speed that is c × c and nothing can go faster than just c.

I mean we can observe the effect speed has on mass, if you take something slightly heavier than a photon you end up with infinite mass at c.

That's a purely theoretical construct that points to the relationship between energy, mass and speed but it "works for actual transformation" only outside of the confinement of reality which overwrites theory at the statement: nothing can go faster than c.

I recently watched a physicist YouTube video here on the forum somewhere, and her position is that according to relativism, it is theoretically possible to exceed the speed of light as we measure it now.  It’s not my specific wheelhouse, though I love the topic….so, you’re not going to get much of a heated debate from me on the topic. 😘

[XenoFish]

What if I told it wasn't the pill you take, but the acceptance of the choice you've made.

Edited August 6 by XenoFish

[MrsGently]

19 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I recently watched a physicist YouTube video here on the forum somewhere, and her position is that according to relativism, it is theoretically possible to exceed the speed of light as we measure it now.  It’s not my specific wheelhouse, though I love the topic….so, you’re not going to get much of a heated debate from me on the topic. 😘

Theoretical musings are the best. It's where interesting aspects pop up.

I LOVE the idea that the universe itself is a quantum computer. And that's the reason we need to shield our little quantum processors so much, because it's always intetacting with the bigger encompassing quantum computer the universe itself.

[Guyver]

30 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Theoretical musings are the best. It's where interesting aspects pop up.

I LOVE the idea that the universe itself is a quantum computer. And that's the reason we need to shield our little quantum processors so much, because it's always intetacting with the bigger encompassing quantum computer the universe itself.

Same here.

[Guyver]

32 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

Theoretical musings are the best. It's where interesting aspects pop up.

I LOVE the idea that the universe itself is a quantum computer. And that's the reason we need to shield our little quantum processors so much, because it's always intetacting with the bigger encompassing quantum computer the universe itself.

 

[MrsGently]

3 minutes ago, Guyver said:

 

Oh Hossenfelder yes, a classical "question everything person" she is also the one who wrote the book on... sthg like lost in maths? That mathmatical proof has been overrated in science?

Pretty great stuff. Controversial, uncomfortable, keeping peeps on their toes.

[Alchopwn]

14 hours ago, lightly said:

Sorry @Alchopwn,        what’s EA ?    

A computer gaming company that isn't very popular... Electronic Arts.

[+OverSword]

@Alchopwn Quick note.  The difference between the Matrix and  Simulation Theory is that the inhabitants are also all simulated.  

[Bendy Demon]

For the sake of this bizarre discussion, if all we are is merely components and minor programs within some sort of larger program then it stands to reason that therefore nothing we do really matters. Laws, morals, ethics, compassion; none of that means anything so whatever thing we do the consequences are then just as equally meaningless. We can kill, destroy, maim, plunder and none of it will mean a darned thing because it is a program and the consequences for all those bad actions aren't real.

Simulations are not real nor are video games no matter how 'realistic' they appear so whatever consequences the oblivious participants are subjected to have no effect and meaning. Is that more or less accurate?

[lightly]

On 8/6/2024 at 9:27 AM, Guyver said:

E = MC^2.  So, mass and energy are interchangeable.

I thought the M in that equation stands for Matter?     (but I’m sure your understanding is more complete than mine..the bit below the link seems to agree with your statement).    ✌️

…mass in physics:  Quantitative measure of inertia, a fundamental property of all matter.  It is, in effect, the resistance that a body of matter offers to a change in it’s speed or position upon the application of a force.

Mass | Definition, Units, & Facts | Britannica.    
     But, within this link:   With the advent of the special theory of relativity by Einstein in 1905, the notion of mass underwent a radical revision. Mass lost its absoluteness. The mass of an object was seen to be equivalent to energy, to be interconvertible with energy, and to increase significantly at exceedingly high speeds near that of light

       

 

 

Edited August 9 by lightly

[Guyver]

13 hours ago, lightly said:

I thought the M in that equation stands for Matter?     (but I’m sure your understanding is more complete than mine..the bit below the link seems to agree with your statement).    ✌️

…mass in physics:  Quantitative measure of inertia, a fundamental property of all matter.  It is, in effect, the resistance that a body of matter offers to a change in it’s speed or position upon the application of a force.

Mass | Definition, Units, & Facts | Britannica.    
     But, within this link:   With the advent of the special theory of relativity by Einstein in 1905, the notion of mass underwent a radical revision. Mass lost its absoluteness. The mass of an object was seen to be equivalent to energy, to be interconvertible with energy, and to increase significantly at exceedingly high speeds near that of light

       

 

 

Mass is a measurement of matter my brother.

[lightly]

13 hours ago, Guyver said:

Mass is a measurement of matter my brother.

Thanks bud,   Hmm, i always thought the M represented Matter..   this link agrees with you.   It describes mass as a matter quantity,  and  an energy content.      !* 
 

https://www.uu.edu/dept/physics/scienceguys/2000May.cfm#:~:text=In the equation%2C E %3D m c,per second ) multiplied by itself.          

E = m c².

In the equation, E = m c², E stands for energy, m stands for an object’s mass, and c² represents the speed of light ( 186,000 miles per second ) multiplied by itself. Think of mass as simply the quantity of matter present. Energy is a tougher concept, but it is okay to think of it as a property of heat or light. The equation is known as the mass-energy equivalence relationship. Before Einstein’s radical thoughts, mass and energy were thought to be very different things. Today, physicists see that there is no fundamental difference between mass and energy. To quote Einstein himself in his 1905 article on relativity published in the Annalen der Physik; "The mass of an object is a measure of its energy content." One of the basic laws in physics is the conservation of energy law (the amount of energy in the universe remains constant, only changing in form). In working out his theory of relativity, Einstein found that mass must be related to energy, in essence, mass is "congealed energy." This is certainly a surprising result.

Edited August 10 by lightly