Does the sixth sense exist?

[XenoFish]

I swear some of the people here would tell a schizophrenic to listen to the "angels" they're hearing. Only to find out that it cost them their lives doing so. Of course there would be no remorse on their part.

[papageorge1]

17 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

There is of course a reason why you're watching videos of this instead of reading scientific papers about it...  If this was true it would be effortless to test.

Basically, it is effortless to test as shown in the video.

My oft stated position is that paranormal/cryptozoological/alien things have been relegated to the fringe by mainstream society and science.  Why that is becomes another discussion. Many people prefer hearing it's all faked.

“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

― Nikola Tesla

 

Edited July 30 by papageorge1

[MrsGently]

21 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I'm sure I'd get run over at the first intersection with my eyes closed. But I believe you. Do see the video I posted just above. Is this like what you are talking about.

No, I am more an intuitive navigation fan. This is I think different.

[MrsGently]

5 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Basically, it is effortless to test as shown in the video.

My oft stated position is that paranormal/cryptozoological/alien things have been relegated to the fringe by mainstream society and science.  Why that is becomes another discussion. Many people prefer hearing it's all faked.

 

It's scary to them even though it's pretty natural. But that's just how the pendulum swings and it can be dangerous too.

Like 19th century I believe with the "invention of science" and discovery of electricity there was also a boom in seances and all kinds of spiritual esoteric stuff, and it's just a matter of fact that it drives people insane if you overdo it. You get all kinds of delusions how powerful you are if you don't watch it.

 

[+Liquid Gardens]

13 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Basically, it is effortless to test as shown in the video.

So you really think the video you saw was a scientific experiment? 

14 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

My oft stated position is that paranormal/cryptozoological/alien things have been relegated to the fringe by mainstream society and science. 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with this.  You seriously think that there's not enough interest in curing blindness in society?  If it works, I doubt anyone gives a rip if it's paranormal or alien, scientists would be clamoring to study this, the fact that they are apparently are not is an issue if one believes this to be real.  But of course you're already offering up potential excuses for failures; if we ask a blind person to read something and they cannot maybe it's because they haven't meditated enough or their 'left brain' has become too dominant, etc.  In other words, the usual song and dance.

[papageorge1]

4 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

So you really think the video you saw was a scientific experiment? 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with this.  You seriously think that there's not enough interest in curing blindness in society?  If it works, I doubt anyone gives a rip if it's paranormal or alien, scientists would be clamoring to study this, the fact that they are apparently are not is an issue if one believes this to be real.  But of course you're already offering up potential excuses for failures; if we ask a blind person to read something and they cannot maybe it's because they haven't meditated enough or their 'left brain' has become too dominant, etc.  In other words, the usual song and dance.

There is plenty of desire within science to cure things but the schools and universities only teach researchers what they know. 

Why are these examples presented not valid and getting more attention?? I wonder the same question. Are you saying what we are seeing is all faked and misleading. Fine, that is possible but show it. Has that step even really happened in earnest? Or is it the 'nothing to see here' and 'not worth studying' and 'this is all quackery and pseudoscience' attitudes towards fringe claims?

 

“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

― Nikola Tesla

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

There is plenty of desire within science to cure things but the schools and universities only teach researchers what they know. 

Thank god then that researchers are not solely dependent on things schools and universities have to teach them. 

It's right in the word, "research", there'd be no reason to do that if researchers were bound what is currently known...  This is another one of your examples where, if it was actually true, it really doesn't take much of an experiment to show this phenomenon happens.  Under controlled conditions a blind person being able to read something is massive news, there are 43 million blind people in the world, your hand-waving about it being too 'fringe' to look into doesn't hold water given that impact and interest.

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Why are these examples presented not valid and getting more attention??

Really?  You're asking why aren't obscure videos on the internet that you've found getting more attention?  You really don't understand why, can't think of any legitimate reason (not including your made-up psychological 'just so' stories about scientists, academia, etc)? 

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Are you saying what we are seeing is all faked and misleading. Fine, that is possible but show it. Has that step even really happened in earnest? Or is it the 'nothing to see here' and 'not worth studying' and 'this is all quackery and pseudoscience' attitudes towards fringe claims?

It's called the burden of proof and has been discussed with you many times.  You show that this is accurate as presented, you're expecting researchers to chase these people down because of a 15 minute video?  How about you 'show' that any of your anecdotes that you count as evidence are accurate? 

I once saw a video of a guy I think from India knocking people down using 'chi' I think without even touching them.  Then I saw another video with a skeptic and the same guru and his chi power didn't work at all on him.  In other words, if a researcher were to spend time looking into the first video, they would have wasted their time.

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”

― Nikola Tesla

"There's a sucker born every minute"

- PT Barnum (attributed to)

 

[papageorge1]

13 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Thank god then that researchers are not solely dependent on things schools and universities have to teach them. 

It's right in the word, "research", there'd be no reason to do that if researchers were bound what is currently known...  This is another one of your examples where, if it was actually true, it really doesn't take much of an experiment to show this phenomenon happens.  Under controlled conditions a blind person being able to read something is massive news, there are 43 million blind people in the world, your hand-waving about it being too 'fringe' to look into doesn't hold water given that impact and interest.

Really?  You're asking why aren't obscure videos on the internet that you've found getting more attention?  You really don't understand why, can't think of any legitimate reason (not including your made-up psychological 'just so' stories about scientists, academia, etc)? 

It's called the burden of proof and has been discussed with you many times.  You show that this is accurate as presented, you're expecting researchers to chase these people down because of a 15 minute video?  How about you 'show' that any of your anecdotes that you count as evidence are accurate? 

I once saw a video of a guy I think from India knocking people down using 'chi' I think without even touching them.  Then I saw another video with a skeptic and the same guru and his chi power didn't work at all on him.  In other words, if a researcher were to spend time looking into the first video, they would have wasted their time.

"There's a sucker born every minute"

- PT Barnum (attributed to)

 

So you think this whole phenomena is this 15 minute video?? Or you are more likely trying your best to downplay the whole subject. There are actually schools where parents are paying and enrolling their kids. 

I think you actually did a nice job of showing why the drag against super-abilities is so persistent.

They show this with very simple informal experiments. Whether there are formal experiments done too I have not yet looked into in my spare time.

My best judgment is that these abilities are real. I predict these abilities will be accepted as real in the future. 

I think your take is if these are real abilities, then why is science not all over them in earnest. I wonder the same thing too, but I have given my best understanding as to why these things move at a snail pace. 

[Antigonos]

3 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

My thought is that we are more than the physical body and are also Etheric, Astral, Mental and Causal (soul) bodies.

These subtle bodies have senses that can detect what the physical senses cannot. 

I knew you were going to say something exactly like this.

I must have ESP.

[Piney]

2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

There is plenty of desire within science to cure things but the schools and universities only teach researchers what they know. 

 Really? Do you know many medical researchers? This is a ****ing insult out of sheer ignorance.

 My stepmother was allowed to go full out with her radical cancer treatment ideas and managed to cure lymphoma in horses when they were just outright euthanized after contracting it. 

 

[Piney]

5 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Maybe they're looking in the wrong place.

 

Your Second Brain

The Gut-Brain Connection

The gut-brain connection is complex and bidirectional. Signals pass both ways between your digestive system and central nervous system, and health or disease in one can affect the other. Key players in this connection include your enteric nervous system, your vagus nerve and your gut microbiome.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/the-gut-brain-connection

https://neuroscience.stanford.edu/news/your-gut-second-brain

https://neuroscience.ubc.ca/our-second-brain-more-than-a-gut-feeling/

https://www.wired.com/story/gut-second-brain-health-glial-cells-digestion-disease-pain/

 

 

One of my medical researcher friends first told me about this when he put together my diet to try to restore my microbiome and put my celiac in remission. 

[+Liquid Gardens]

3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

There are actually schools where parents are paying and enrolling their kids. 

Do you have a website for these schools I can look at where I can see exactly what they claim can be done?  Not another video, most businesses have websites.

4 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I think you actually did a nice job of showing why the drag against super-abilities is so persistent.

There is no 'drag' against super-abilities, there just isn't any good evidence they exist.

4 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

They show this with very simple informal experiments. Whether there are formal experiments done too I have not yet looked into in my spare time.

Ha, well that is what you should look for obviously, but you do a 'nice job' pretty consistently of not understanding the scientific method and its value so I understand why you don't even have spare time for it.

6 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I think your take is if these are real abilities, then why is science not all over them in earnest.

Isn't that the most obvious and pertinent take?  To me it is on just about everything you believe, at least the ones that are unfalsifiable by definition.  This one especially is unexplainable if it was true, these aren't just unexaminable anecdotes/stories, this is a claim about what people can do now and could be researched, pretty easily at least as far as determining whether it's even a phenomenon.  Blind people exist worldwide, your notions about being labelled as 'fringe' and purported bias of researchers and all that already strains believability when referring to the US, and is utterly unrealistic on a global scale.  Lots of different countries have researchers.

18 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I wonder the same thing too, but I have given my best understanding as to why these things move at a snail pace. 

It's your best understanding given that you're making a big assumption:  what you see on videos is likely accurate.  The thing is your excuses don't really apply in this case.  If there is no research on this there are still patients, parents and doctors.  I'd bet a parent whose blind child can now read things and sort cards isn't going to be bothered about publicizing that, and given that there are as you say whole schools that are being paid for there'd be a lot of these examples, seems like some of those examples may be interested in more scientific research.

And as always, you selectively shut off your evaluation of 'bias' as soon as we talk about videos like this.  Researchers are biased by thinking this is too fringe and by their disinterest, but you never even mention the possibility that maybe these videos are being put together partly because of money?  You do notice the ads in videos you see on the internet and understand that it indicates monetization? 

[+Desertrat56]

3 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I swear some of the people here would tell a schizophrenic to listen to the "angels" they're hearing. Only to find out that it cost them their lives doing so. Of course there would be no remorse on their part.

I know you were just commenting on how some people want everything to be "love and light" instead of unexplainable or something we don't understand, but I haven't seen very many of those people here so who are you pointing at with such a specific example?

In the 90's I hung out with a group of women that included a schizophrenic woman (functional, unmedicated) who went with us to the movies one night, my brother went along as well.   She told me she wanted to get to know him better because he was the first man she had met that had as many angels as she did.   I told her "We don't call them angels and you stay away from him."  (for one thing he was mid 20's and she was over 40).   Luckily she didn't even get an invitation to have a conversation with him, his "demons" recognized hers were big trouble.   None of us know what is actually going on in anyone else's mind.  And my story is not to say that schizophrenics are all demon possessed, everyone needs to pay attention and sometimes people get misdiagnosed and the drugs they are given make things worse instead of better.  If the doctor says "Let's try..." RUN!

Edited July 30 by Desertrat56

[+Desertrat56]

4 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I guess schizophrenics are just psychics. 

No.  Do you have a dictionary?

[Piney]

3 hours ago, MrsGently said:

You get all kinds of delusions how powerful you are if you don't watch it.

First rule of Shamanism. Never believe your own bull**** lines.

 

[Piney]

4 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

Meditation seems to be a key to unlocking these abilities. 

Yet you say you don't meditate even though it's part of your claimed religion. 

[papageorge1]

13 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Do you have a website for these schools I can look at where I can see exactly what they claim can be done? 

Quick Search found Extra Ocular Vision Camp

[papageorge1]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

Yet you say you don't meditate even though it's part of your claimed religion. 

 

Let's not make another thread to be about me. But anyway I don't even claim a religion just philosophies I have come to appreciate.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, papageorge1 said:

 

Let's not make another thread to be about me. But anyway I don't even claim a religion just philosophies I have come to appreciate.

You claim Advaita Vedanta.

Now start meditating and show us some tricks. 

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Quick Search found Extra Ocular Vision Camp

@Sherapy Check this gem out. 

[papageorge1]

Just now, Piney said:

You claim Advaita Vedanta.

Now start meditating and show us some tricks. 

If you knew the teachings, performing tricks for the curiosity of others is actually forbidden.

I am satisfied with knowing they exist.

[+Liquid Gardens]

3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Quick Search found Extra Ocular Vision Camp

Thanks for the link.  From what I can find, including on wiki which talks about using your fingers to 'read', this has not been demonstrated scientifically, which would of course be the first step. Can't study something that can't be demonstrated, and again if this was true there's no reason why it couldn't be demonstrated. And despite what you claim researchers do study this stuff and recently:

Quote

In 2010, an Italian lady known as R. G. who claimed she could peer inside sealed boxes with X-ray vision to describe what is inside was tested at the University of Pavia by Massimo Polidoro, chemist Luigi Garlaschelli and physicist Adalberto Piazzoli. Twelve objects were selected and placed in wooden boxes. She failed the test, getting only one object correct.^[12]

 

[XenoFish]

14 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

No.  Do you have a dictionary?

It was sarcasm. The fact that people like PG1 enable those with mental illness is sickening. Been on too many occult forums over the years. Seen it too much.  Trying to be a voice of reason gets you banned. 

[XenoFish]

2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

If you knew the teachings, performing tricks for the curiosity of others is actually forbidden.

I am satisfied with knowing they exist.

You don't know they exist though. 

[Piney]

1 minute ago, papageorge1 said:

If you knew the teachings, performing tricks for the curiosity of others is actually forbidden.

I am satisfied with knowing they exist.

COP-OUT!!!!