Does the sixth sense exist?

[papageorge1]

2 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Thanks for the link.  From what I can find, including on wiki which talks about using your fingers to 'read', this has not been demonstrated scientifically, which would of course be the first step. Can't study something that can't be demonstrated, and again if this was true there's no reason why it couldn't be demonstrated. And despite what you claim researchers do study this stuff and recently:

 

They are also teaching and claiming blindfolded vision without touch. I saw the demonstration in a video.

Edited July 30 by papageorge1

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Thanks for the link.  From what I can find, including on wiki which talks about using your fingers to 'read', this has not been demonstrated scientifically, which would of course be the first step. Can't study something that can't be demonstrated, and again if this was true there's no reason why it couldn't be demonstrated. And despite what you claim researchers do study this stuff and recently:

The link claims it was approved by a neuro scientist named Jacobo Grinberg. The problem is he's been missing since 1994.

[XenoFish]

23 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I know you were just commenting on how some people want everything to be "love and light" instead of unexplainable or something we don't understand, but I haven't seen very many of those people here so who are you pointing at with such a specific example?

In the 90's I hung out with a group of women that included a schizophrenic woman (functional, unmedicated) who went with us to the movies one night, my brother went along as well.   She told me she wanted to get to know him better because he was the first man she had met that had as many angels as she did.   I told her "We don't call them angels and you stay away from him."  (for one thing he was mid 20's and she was over 40).   Luckily she didn't even get an invitation to have a conversation with him, his "demons" recognized hers were big trouble.   None of us know what is actually going on in anyone else's mind.  And my story is not to say that schizophrenics are all demon possessed, everyone needs to pay attention and sometimes people get misdiagnosed and the drugs they are given make things worse instead of better.  If the doctor says "Let's try..." RUN!

You weren't here when something like that occurred. Thankfully the lady got her mother in a nursing home. She had dementia. The enabling is seen more on occult and psychic forums. I'm hyper aggressive against it. 

Individuals with mental illness need proper care and solid support. 

[+Desertrat56]

3 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You weren't here when something like that occurred. Thankfully the lady got her mother in a nursing home. She had dementia. The enabling is seen more on occult and psychic forums. I'm hyper aggressive against it. 

Individuals with mental illness need proper care and solid support. 

I agree with you about that.   In our country (maybe all the UK colony countries) mental health care is severly lacking.   Sometimes someone just needs a little help but they don't get it for various reasons so things just get exponentially worse until the person can't function.

[Piney]

9 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You weren't here when something like that occurred. Thankfully the lady got her mother in a nursing home. She had dementia. The enabling is seen more on occult and psychic forums. I'm hyper aggressive against it. 

Individuals with mental illness need proper care and solid support. 

I think we tag teamed on that one if it's the situation I remember.

[XenoFish]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

I think we tag teamed on that one if it's the situation I remember.

Yep. The lady pm'd afterwards.

 

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[+Liquid Gardens]

20 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

They are also teaching and claiming blindfolded vision without touch. I saw the demonstration in a video.

Yep, and like I said I saw someone demonstrate knocking someone down by using chi and not touching them too.  "In a video".

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Yep, and like I said I saw someone demonstrate knocking someone down by using chi and not touching them too.  "In a video".

Reminds me of John Chang (dynamo jack).

[papageorge1]

14 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Yep, and like I said I saw someone demonstrate knocking someone down by using chi and not touching them too.  "In a video".

So are all the people in all these blindfold videos creating intentional fraud? Finding a normal way of seeing around or through the masks? Can they not make a blindfold to do its job?
 

That becomes even harder to believe the more videos I’ve seen.

 

[Abramelin]

23 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Yep, and like I said I saw someone demonstrate knocking someone down by using chi and not touching them too.  "In a video".

I remember that. There were some scientists, Italian and Dutch (?) who tested this American guy.

He wasn't able to knock the Italian guy down with his chi. The Italian guy stood with eyes closed....

Later on this con master traid to explain his failure by saying the Italian guy must have had the tip of his tongue against his palate, and by that closing or locking his internal chi.

Yeah, right.

Btw., I studied Traditional Chinese Medicine ("acupuncture" ) for several years, so I know exactly what he was talking about.

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[+Hammerclaw]

Every mischievous man-child grows up knowing mothers have a "sixth sense."

[XenoFish]

8 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

That becomes even harder to believe the more videos I’ve seen.

We'd expect no less. Giving the massive amount of critical thinking you do.....

[+Liquid Gardens]

10 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

So are all the people in all these blindfold videos creating intentional fraud? Finding a normal way of seeing around or through the masks? Can they not make a blindfold to do its job?

I don't know anything about 'all the people', neither do you.  There were plenty of people in the room in the video I saw of the chi master too.  One of the clips from your video shows a kid with a blindfold with a plastic sword or something slowly blocking swings from someone else.  We have no idea what the context of that is, maybe it was choreographed and the kid was being tested if he could do it blindfolded, I don't think we had some testimonial from the kid himself saying "I can see paranormally without using sight, that's how I'm blocking these sword swings".  

14 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

That becomes even harder to believe the more videos I’ve seen.

A million pieces of crappy evidence sums to a pile of crap, not something compelling. 

I mean I knew your standards were vastly different for videos you see that show something you desire to be true versus those that are critical of it, but this example is an eye-opener.  This isn't a claim about the unfalsifiable Mandela Effect, this isn't a ghost story or some irreproducible ESP experiment from decades ago, this isn't one of the 'you had to be there' examples.  This claim is that it can be done now, it doesn't depend on your due consideration, this is a very rare one where it can be demonstrated today.  But you seemingly don't bat an eye that you are finding out about this from obscure internet videos and not from people in the scientific community and major newscasts. 

Why wouldn't these schools themselves be encouraging tons of scientists to study this, wouldn't knowing how this works be a boon to millions of blind people?  Are they that selfish and if they were, scientific verification of this would bring them tons of fame and money to fulfill that selfishness if that was the case?  Why can you see biases, even when they are mostly imagined or ignorant, about the scientific community but can't fathom that people who make money from videos and schools may be motivated to produce exaggerated videos?  I mean you think the question, 'why would there be so many videos if this were not real?', is relevant, so why don't you ever bring up, let alone address, these other far more relevant questions I mention above?

[Michelle]

25 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Every mischievous man-child grows up knowing mothers have a "sixth sense."

We never lose it when it comes to our husbands either. 😄

[the13bats]

7 hours ago, MrsGently said:

That's the thing, it finds you or it doesn't. If you go looking for it you'll find a lot of traps and red herings. It's best to just be and float and "clean your laboratory" from the dirty socks aka biases and spiritual indoctrinations we all have one way or another. To free yourself as much as possible from kneejerk reactions and the wish to control your environment...

The old Greeks used to say lucky are those the gods ignore, so maybe you are just one of the lucky ones.

 

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“I’ve flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I’ve seen a lot of strange stuff… but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe… there’s one all-powerful force controlling everything. There’s no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. It’s all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.”

Stupid funning aside,

You are not the first to tell me stuff like that it's not that I'm closed minded or Iack magical gifts.
I'm very open to being presented with supporting evidence
But I've done my time in the real world hands on research in many areas and I haven't seen a shread unless it's what a person wants to believe but beliefs are not facts so for now all I have are claims and stories and I respect those who find that enough.

[Abramelin]

As soon as something cannot be witnessed with the use of our regular senses, but is being recorded anyway, then it must be paranormal.

But our regular senses are more acute than many think. As soon as you put on blindfolds, all other senses become hyper-sensitive. And that's because we are a species that depends mainly on sight (and brains).

Btw., our eyes evolved from skin-cells.

Creationists are still unable to fathom that .

[XenoFish]

13 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Btw., our eyes evolved from skin-cells.

Consider the first part of us that developed was the anus. Meaning that we're all *******s.

[papageorge1]

10 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I don't know anything about 'all the people', neither do you.  There were plenty of people in the room in the video I saw of the chi master too.  One of the clips from your video shows a kid with a blindfold with a plastic sword or something slowly blocking swings from someone else.  We have no idea what the context of that is, maybe it was choreographed and the kid was being tested if he could do it blindfolded, I don't think we had some testimonial from the kid himself saying "I can see paranormally without using sight, that's how I'm blocking these sword swings".  

 

Let's stick to the simplest examples like at 3:00 in this video

 

Not getting why you started suggesting the school was restricting or discouraging scientific inquiry. I see their website highlights the pioneering work of at least a couple scientists.

[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Let's stick to the simplest examples like at 3:00 in this video

I'd almost 100% bet those children were coached. The whole thing being a stunt and I might've gotten brain damage from it. I bet you're one of those people who believed the show Psychic Kids was legit. 

[papageorge1]

Just now, XenoFish said:

I'd almost 100% bet those children were coached. The whole thing being a stunt and I might've gotten brain damage from it. I bet you're one of those people who believed the show Psychic Kids was legit. 

How do you coach someone to read blindfolded? Or are you saying 'intentional fraud?

Believe it or not I didn't watch Psychic Kids. I would predict a very difference of opinion is out there.

[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

How do you coach someone to read blindfolded? Or are you saying 'intentional fraud?

Believe it or not I didn't watch Psychic Kids. I would predict a very difference of opinion is out there.

Intentional fraud. All the kids needed to do was memorize the cards, especially if it was set up. As for the reading, braille. Basically an intentional fraud. Well George, I've got a magic quarter I'll sell you for $50,000. It levitates, grants wishes, and it'll even return to your pocket if you lose it.  

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Let's stick to the simplest examples like at 3:00 in this video

 

Not getting why you started suggesting the school was restricting or discouraging scientific inquiry. I see their website highlights the pioneering work of at least a couple scientists.

The one that has been missing since 1994 was the only one I saw.

@Liquid Gardens

Indian Cultural Forum

'Blindfolded seeing: Story of a scam' 

Narenda Nayak Dec. 26, 2019

Nayak is on the ball and did his homework. 

[Piney]

11 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I'd almost 100% bet those children were coached. The whole thing being a stunt and I might've gotten brain damage from it. I bet you're one of those people who believed the show Psychic Kids was legit. 

 

Just now, Piney said:

 

@Liquid Gardens

Indian Cultural Forum

'Blindfolded seeing: Story of a scam' 

Narenda Nayak Dec. 26, 2019

Nayak is on the ball and did his homework. 

 

[papageorge1]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Intentional fraud. All the kids needed to do was memorize the cards, especially if it was set up. As for the reading, braille. Basically an intentional fraud. Well George, I've got a magic quarter I'll sell you for $50,000. It levitates, grants wishes, and it'll even return to your pocket if you lose it.  

I've seen enough videos already to give the children in on an intentional fraud much of a realistic chance. My take. Even in that video the interviewer wrote a word on the spot that the children read quickly and easily.  He's in on it too of course. 

[XenoFish]

Just now, papageorge1 said:

I've seen enough videos already to give the children in on an intentional fraud much of a realistic chance. My take. Even in that video the interviewer wrote a word on the spot that the children read quickly and easily.  He's in on it too of course. 

You really are a gullible individual (I used a nice word). Sure I'm sure the quantity, quality, and consistency of the confirmation bias you operate under is good enough for you. Just because you've read 100,000 stories or watched 100,000 that doesn't mean you've actually applied a single drop of actual skepticism. You're too much of an armchair believer for that.