Does the sixth sense exist?

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Twenties. 

That’s cool dude, you should be Grandfather pretty soon.

[Piney]

16 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

That’s cool dude, you should be Grandfather pretty soon.

 I am one already. I have 4. 

Sunday I go play with the youngest after Meeting. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

 I am one already. I have 4. 

Sunday I go play with the youngest after Meeting. 

Your certainly a very lucky man.

[Piney]

5 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Your certainly a very lucky man.

Not really. Except when it comes to the grandchildren.

My step kids are derelicts who hate me. 

[papageorge1]

12 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Okay, then I'll go back to the first two words I said there:  "Okay, and?".  You had said this:  "Let's stick to the simplest examples like at 3:00 in this video".  Was I wrong to assume that you were providing something you thought was evidence or decent and was making some point?  Because if you would have mentioned when you posted it that you don't consider it truly 'anything close' to proof, I wouldn't have bothered watching it and would have instead asked why you'd even bother posting the link if you think it's that weak.

That video was an example of what they can do with these blindfold masks. I still consider the whole collection of these demonstrations to be very strong evidence. Any attempt at proof I understand will certainly be met with allegations of cheating or incompetence, so even that is not the big deal with me. I am not that familiarized with all the experiments that have been done to verify this, but I have seen enough to believe it almost certainly happens.

12 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

I guess I'm confused then, 95+% is pretty close to 'proof' but you're saying the link you provided above isn't 'anything close' to proof.  What other evidence is closer to proof that gets you to 95+% concerning these cases with specially designed goggles?

As I've said, it is not based on any one link but the full collection of things I've seen. Google the subject, search on YouTube, look at training books, etcetera. 

12 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

 

Here's the current summary:

• There have been instances of proven frauds who have claimed something very similar to this apparently with the goal of profit.
• If there was a way to actually teach blind children to read and see things, paranormal or not, it's absolutely absurd that this fact is hidden from the scientific community, experts and potential patients, worldwide.
• There have been studies of non-visual seeing and there have been lots of failures.

You on the other hand seem to just have faith that this video is accurate in its claims about these specially designed goggles.  You've never met any of these people in the video, you have never examined these goggles, you were not present for the 'informal' 'experiments'.  It is reasonable to assume that the same claims about how there is no way for any light to get in these goggles were made about the earlier 'blindfold seeing' claims that turned out to be cheating. 

You like to analogize to the judicial system, do you have reasonable evidenced arguments against my points above that take us 'beyond a reasonable doubt'?  Because I think the points above provide more than ample reason to question.  While we're playing Law and Order, as far as 'could it be faked', you have motive (money and attention), means (this takes very little effort to fake), and opportunity (see my quote earlier from Barnum).

 

Your claims that I am basing it on one video is becoming disingenuous by now.

Any by now I can give you list of things in the paranormal/alien/crypto fields that I am disappointed that science is not all over in earnest studying. It seems to move in stages from denial, to respectable pioneers, to general acknowledgment. I would say in the controversial fields I listed just now we are at the overlap stage between the denial stage and respectable pioneers stage. So mainstream society is in a duel. And that's where it's at today. That's my honest take. 

[XenoFish]

12 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Any by now I can give you list of things in the paranormal/alien/crypto fields that I am disappointed that science is not all over in earnest studying.

Do it.

[papageorge1]

6 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Do it.

Just off the top of my head:

Alien mummies

Blindfolded Vision

Bigfoot and its DNA

Mediumship and Communication with the dead

Crop Circles

Psychic Abilities

Physical Mediumship

Whatever else is not jumping quickly to mind.

 

The overlap of the societal stages of the denial stage and early pioneer stage is going on in my opinion.

I understand your denial stage 'there is nothing real here to study'. I predict the next generation will have grown up hearing about these things and will be more open-minded and progress will slowly be made.

 

 

 

 

[+Desertrat56]

5 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Just off the top of my head:

Alien mummies

Blindfolded Vision

Bigfoot and its DNA

Mediumship and Communication with the dead

Crop Circles

Psychic Abilities

Physical Mediumship

Whatever else is not jumping quickly to mind.

 

The overlap of the societal stages of the denial stage and early pioneer stage is going on in my opinion.

I understand your denial stage 'there is nothing real here to study'. I predict the next generation will have grown up hearing about these things and will be more open-minded and progress will slowly be made.

 

 

 

 

I know the "alien mummies" have been examined scientifically and have all been babies with birth defects or hoaxes.   There is no bigfoot dna to test, every piece of big foot people claim to have found has been tested and found to be something that we already know of.   Science is available to any of those who claim to have bigfoot hair or bones or what ever.   Scientists have also studied crop circles and have easily determined which ones are hoaxes and which ones are mysterious (most are hoaxes but not all).  The rest on your list will never be studied by scientists until it is mainstream (and it will be eventually) to consider the possibility that our consciousness does not reside in our brain.

Edited August 1 by Desertrat56

[papageorge1]

7 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I know the "alien mummies" have been examined scientifically and have all been babies with birth defects or hoaxes.   There is no bigfoot dna to test, every piece of big foot people claim to have found has been tested and found to be something that we already know of.   Science is available to any of those who claim to have bigfoot hair or bones or what ever.   Scientists have also studied crop circles and have easily determined which ones are hoaxes and which ones are mysterious (most are hoaxes but not all).  The rest on your list will never be studied by scientists until it is mainstream (and it will be eventually) to consider the possibility that our consciousness does not reside in our brain.

Each one is a lengthy discussion and we might disagree on some of them. I was giving my list of what I think science should tackle in earnest and not intending to address the individual subjects in this discussion.

[XenoFish]

18 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Just off the top of my head:

Alien mummies

Blindfolded Vision

Bigfoot and its DNA

Mediumship and Communication with the dead

Crop Circles

Psychic Abilities

Physical Mediumship

Whatever else is not jumping quickly to mind.

 

The overlap of the societal stages of the denial stage and early pioneer stage is going on in my opinion.

I understand your denial stage 'there is nothing real here to study'. I predict the next generation will have grown up hearing about these things and will be more open-minded and progress will slowly be made.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, there's been quite a bit of research done on those subjects with a fat nothing burger coming from them. I mean if you played skeptic once in a while you'd know that. 

[papageorge1]

Just now, XenoFish said:

Yeah, there's been quite a bit of research done on those subjects with a fat nothing burger coming from them. I mean if you played skeptic once in a while you'd know that. 

So says the denialist. I listen to all sides and form my position.

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, papageorge1 said:

I listen to all sides and form my position.

I really wish that was true. You're just too bias for that. 

[XenoFish]

19 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

The rest on your list will never be studied by scientists until it is mainstream (and it will be eventually) to consider the possibility that our consciousness does not reside in our brain.

Psychic abilities have been researched and studied. It has the same problem as ghost, no consistency. Plus extremely hard to replicate.

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Psychic abilities have been researched and studied. It has the same problem as ghost, no consistency. Plus extremely hard to replicate.

I've been chomping at the bit for a thread about Zen Warrior Monks and their "psychic" abilities. All the videos and writings are just so facepalm it's seems like these "researchers" never even studied the basics. 

[XenoFish]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

I've been chomping at the bit for a thread about Zen Warrior Monks and their "psychic" abilities. All the videos and writings are just so facepalm it's seems like these "researchers" never even studied the basics. 

A lot of supposed psychic abilities are just fine tuned instinct and pattern recognition. I leave psychokinetics on the table though. 

[+Liquid Gardens]

2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

Your claims that I am basing it on one video is becoming disingenuous by now.

False.  Go ahead and quote me where I said you were basing anything on one video.  You are the one who provided this one video so that's what I'm responding to.

2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

As I've said, it is not based on any one link but the full collection of things I've seen.

Maybe I'm just paying closer attention to what you're typing than you are.  We started with just comments about blind seeing.  Frauds using blindfolds were noted, and you replied I think that this criticism doesn't apply to these 'specially designed goggles', and that is what you just said your 95%+ was specifically concerning.  Is there really a lot of material specific to these 'specially designed goggles'?

2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

Any by now I can give you list of things in the paranormal/alien/crypto fields that I am disappointed that science is not all over in earnest studying. It seems to move in stages from denial, to respectable pioneers, to general acknowledgment.

But you also say that there are parapsychologists who study this stuff, so why aren't you complaining to them about this?  Why wouldn't they study this stuff?  What in the 'paranormal/alien/crypto' as moved to 'general acknowledgment'?

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Each one is a lengthy discussion and we might disagree on some of them.

I don't think that's true either, 'in my due consideration all this paranormal stuff is real' is a short conversation, one we've had many times.

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Psychic abilities have been researched and studied. It has the same problem as ghost, no consistency. Plus extremely hard to replicate.

Yes, strangely unlike almost every other human skill or talent, there is no one who is very good at using their psychic powers.

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 hours ago, Piney said:

Not really. Except when it comes to the grandchildren.

My step kids are derelicts who hate me. 

I was talking about having grandchildren I would give anything to be where you are my friend it just was not in the cards!!

[XenoFish]

1 hour ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Yes, strangely unlike almost every other human skill or talent, there is no one who is very good at using their psychic powers.

Intuition and empathy are often claimed to be psychic abilities, except they're not. 

[Piney]

40 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I was talking about having grandchildren I would give anything to be where you are my friend it just was not in the cards!!

3 of them are by Asian/ Amerind relationship. My sister's grandchildren are mine. One is from the stepdaughter who stole a few hundred grand from her mother than lost custody of her kid for being a loser.

[+Desertrat56]

22 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

Each one is a lengthy discussion and we might disagree on some of them. I was giving my list of what I think science should tackle in earnest and not intending to address the individual subjects in this discussion.

And I was pointing out that your list includes things that science has already tackled.   

[Green Devil]

On 7/30/2024 at 3:41 PM, papageorge1 said:

My thought is that we are more than the physical body and are also Etheric, Astral, Mental and Causal (soul) bodies.

These subtle bodies have senses that can detect what the physical senses cannot. 

we're not only our physical bodies

[Green Devil]

On 8/1/2024 at 4:21 PM, papageorge1 said:

Just off the top of my head:

Alien mummies

Blindfolded Vision

Bigfoot and its DNA

Mediumship and Communication with the dead

Crop Circles

Psychic Abilities

Physical Mediumship

Whatever else is not jumping quickly to mind.

 

The overlap of the societal stages of the denial stage and early pioneer stage is going on in my opinion.

I understand your denial stage 'there is nothing real here to study'. I predict the next generation will have grown up hearing about these things and will be more open-minded and progress will slowly be made.

 

 

 

 

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-the-military-ran-its-1970s-psychic-intelligence-programmany-memos-naturally 

military psychic intelliegence program

[Green Devil]

On 8/1/2024 at 7:26 PM, XenoFish said:

Intuition and empathy are often claimed to be psychic abilities, except they're not. 

Telepathy and telekinisis

[+Desertrat56]

2 hours ago, Green Devil said:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-the-military-ran-its-1970s-psychic-intelligence-programmany-memos-naturally 

military psychic intelliegence program

What is wild is that I was in one of those military units hiding the remote viewers.   When I got out of the army and saw my files I found a lot of redacted pages.   I had no idea why they were redacted, they were my records.