MrsGently Posted July 31 #1 Share Posted July 31 (edited) We in the Western world have gigantic issues when talking about Revelations, because in the Bible it is focused on events unfolding that are if you're generous best described as "cryptic". If you don't have the time to be that nice you can also call it messed up nonsense. The Indian approach is actually where it's at, from my experience, the Kundalini awakening I had set in motion a bunch of revelations which were so intense they felt like mental orgasms. The most beautiful one was when I was sitting on a wood stack with my morning brew watching the horses graze and I started thinking about the metaphysical and mythology and suddenly there were birds and butterflies everywhere and I realised it is all one gigantic web of quintessences. One dot of truth connecting to another dot of truth in another story and so on. The devil lies in the details. That's where all our stories turn false. But if you distill it down to only one encompassing trueism and find the right one to connect it to, it all forms one beautiful veil. It literally felt like an orgasm, just more pure and overwhelmingly beautiful. That is Revelations. If that is happening to everybody chosen. And that is not one certain dot on the timeline that is perpetually ongoing since always. Just like Judgement. There's no point in waiting for it. It is always happening. If I may be honest, the only trueism I found in the New Testament is: be more kind That is how you choose who's agent you become. If you work for team love aiming at justice and equality and constructive furtherance of mankind. Or team hate which only seeks destruction and control down to a complete standstill. Edited July 31 by MrsGently further musings 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 31 #2 Share Posted July 31 I reject the book of revelations. We know it was a letter written by someone to specific people he was contemporary with (don't we?). Once organized Christianity decided to include it and that the meaning of that book is Jesus will come back to earth in order to help kill or convert everyone to the one true religion it becomes a bit of a death cult. Islam falls under this death cult umbrella as well. I consider myself a Christian but don't believe in organized religions in general. In my opinion they are easily corrupted by people desiring power over others and similar in that way to governments. One thing I personally believe is that all religions are in a way true. An individuals relationship with their religion whether it be positive or negative or non-existent is serving some kind of function in their spiritual growth. What I don't accept is presumptuous minutia detailing things no person could possibly know about God and creation that people get absorbed with and argue about insisting that it's true because it's written. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #3 Share Posted July 31 24 minutes ago, OverSword said: I reject the book of revelations. We know it was a letter written by someone to specific people he was contemporary with (don't we?). Once organized Christianity decided to include it and that the meaning of that book is Jesus will come back to earth in order to help kill or convert everyone to the one true religion it becomes a bit of a death cult. Islam falls under this death cult umbrella as well. I consider myself a Christian but don't believe in organized religions in general. In my opinion they are easily corrupted by people desiring power over others and similar in that way to governments. One thing I personally believe is that all religions are in a way true. An individuals relationship with their religion whether it be positive or negative or non-existent is serving some kind of function in their spiritual growth. What I don't accept is presumptuous minutia detailing things no person could possibly know about God and creation that people get absorbed with and argue about insisting that it's true because it's written. Most Christians reject it. It was a Greek style satire plagiarizing Daniel. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 31 #4 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Piney said: Most Christians reject it. It was a Greek style satire plagiarizing Daniel. I don't know about most. From what I see there are a lot of people that believe you must accept every word in the bible as somehow literal truth. I don't believe in dooms day or the end of the world anymore although as a kid I did. Edited July 31 by OverSword 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted July 31 #5 Share Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, Piney said: Most Christians reject it. It was a Greek style satire plagiarizing Daniel. Even with that as the text itself claims it was meant specifically for the audience contemporary to Biblical Jesus and therefore irrelevant to modern times as, per Revelation, modern times shouldn’t exist. cormac 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #6 Share Posted July 31 19 minutes ago, OverSword said: I don't know about most. From what I see there are a lot of people that believe you must accept every word in the bible as somehow literal truth. I don't believe in dooms day or the end of the world anymore although as a kid I did. Bible literalism is a American Evangelical "thing" and you won't find it in any worldwide denominations. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted July 31 #7 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 4 hours ago, MrsGently said: About Revelations I'm sure everyone agrees that I hide my Grammar Nazi tendencies very well. However..... Having 2 words in the title of a thread, and getting one of them wrong, is unforgivable! PS: Congrats to cormac mac airt. Edited July 31 by acute Par for the course 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted July 31 #8 Share Posted July 31 I saw an interesting docu once, that had some strong points showing that Revelations isn't Christian at all. It was stolen from a Jewish sect and rewritten to fit the Christian agenda. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #9 Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, acute said: I'm sure everyone agrees that I hide my Grammar Nazi tendencies very well. However..... Having 2 words in the title of a thread, and getting one of them wrong, is unforgivable! PS: Congrats to cormac mac airt. Oh! Nothing on the schedule today? Baroness Jenkins asked the Cabinet Office about the policy with civil servants wearing BDSM clothing while working. I think you should investigate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 31 #10 Share Posted July 31 The only problem with revelations is the self fulfilling prophecy angle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted July 31 #11 Share Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, Piney said: Baroness Jenkins..... blahblablah Did you do that deliberately? Baroness JENKIN 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #12 Share Posted July 31 Just now, acute said: Did you do that deliberately? Baroness JENKIN Actually that's a Rationalwiki faux pas. Not mine. I just use Twattie Anne. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted July 31 #13 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: The only problem with revelations is the self fulfilling prophecy angle. I don’t think that comes anywhere near to people being told “this only concerns those people alive NOW”, yet being completely ignored in perpetuity. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 31 #14 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: I don’t think that comes anywhere near to people being told “this only concerns those people alive NOW”, yet being completely ignored in perpetuity. cormac How are you going to keep a doomsday cult running? Gotta keep the goal post moving. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted July 31 #15 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Piney said: I just use Twattie Anne. That's "The Right Honourable Twattie Anne" to you. Peasant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #16 Share Posted July 31 16 minutes ago, XenoFish said: The only problem with revelations is the self fulfilling prophecy angle. These crazies want it and even though they are a dying minority they have some serious "intentions" going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #17 Share Posted July 31 26 minutes ago, zep73 said: I saw an interesting docu once, that had some strong points showing that Revelations isn't Christian at all. It was stolen from a Jewish sect and rewritten to fit the Christian agenda. It was literally the Book of Daniel, which was part of a anti Greek Jewish Messianic sect. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted July 31 #18 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Piney said: These crazies want it and even though they are a dying minority they have some serious "intentions" going on. Who are sure taking their time. 2000 years and they’re still lying about it. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #19 Share Posted July 31 8 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Who are sure taking their time. 2000 years and they’re still lying about it. cormac I'm talking about American Evangelicals. John Calvin and Eusebius of Caesarea both thought it was trash. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsGently Posted July 31 Author #20 Share Posted July 31 47 minutes ago, acute said: I'm sure everyone agrees that I hide my Grammar Nazi tendencies very well. However..... Having 2 words in the title of a thread, and getting one of them wrong, is unforgivable! PS: Congrats to cormac mac airt. Can you explain to me what you think the fault was? Because all I see is someone who kneejerked out hard at the title without ever even reading a word of what is said in the OP, that'd be you. Pretty embarrrrrrrrasssssssing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 31 #21 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, MrsGently said: Pretty embarrrrrrrrasssssssing @acute likes doing that to himself. Why else would he drive a Austin Allegro? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted July 31 #22 Share Posted July 31 5 hours ago, MrsGently said: It literally felt like an orgasm, just more pure and overwhelmingly beautiful. OK, I can see how that might require more than one Revelation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 31 #23 Share Posted July 31 No revelations, here. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted July 31 #24 Share Posted July 31 56 minutes ago, MrsGently said: Can you explain to me what you think the fault was? @Piney can probably explain it better than me. When you say 5 hours ago, MrsGently said: That is Revelations. you are clearly alluding to the Bible book, which is singular not plural. Just an observation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 31 #25 Share Posted July 31 4 hours ago, Piney said: Most Christians reject it. It was a Greek style satire plagiarizing Daniel. Which, itself, was a late postexilic work of religious fiction. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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