Are Crop Circles Made by Aliens?

[Green Devil]

On 8/14/2024 at 10:10 PM, papageorge1 said:

What's causing the anatomical anomalies? 

aliens

[Green Devil]

 

Kevin also analyzed the DNA samples from plants in the Argonne circle and found it was considerably more degraded than that of surrounding plants. This suggested some exposure to radiation. Dr. Levengood has also found consistent anomalies in plants from crop circles around the world, including node swelling, cell wall pit enhancement, polyembryony, increased seed germination rates, and variations in oxidation and reduction characteristics. This suggests that the plants affected have been subjected to a short burst of rapid healing and cooling.

 

 

https://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/radioactive.html

[papageorge1]

38 minutes ago, Green Devil said:

aliens

My leading theory comes from channeler of Kryon, Lee Carroll:

(34b) QUESTION: Dear Kryon, I have a question regarding crop circles. We know that some of the crop circles are hoaxes, but many are not, especially the ones that are so mathematically complex that they defy common explanation. The question is, how are these crop circles created, and by whom?

ANSWER: I give you only this for now: (1) Definitely interdimensional. (2) From Humans, but from a different time. (3) The symbology is 12-based math. The messages are to help with peace on Earth. (4) Yes, many are hoaxes.

[ChrLzs]

On 8/16/2024 at 1:01 AM, Desertrat56 said:

you have to admit that some of the really elaborate one could not have been done with rope and posts in one night no matter how many people you had to help

No, I certainly don't.  They often have quite large crews, and the process is carefully planned.  When you've got a rope that is marked to guide you, and a stomping board, you can move quite fast and very accurately. 

Why do you think they are mostly circular?  Hint - read previous paragraph.

 

If you have a particular one in mind, let me know and I'll look into it, or if there is no information on who did it and how, I'll take a long look and if I can, tell you what they did.

[ChrLzs]

13 hours ago, Green Devil said:

Kevin also analyzed the DNA samples from plants in the Argonne circle and found it was considerably more degraded than that of surrounding plants. This suggested some exposure to radiation. Dr. Levengood has also found consistent anomalies in plants from crop circles around the world, including node swelling, cell wall pit enhancement, polyembryony, increased seed germination rates, and variations in oxidation and reduction characteristics. This suggests that the plants affected have been subjected to a short burst of rapid healing and cooling.

https://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/radioactive.html

Look, kudos for citing..  But ... this isn't a peer reviewed paper, and it is impossible to look at the full data so as to verify Dr L's claims.  In order to do so, you don't 'suggest' stuff, you SHOW it, with data and observations and an explanation / proof of the 'cause and effect' that is being claimed, covering topics like the background radiation for that region, and the base data showing unequivocally how it allegedly increases at the crop circle... pretty basic stuff like that is missing..

Your link shows that 'report' was published in a MUFON 'Journal'.  That's not anywhere near a science journal, and it saw ZERO peer review.

The original source document (again, not in a journal?)  appears to be here (note it's a fairly long PDF), and, contradicting your claims, says that:

Quote

A. A greater incidence of microscopic "blisters" on plants inside crop circles than in controls
outside them. lt is not yet clear whether this is due to the fact that the plants inside the formation
experienced a different regime of temperature and humidity than the controls, or to some more
exotic cause (e.g. a "genuine" phenomenon.). A number of unusual molds and types of cellular
damage were also detected.
B. No evidence of anomalous radioactive traces in any of the tested formations.
C. No evidence of anomalous DNA degradation in any of the tested formations.
D. Results indicating that further testing with fluxgate magnetometers may be productive, with
due attention given to potential sources of methodological error

Hmm.  This is hardly big news.  And there's no in depth discussion on how any anomalies were tested to ensure they were unexpected.

 

I'd also point out that while Kevin Folta hasn't been busted for actually falsifying tests and results (and frankly, there is no visible data to question anyway, only claims)...  you might want to look at this, and see how .. er .. trustworthy he might be.  Oh look, here comes Monsanto (and money)...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2015/09/10/what-the-new-york-times-missed-on-kevin-folta-and-monsantos-cultivation-of-academic-scientists/

Interesting.

 

[+Desertrat56]

8 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

No, I certainly don't.  They often have quite large crews, and the process is carefully planned.  When you've got a rope that is marked to guide you, and a stomping board, you can move quite fast and very accurately. 

Why do you think they are mostly circular?  Hint - read previous paragraph.

 

If you have a particular one in mind, let me know and I'll look into it, or if there is no information on who did it and how, I'll take a long look and if I can, tell you what they did.

I already mentioned one, the crabwood crop circle.   Too elaborate to be done with sticks and rope, but maybe could be done with lasers.   

[Essan]

5 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I already mentioned one, the crabwood crop circle.   Too elaborate to be done with sticks and rope, but maybe could be done with lasers.   

Maybe, maybe not.     You'd have to ask a crop circle expert.

Just because you and I cant comprehend how it's possible, doesn't mean it isn't actually quite straightforward to someone who's been doing it for decades.

As an analogy, I don't have the faintest idea how or why  my laptop works, let alone how it manages to magically communicate with yours, instantly.    But that doesn't mean it's alien technology     

[ChrLzs]

5 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I already mentioned one, the crabwood crop circle.   Too elaborate to be done with sticks and rope, but maybe could be done with lasers.   

How elaborate is 'too' elaborate?  In simple terms...

1.  Design your crop circle/s.  Using circles helps to make the process more easily broken down into simple chunks.

2. Map out the instructions.  Each circle has a central pole, with rope/s as required for as many volunteers as you like, or you could use 'laser rulers'.  The ropes can be marked with measurements or perhaps coloured tape to show the volunteer where to flatten.  One person stands at the centre with a map of their circle, and using either those laser pointers or just simple led torches s/he can verify the initial angle with the central co-ordinator calling out instructions as necessary.  Every point within that circle is accurately defined just by an angle and a distance.  You can use a variant of this for non-circular patterns - the same two coordinate system works for anything.  Once you get a feel for the process, it can be done quickly and efficiently, especially if you carefully work out how many volunteers you need - some circles might benefit from 2 or even more central operators, and several 'workers' to do the flattening.

It's all about the planning, basically...

 

I would also note that the crop circle phenomenon was rather brief, as you'd expect from a fad.  Not much happening lately, as they are all pretty well explained..

 

[-Horta]

On 8/24/2024 at 2:06 AM, papageorge1 said:

The messages are to help with peace on Earth. 

Doing an obvious bang up job of it too, they are. lol

[+Desertrat56]

On 8/24/2024 at 8:19 AM, Essan said:

Maybe, maybe not.     You'd have to ask a crop circle expert.

Just because you and I cant comprehend how it's possible, doesn't mean it isn't actually quite straightforward to someone who's been doing it for decades.

As an analogy, I don't have the faintest idea how or why  my laptop works, let alone how it manages to magically communicate with yours, instantly.    But that doesn't mean it's alien technology     

I agree with that and I never said it is proven to be alien technology.  You can go back and read my posts in this thread, at least twice I mentioned the possibility of military experiments.   You are arguing with the wrong person.

[+Desertrat56]

19 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

How elaborate is 'too' elaborate?  In simple terms...

1.  Design your crop circle/s.  Using circles helps to make the process more easily broken down into simple chunks.

2. Map out the instructions.  Each circle has a central pole, with rope/s as required for as many volunteers as you like, or you could use 'laser rulers'.  The ropes can be marked with measurements or perhaps coloured tape to show the volunteer where to flatten.  One person stands at the centre with a map of their circle, and using either those laser pointers or just simple led torches s/he can verify the initial angle with the central co-ordinator calling out instructions as necessary.  Every point within that circle is accurately defined just by an angle and a distance.  You can use a variant of this for non-circular patterns - the same two coordinate system works for anything.  Once you get a feel for the process, it can be done quickly and efficiently, especially if you carefully work out how many volunteers you need - some circles might benefit from 2 or even more central operators, and several 'workers' to do the flattening.

It's all about the planning, basically...

 

I would also note that the crop circle phenomenon was rather brief, as you'd expect from a fad.  Not much happening lately, as they are all pretty well explained..

 

I think both of us would have to be able to stand inside an elaborate crop circle like the crabwood circle to determine the logistics and possibility of making it with boards and roape in one night.   Depending on the time of year the darkness would be different length of time.   Also, if it took lots of people to make it, it would be well known in the area that it was a hoax.   2 people maybe could keep quiet about (but then Doug & Dave didn't keep quiet).   If it was a hoax the hoaxers would be very proud of a circle like the crabwood circle.   No one has come forward as far as I know.   Nowdays it would be very easy to do it with certain types of lasers.  Things the military experiments with before we ever know it exists.   1932 was the first one reported in the 20th century but there were similar crop damage reported earlier.

[Mattacaster]

[-Horta]

I'm wondering if an advanced alien race had a message for us, why would put so much effort into being cryptic and mysterious about it? 

[Kenemet]

56 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I think both of us would have to be able to stand inside an elaborate crop circle like the crabwood circle to determine the logistics and possibility of making it with boards and roape in one night.   Depending on the time of year the darkness would be different length of time.   Also, if it took lots of people to make it, it would be well known in the area that it was a hoax.   2 people maybe could keep quiet about (but then Doug & Dave didn't keep quiet).   If it was a hoax the hoaxers would be very proud of a circle like the crabwood circle.   No one has come forward as far as I know.   Nowdays it would be very easy to do it with certain types of lasers.  Things the military experiments with before we ever know it exists.   1932 was the first one reported in the 20th century but there were similar crop damage reported earlier.

They're not necessarily done at night, and quite often the land owner is "in" on the event.

As to the Crabwood Circle, it's a pretty darn easy setup IF you're someone of my age who did ASCII art on dot matrix printers.  Like this:

Back in the 1980's we did this kind of thing all the time.  It was fun to figure out the symbols (you could do it with just plain dots if you liked) and then print out the results.  It would take some grid paper (representing square feet sections) and a bit of time, but not that hard to do.

[Kenemet]

15 minutes ago, -Horta said:

I'm wondering if an advanced alien race had a message for us, why would put so much effort into being cryptic and mysterious about it? 

And why they'd do something stupid like make crop circles using ASCII code in out of the way places (where they might not be found) when they could just drop a big shiny capsule with a message down in a very populated area or even just show up in person or broadcast/beam a message that could be seen by every one on the planet.

[+Razman]

This one is cool , lot of circles. 409 circles i think.

Edited August 25 by Razman

[Essan]

2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

I agree with that and I never said it is proven to be alien technology.  You can go back and read my posts in this thread, at least twice I mentioned the possibility of military experiments.   You are arguing with the wrong person.

I am not arguing with anyone. 

[ChrLzs]

16 hours ago, Razman said:

This one is cool , lot of circles. 409 circles i think.

I'd bet one person on each 'leg'.  I'd also bet they had sore legs at the end of the night....  But do have a close look, if you think this is some sort of obscure evidence of alien hi-tech.  Note that each leg contains several or more misalignments and misspacings - I've circled a few - just as a human would - was this some sort of deliberate error-making to make it more relatable?  Also note how everything is connected or closely spaced, so the makers could step from one to the next without leaving unwanted treadmarks.

[the13bats]

On 8/24/2024 at 10:02 AM, Desertrat56 said:

I already mentioned one, the crabwood crop circle.   Too elaborate to be done with sticks and rope, but maybe could be done with lasers.   

Idk how it was done but the alien part made it rather laughable

Edited August 26 by the13bats

[the13bats]

I have a documentary on the comp where they ask these geometry geeks to make a pattern that would be hard or impossible for board and rope hoaxers to create,  but a team did it one night itssimilar to what chrlzs posted,

The team said a lot of their art is hailed as impossible for humans to have made

[+Razman]

2 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

I'd bet one person on each 'leg'.  I'd also bet they had sore legs at the end of the night....  But do have a close look, if you think this is some sort of obscure evidence of alien hi-tech.  Note that each leg contains several or more misalignments and misspacings - I've circled a few - just as a human would - was this some sort of deliberate error-making to make it more relatable?  Also note how everything is connected or closely spaced, so the makers could step from one to the next without leaving unwanted treadmarks.

No , i figure it's done by people , but wonder what size crew it would take to do it in one night in the dark. Lot of circles. Some of these circles , its surprising how well the crops flatten with just some boards , one would think they would pop back up , at least some , on their own over time. 

[+Desertrat56]

22 hours ago, Kenemet said:

They're not necessarily done at night, and quite often the land owner is "in" on the event.

As to the Crabwood Circle, it's a pretty darn easy setup IF you're someone of my age who did ASCII art on dot matrix printers.  Like this:

Back in the 1980's we did this kind of thing all the time.  It was fun to figure out the symbols (you could do it with just plain dots if you liked) and then print out the results.  It would take some grid paper (representing square feet sections) and a bit of time, but not that hard to do.

But would it be easy with rope and planks?

[Kenemet]

46 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

But would it be easy with rope and planks?

Wouldn't be that hard.  Get a gang of 5-10 people and just mash and stomp.  You can tie knots in the ropes every x-number of feet.  Then it's just "walk down the line, stomp here (or don't stomp), step forward 5 steps, and do the stomp/don't stomp."  

You can make multiple passes.

[Essan]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

But would it be easy with rope and planks?

For you and me, no.    For someone who has been doing it for decades, who can say?   

That's the point, we shouldn't judge from our own knowledge and experience.  I doubt you or I could carry out a heart transplant regardless of how long we have, but others can do it very successfully in an hour,

[Trelane]

No.