Stone henge evolve version of Gobekli Tepe

[kobolds]

Hi ,

This is another of my crazy ideas .

I think Stone henge is evolve version from Gobekli Tepe.

reason ?

1. both  try  create  circle using stones. 

2. inside circle both contain stones face to face

3. T stone Gobekli Tepe = stone door in Stone henge (represent for each gods/ goddess)

this is my theory , on   Gobekli Tepe circle each T stone mean for lower gods or goddess while 2 T stones on center represent higher gods/goddess .

same with   Stone henge , but stone henge circle bigger , my guess is the increase number of gods / goddess  . the center 4 (or 5 ( indicate increase number of higher  gods/goddess.

if I'm right , people that believe that Stone henge is a portal (to alien world) going to have big cry

 

feel free to comment ?

 

[Piney]

2 hours ago, kobolds said:

Hi ,

This is another of my crazy ideas .

I think Stone henge is evolve version from Gobekli Tepe.

reason ?

1. both  try  create  circle using stones. 

2. inside circle both contain stones face to face

3. T stone Gobekli Tepe = stone door in Stone henge (represent for each gods/ goddess)

this is my theory , on   Gobekli Tepe circle each T stone mean for lower gods or goddess while 2 T stones on center represent higher gods/goddess .

same with   Stone henge , but stone henge circle bigger , my guess is the increase number of gods / goddess  . the center 4 (or 5 ( indicate increase number of higher  gods/goddess.

if I'm right , people that believe that Stone henge is a portal (to alien world) going to have big cry

 

feel free to comment ?

 

You need to do some reading about the cultures behind the two.

 Stonehenge was worked over by several different peoples. The Bell Beaker doing the most. Their ancestors were the WSH (Western Steppe Herders).

 Gobekli Tepe was built by the AHG (Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers).

They are completely unrelated.

 

 

[Piney]

@Saru Could you please move this to the correct subforum? 

[kobolds]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

You need to do some reading about the cultures behind the two.

 Stonehenge was worked over by several different peoples. The Bell Beaker doing the most. Their ancestors were the WSH (Western Steppe Herders).

 Gobekli Tepe was built by the AHG (Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers).

They are completely unrelated.

 

 

since the time line also different, it diffidently create by different people  . but what about religions or believe ?

[Piney]

58 minutes ago, kobolds said:

since the time line also different, it diffidently create by different people  . but what about religions or believe ?

They were unrelated too.

[Saru]

10 hours ago, Piney said:

@Saru Could you please move this to the correct subforum? 

Done. 

[The Puzzler]

This was in the You Tube doco I watched on Karahan Tepe, that the stone circles are connected, very interesting.

Part IV I think.

https://youtu.be/BEn6ZHtMECM

Edited August 4 by The Puzzler

[Kenemet]

23 hours ago, kobolds said:

Hi ,

This is another of my crazy ideas .

I think Stone henge is evolve version from Gobekli Tepe.

reason ?

1. both  try  create  circle using stones. 

2. inside circle both contain stones face to face

3. T stone Gobekli Tepe = stone door in Stone henge (represent for each gods/ goddess)

this is my theory , on   Gobekli Tepe circle each T stone mean for lower gods or goddess while 2 T stones on center represent higher gods/goddess .

same with   Stone henge , but stone henge circle bigger , my guess is the increase number of gods / goddess  . the center 4 (or 5 ( indicate increase number of higher  gods/goddess.

if I'm right , people that believe that Stone henge is a portal (to alien world) going to have big cry

No.

There is nothing unusual about people making circles... they do it all over the world in places that aren't connected with each other.  There's nothing unusual about people taking stones and setting them in a circle (like a medicine wheel) or even standing them up on edge.  Once they start making houses, things like this are easy to construct.

Things are related IF you find evidence that:

1. the first culture was in contact in some way with the second culture
2. there is a reason for the copying (folk hero, fairy tale, legislation, first culture ruled second culture, religion of first culture became religion of second culture, etc.)
3. there is a benefit from copying (using the ancient gods of one culture to support your right to rule both cultures)
4. the first culture and the second culture existed at the same time and in the same location.

People do copy things from ancient cultures (England and America both had a period of Egyptomania) however these are bad copies and don't mean that the English and the Americans are related to ancient Egypt

Stonehenge and Gobekli Tepi are thousands and thousands of miles apart.  They're also many thousand years apart in history.  There's no contact between the people of GT and the people of Stonehenge.

And that's why we say "no."

Stonehenge isn't the only henge in the British Isles.  There's a number of them, including several made of wood.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Kenemet said:

Stonehenge isn't the only henge in the British Isles.  There's a number of them, including several made of wood.

And one in Birmingham at Weoley Castle made of Scrumpy Jack cans. 

[jethrofloyd]

How can we be sure a someone from the past time and from area of the British Isles didn't traveled to or passing through of the south Antolia? And was inspired by the megalihs of Göbekli Tepe. In those past times people moved a lot more than we believe. The Neolithic hand axes made in the France have been found in the southern Spain and northern Marocko, for example.

[Trelane]

2 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

How can we be sure a someone from the past time and from area of the British Isles didn't traveled to or passing through of the south Antolia? And was inspired by the megalihs of Göbekli Tepe. In those past times people moved a lot more than we believe. The Neolithic hand axes made in the France have been found in the southern Spain and northern Marocko, for example.

What is the likelihood of that? No idea, but I can't imagine too likely.

Even if the wanderers found there way through that region, was GT still visible? When was it buried?

[Piney]

2 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

How can we be sure a someone from the past time and from area of the British Isles didn't traveled to or passing through of the south Antolia? And was inspired by the megalihs of Göbekli Tepe. In those past times people moved a lot more than we believe. The Neolithic hand axes made in the France have been found in the southern Spain and northern Marocko, for example.

Genetics.

Western Hunter-gatherers and Anatolian Hunter-gatherers were two different peoples.

Your talking about Mousterian hand axes. They were made by Neanderthals.

[cormac mac airt]

2 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

How can we be sure a someone from the past time and from area of the British Isles didn't traveled to or passing through of the south Antolia? And was inspired by the megalihs of Göbekli Tepe. In those past times people moved a lot more than we believe. The Neolithic hand axes made in the France have been found in the southern Spain and northern Marocko, for example.

Why would anyone go from the British Isles to GT when Doggerland was very much in the way and infinitely more useful for hunting and such? 
 

cormac

Edited August 14 by cormac mac airt

[Trelane]

There is part of me that would love for there to be some discovery that could tie all of these sites together. You know, some really cool ancient existence of our ancestors that we had no idea about but suddenly find something that changes everything. I personally think it would be cool.

However, all of that aside as I'm learning here, the time gaps and migration paths of the ancient people's just aren't matching up to support it. Again, I'm but a novice in this sub forum. I thank everyone who has provided the information and links that have helped 'school" me on several subjects.

What is noteworthy, is all of the tremendous accomplishments our ancestors were responsible for. So many amazing structures and complexes that we have discovered that show just how brilliant they all were. Now how far back does this all really go I think is the real mystery. What else is out there, buried,  waiting to be discovered?

[jethrofloyd]

There is also a theory the Stonehenge was erected by the successors of the people who once erected Göbekli Tepe. Also, the hunters and gatherers left Anatholia and gradually spread across the Europe. Bringing with them their customs and traditions. One of their customs was erecting of the stone pillars.

 

[kobolds]

if you look from top down . the 2 have similarity . they look like witchcraft magic circle.

compare it with other temples  from Greek to Egyptian  .

 

 

[Piney]

15 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

There is also a theory the Stonehenge was erected by the successors of the people who once erected Göbekli Tepe. Also, the hunters and gatherers left Anatholia and gradually spread across the Europe. Bringing with them their customs and traditions. One of their customs was erecting of the stone pillars.

 

HGs didn't spread that way, that late and that isn't a "theory". It's a poorly thought out idea. 

[jethrofloyd]

1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

Why would anyone go from the British Isles to GT when Doggerland was very much in the way and infinitely more useful for hunting and such? 

Curiosity! Wasn' t it always the main driving force of Homo Sapiens?

[cormac mac airt]

7 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

Curiosity! Wasn' t it always the main driving force of Homo Sapiens?

And unevidenced.

cormac

[jethrofloyd]

24 minutes ago, Piney said:

HGs didn't spread that way, that late and that isn't a "theory". It's a poorly thought out idea. 

If HGs didn't spread that way who built the Europe's oldest prehistoric town uneaerthed in Bulgaria?

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

If HGs didn't spread that way who built the Europe's oldest prehistoric town uneaerthed in Bulgaria?

Lepenski Vir? 

Iron Gates Hunter-Gatherers a subset of Western Hunter-Gatherers who kept to themselves and have no relationship to Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers. 

[Abramelin]

15 minutes ago, Piney said:

Lepenski Vir? 

Iron Gates Hunter-Gatherers a subset of Western Hunter-Gatherers who kept to themselves and have no relationship to Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers. 

I think he meant Varna:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_culture

Lepenski Vir is located in Serbia if I remember well.

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I think he meant Varna:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_culture

Lepenski Vir is located in Serbia if I remember well.

They seem to be part of the Danubian Culture and weren't Hunter-gatherers. 

[Abramelin]

14 minutes ago, Piney said:

They seem to be part of the Danubian Culture and weren't Hunter-gatherers. 

If Jethro wanted a connection with Stonehenge, and closer to Göbekli Tepe, he could have chosen for some long lost culture in central and somewhat eastern Europe that built huge circular structures between 4600 - 4800 BCE.

[jethrofloyd]

10 minutes ago, Piney said:

They seem to be part of the Danubian Culture and weren't Hunter-gatherers. 

It's assumed that people of Lepenski Vir culture represent the descendants of the early European population of the Brno-Predmosti hunterer gatherer culture from the end of the last ice age. Ar geological evidence of human habitation of the surrounding caves dates back to around 20.000 BC ,(Czech Republic).