Shamima Begum loses final UK court bid over citizenship

[Still Waters]

Shamima Begum will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court, judges have ruled.

The 24-year-old hoped to overturn the government's decision to revoke her citizenship on national security grounds after she travelled to Syria as a teenager to join the Islamic State group.

Justices at the UK's highest court said Ms Begum could not appeal against an earlier Court of Appeal ruling as the grounds of her case "do not raise an arguable point of law".

It was Ms Begum's last chance to challenge the revocation of her citizenship within the UK legal system. But her lawyers told the BBC they would take the case to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2n8xv61x3o

Related:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/374754-shamima-begum-loses-court-of-appeal-bid-to-have-uk-citizenship-restored/

[+OverSword]

She should not be allowed to live in England either.  She and anyone she raises should be considered a potential terrorist threat.

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But her lawyers told the BBC they would take the case to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

The reason you do not cede your system to foreign courts.

 

Edited August 7 by OverSword

[Setton]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

She should not be allowed to live in England either.  She and anyone she raises should be considered a potential terrorist threat.

She isn't. She's in Syria.

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The reason you do not cede your system to foreign courts.

Hardly foreign. We set it up and it's based primarily on our own laws!

[+OverSword]

 

19 minutes ago, Setton said:

She isn't. She's in Syria.

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I know.  And regardless of where she ends up it should not be in England

  

17 minutes ago, Setton said:

Hardly foreign. We set it up and it's based primarily on our own laws!

Strasbourg.  Strasbourg England then is it?  

Foreign court.

[Piney]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

She should not be allowed to live in England either.  She and anyone she raises should be considered a potential terrorist threat.

The reason you do not cede your system to foreign courts.

She should be hung or shot, with every other terrorist domestic or otherwise.

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

She should be hung or shot, with every other terrorist domestic or otherwise.

One hell of an ironic name...

She's begging 'em to please take her sorry ass back now 😆

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

One hell of an ironic name...

She's begging 'em to please take her sorry ass back now 😆

I'm very "Algonquian" about terrorists, child traffickers, dope smugglers and child abusers, sexual or physical in general.

Torturer them, skin them and burn their smaller parts in front of them. A lot less of this **** would go on.  

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'm very "Algonquian" about terrorists, child traffickers, dope smugglers and child abusers, sexual or physical in general.

Torturer them, skin them and burn their smaller parts in front of them. A lot less of this **** would go on.  

👍 

I agree 100%! 

[Grim Reaper 6]

20 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'm very "Algonquian" about terrorists, child traffickers, dope smugglers and child abusers, sexual or physical in general.

Torturer them, skin them and burn their smaller parts in front of them. A lot less of this **** would go on.  

I agree 100% my friend, I would like to add that their punishment should be conducted publicly because there is no better way to prove a point.

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I agree 100% my friend, I would like to add that their punishment should be conducted publicly because there is no better way to prove a point.

For sure. 

[Setton]

17 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I agree 100% my friend, I would like to add that their punishment should be conducted publicly because there is no better way to prove a point.

That's exactly how you create a martyr.

[Golden Duck]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

 

I know.  And regardless of where she ends up it should not be in England

  

Strasbourg.  Strasbourg England then is it?  

Foreign court.

Britain is making a judgement based on a contrary legal opinion to Bangladesh's own citizenship laws.

This ceding to foreign court's ideal is not for all, right?

Edited August 7 by Golden Duck

[Grim Reaper 6]

14 minutes ago, Setton said:

That's exactly how you create a martyr.

It’s also how you make people think before they act, whenever you have a two edged sword you have to test the water to find out which solution is best under the circumstances at hand.

[Setton]

5 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

It’s also how you make people think before they act, whenever you have a two edged sword you have to test the water to find out which solution is best under the circumstances at hand.

Giving someone exactly what they want (a very visible death in the name of their beliefs) is absolutely not how you make people think before they act.

This is on the same level as the stupid "bury them in pigskins" idea. It totally misunderstands Islam, extremism and the motivations of terrorists. All this would do is make us as bad as them and push moderates away.

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 minutes ago, Setton said:

Giving someone exactly what they want (a very visible death in the name of their beliefs) is absolutely not how you make people think before they act.

This is on the same level as the stupid "bury them in pigskins" idea. It totally misunderstands Islam, extremism and the motivations of terrorists. All this would do is make us as bad as them and push moderates away.

I suspect I have spent more time (12 years) in the Middle East dealing with people of the Islamic faith than you have. The one thing people of the Middle East will exploit is lack of resolve, and our policies obviously have not worked. In my opinion it’s far past the time to act in a civil manner, I believe it’s time to terrorize the terrorists by treating them in the same manner they treat others. As far as making our cause as bad as theirs oh well, to bad so sad, and based upon my experience pushing the moderates away isn’t a big deal because they are so few they have no voice anyway..

JIMHO

[Setton]

1 minute ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I suspect I have spent more time (12 years) in the Middle East dealing with people of the Islamic faith than you have. The one thing people of the Middle East will exploit is lack of resolve, and our policies obviously have not worked. In my opinion it’s far past the time to act in a civil manner, I believe it’s time to terrorize the terrorists by treating them in the same manner they treat others. As far as making our cause as bad as theirs oh well, to bad so sad, and based upon my experience pushing the moderates away isn’t a big deal because they are so few they have no voice anyway..

JIMHO

But we're not talking about someone from the middle east. We're talking about people in Muslim communities being radicalised in the UK. An area I think I have more experience than you.

I've worked with a lot of people who fought in the middle east. Doesn't seem like they were given much in the way of education on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.

The vast majority of Muslims in the UK are moderate. They are some of the biggest supporters in tackling radicalisation in Muslim communities.

[Grim Reaper 6]

10 minutes ago, Setton said:

But we're not talking about someone from the middle east. We're talking about people in Muslim communities being radicalised in the UK. An area I think I have more experience than you.

I've worked with a lot of people who fought in the middle east. Doesn't seem like they were given much in the way of education on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.

The vast majority of Muslims in the UK are moderate. They are some of the biggest supporters in tackling radicalisation in Muslim communities.

If they were moderate as you say, they would expose the terrorists among them have the moderates done that?

[Setton]

28 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

If they were moderate as you say, they would expose the terrorists among them have the moderates done that?

Yes. Look up the PREVENT programme.

Islamist terrorism in the UK has been almost entirely driven online and underground precisely because moderate Muslims will report on it. The days of extremist preachers radicalising groups of people at the mosque after Friday prayers are long gone.

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yes. Look up the PREVENT programme.

Islamist terrorism in the UK has been almost entirely driven online and underground precisely because moderate Muslims will report on it. The days of extremist preachers radicalising groups of people at the mosque after Friday prayers are long gone.

Sure, I certainly except that!

[Setton]

26 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Sure, I certainly except that!

So just to clear this up. I should accept that you know more about Muslim communities in the UK, who I've worked with, because you've worked in the middle east? And when corrected by someone who has worked in these communities in the UK, you still don't accept what I have to say?

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, Setton said:

So just to clear this up. I should accept that you know more about Muslim communities in the UK, who I've worked with, because you've worked in the middle east? And when corrected by someone who has worked in these communities in the UK, you still don't accept what I have to say?

I know more about terrorism as whole than you do, however i do respect your work in those communities. However, based upon my knowledge generally speaking Muslim communities as a whole and especially Imams do not report radicalism unless it affects their individual Mosque. Whatever, you choose to believe is fine by me, because the results of your beliefs do not affect me in any way. One thing I refuse to believe is that home grown Islamic terrorism doesn’t exist in the UK, because I know for a fact that no nation is immune to it.