MrAnderson Posted August 9 #26 Share Posted August 9 19 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: Yea it’s actually pretty insane, it kind of reminds me on the 1930s in Germany. The UK seems to be walking into an unknown territory. It's usually regarded and promoted as a heaven for business and living. I can't make comparisons with the US because these are two different societies but it's far more dangerous to live in the US. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted August 9 #27 Share Posted August 9 49 minutes ago, MrAnderson said: .... it's far more dangerous to live in the US. And other countries in Europe. A few idiots have given a false impression of what the UK is really like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted August 9 #28 Share Posted August 9 12 minutes ago, Essan said: And other countries in Europe. A few idiots have given a false impression of what the UK is really like. Exactly. If people want to know what the UK is really like overall, they should take a look at the much larger counter-protests on Wednesday night. The vast, vast majority of the population don't support these far right extremist thugs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 9 #29 Share Posted August 9 2 hours ago, MrAnderson said: The UK seems to be walking into an unknown territory. It's usually regarded and promoted as a heaven for business and living. I can't make comparisons with the US because these are two different societies but it's far more dangerous to live in the US. How does the US play into this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destination Unknown Posted August 9 #30 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 12 hours ago, Setton said: We've all been through this with you multiple times. You just deny everything. 1. New Border Security Command. 2. Counter terrorism level powers for the BSC. 3. Yes, repairing relations with Europe. If we want France to help stop illegal immigration into the UK, probably more effective if we stop purposely p***ing them off for cheap political points at home. 4. Collaboration with Europe, especially France, to stop illegal migration their end. Yeah, because that £500 million pounds of UK taxpayers money Sunak stupidly gave to France to help stop the boats (on top of the £300 million already given to France prior to that) really worked didn't it. 🤦 https://www.itv.com/news/2023-03-10/sunak-to-give-france-almost-500-million-for-help-stopping-the-boats Edited August 9 by Destination Unknown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted August 9 #31 Share Posted August 9 13 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said: Yeah, because that £500 million pounds of UK taxpayers money Sunak stupidly gave to France to help stop the boats (on top of the £300 million already given to France prior to that) really worked didn't it. 🤦 https://www.itv.com/news/2023-03-10/sunak-to-give-france-almost-500-million-for-help-stopping-the-boats No. So perhaps rebuilding relations is better than throwing our money at people you've been purposely p***ing off, don't you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destination Unknown Posted August 9 #32 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Setton said: No. So perhaps rebuilding relations is better than throwing our money at people you've been purposely p***ing off, don't you think? And I've personally been "purposely p***ing off" France how exactly? Edited August 9 by Destination Unknown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted August 9 #33 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Destination Unknown said: And I've been "purposely p***ing off" France how exactly? Oh, was it you who sent them 500m? No? Perhaps one might consider the possibility that I wasn't using the word to mean you specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destination Unknown Posted August 9 #34 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Setton said: Oh, was it you who sent them 500m? No? Perhaps one might consider the possibility that I wasn't using the word to mean you specifically. Well maybe you shouldn't have used the term "you've" been purposely p***ing off France then. Perhaps one might consider the possibility that if you weren't using the word to mean me specifically, you should have iterated exactly who it actually is that you think has been "purposely p***ing off" France. Edited August 9 by Destination Unknown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted August 9 #35 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 1 minute ago, Destination Unknown said: Well maybe you shouldn't have used the term "you've" been purposely p***ing off France then. Perhaps one might consider the possibility that if you weren't using the word to mean me specifically, you should have iterated exactly who it actually is that you think has been "purposely p***ing off" France. Yeah see now you're trying to sidetrack into talking about semantics because you have no response to the point. The former government spent years p***ing off France. The new government is working to repair relations with France. Edited August 9 by Setton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 9 #36 Share Posted August 9 On 8/8/2024 at 5:09 PM, pellinore said: A councillor suspended by Labour has been arrested over a speech at a counter demonstration calling for the throats of anti-immigration protesters to be cut. Dartford councillor Ricky Jones has been suspended by the party over the video, which shows him in the middle of a cheering crowd at a protest in Walthamstow, east London, organised to stop the far-right from targeting asylum centres and the offices of lawyers helping asylum seekers. In the speech on Wednesday evening, he said: “We need to cut all their throats and get rid of them.” this proves how stupid those who are in charge can be! people like this idiot are running the country 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destination Unknown Posted August 9 #37 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Setton said: Yeah see now you're trying to sidetrack into talking about semantics because you have no response to the point. The former government spent years p***ing off France. The new government is working to repair relations with France. So you think that the former Government giving France nearly a billion pounds of UK taxpayers money is somehow "purposely p***ing them off". How does that even make sense? Edited August 9 by Destination Unknown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted August 9 #38 Share Posted August 9 4 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said: So you think that the former Government giving France nearly a billion pounds of UK taxpayers money is somehow "purposely p***ing them off". How does that even make sense? Not even remotely what I said, is it? I'd suggest you go and read the posts you're responding to again. If you still don't understand, me explaining it again isn't going to change that. Just add it to the list of things that go over your head and try not to let it bother you so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destination Unknown Posted August 9 #39 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Setton said: Not even remotely what I said, is it? I'd suggest you go and read the posts you're responding to again. If you still don't understand, me explaining it again isn't going to change that. Just add it to the list of things that go over your head and try not to let it bother you so much. Well seeing as the almost £1 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money the previous UK Government stupidly gave away to France obviously didn't make any difference, perhaps the first thing these so-called "real politicians that are now in govt" should do is demand that money back, really give France something to be p***ed off about. Edited August 9 by Destination Unknown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted August 9 #40 Share Posted August 9 5 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said: Well seeing as the almost £1 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money the previous UK Government stupidly gave away to France obviously didn't make any difference, perhaps the first thing these so-called "real politicians that are now in govt" should do is demand that money back, really give France something to be p***ed off about. Yep, over your head. Thought as much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted August 9 #41 Share Posted August 9 25 minutes ago, Dejarma said: this proves how stupid those who are in charge can be! people like this idiot are running the country Er, well obviously they are not any more.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 9 #42 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Essan said: Er, well obviously they are not any more.... i'm referring to the so called educated, politicians, people in power in general !! Edited August 9 by Dejarma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted August 9 Author #43 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said: Well seeing as the almost £1 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money the previous UK Government stupidly gave away to France obviously didn't make any difference, perhaps the first thing these so-called "real politicians that are now in govt" should do is demand that money back, really give France something to be p***ed off about. The UK public are going to soon have to make a choice: do they want to remain allied to their own continent, Europe, which is White, Christian, with shared values and culture going back over two millennia; or do they want to plough ahead and forge new alliances with the Middle and Far East? It's pretty clear from my post history that I think we should remain part of Europe, but if Brexiters want closer ties with Africa, India and Asia, and staff our industry, banks, social care, hospitals, and even govt, with people from more diverse cultures, let them get on with it. If Reform want more Black mayors and PMs in the UK, good luck to them. I couldn't care less. My own personal hope is that I can retire or at least holiday in, my own continent, which is Europe. Edited August 9 by pellinore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destination Unknown Posted August 9 #44 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, pellinore said: The UK public are going to soon have to make a choice The UK public made a choice in 2016 pellinore, and being allied to Europe doesn't automatically mean that we should be forced to accept being in a European political union does it pellinore, unless of course you can show me the rule where it says it does. 1 hour ago, pellinore said: It's pretty clear from my post history that I think we should remain part of Europe Again pellinore, Europe is a continental region consisting of around 50 countries, and that includes the United Kingdom, so unless the UK has somehow moved geographically after its democratically mandated exit from the European Union, then the UK is still part of Europe. Leaving that European political union hasn't changed that. 1 hour ago, pellinore said: My own personal hope is that I can retire or at least holiday in, my own continent, which is Europe. Nobody is stopping you from retiring in Europe pellinore. According to this article from the 'Schengenvisanews' website, over 75,000 Americans moved to the EU in 2022. Last time I checked America was not a member of the European Union, so not being a member of the EU is no barrier to moving to an EU country after Brexit (see link below). https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/over-75000-americans-moved-to-the-eu-in-2022/ And nobody is stopping you from holidaying in Europe either. What planet are you on? My brother and his family have just come back from a holiday in Greece. Greece is in Europe, so not being in the EU didn't stop him from going on holiday to Greece. Edited August 9 by Destination Unknown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destination Unknown Posted August 9 #45 Share Posted August 9 2 hours ago, Setton said: Yep, over your head. Thought as much. Not over my head at all. You're the one claiming we've "purposely p***ed off the French", not me. So what exactly have we done to "purposely p*** them off" then, other than give them the best part of a billion quid for doing something they knew damn well they weren't ever going to do anyway? If anyone should be p***ed off it should be the UK, because France purposely p***ed us off for not doing something they promised to do if we paid them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 9 #46 Share Posted August 9 my friend owns a small engineering company in Essex, UK. When we were in the EU he was forced to buy certain parts he needed from countries like Romania. More expensive & inferior quality..... Now he can get these parts from a manufacturer only 60 miles away, cheaper & far better quality. That's why he voted to leave.... Just saying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted August 9 #47 Share Posted August 9 2 hours ago, Destination Unknown said: So you think that the former Government giving France nearly a billion pounds of UK taxpayers money is somehow "purposely p***ing them off". How does that even make sense? I don`t get why we are giving them money, but also there is no feedback on how much it reduced the influx. Neither to I understand the Rwanda plan. The reason being is that as we are the UK we have lots of islands around the world, many of which would could allow immigrants to build their own societies in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 9 #48 Share Posted August 9 1 minute ago, Duke Wellington said: I don`t get why we are giving them money, but also there is no feedback on how much it reduced the influx. Neither to I understand the Rwanda plan. The reason being is that as we are the UK we have lots of islands around the world, many of which would could allow immigrants to build their own societies in. one has to ask the question: why not stay in their own country? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted August 10 #49 Share Posted August 10 44 minutes ago, Dejarma said: one has to ask the question: why not stay in their own country? Ever hear of the Trojan horse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted August 10 #50 Share Posted August 10 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: Ever hear of the Trojan horse? oh yeah!!!! do you want to take it to 'my' next level with regards to what's 'really' going on IN_MY_OPINION???? go for for it, i'm all ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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