Israel airstrike on Gaza school kills more than 100, Hamas-run media office says

[Grim Reaper 6]

CAIRO, Aug 10 (Reuters) - More than 100 Palestinians were killed and dozens wounded in an Israeli strike on a Gaza school sheltering displaced people, the Hamas-run Gaza government said on Saturday, an airstrike the Israeli military said had targeted a Hamas command centre.

The strikes hit when people sheltering at the school were performing dawn prayers, leading to many casualties, the Hamas media office said in a statement. Medics had not yet been able to reach all the bodies, it said..

The Israeli military said in a statement that its air force targeted a command and control centre where Hamas commanders and operatives were hiding.
 

The military said it had taken steps to reduce the risk of harming civilians, "including the use of precise munitions, aerial surveillance, and intelligence information". It did not immediately comment on the casualty reports from Gaza.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/more-than-100-palestinians-killed-israeli-strike-targeted-school-gaza-2024-08-10.

 

More than 40 Palestinians killed in Israeli school strike, Gaza Civil Defense says:  https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/10/middleeast/israeli-school-strike-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

Edited August 10 by Grim Reaper 6

[Alchopwn]

I will give good odds that there is a Hamas base under the school that is using the children as human shields.  It is Hamas 101.

[acidhead]

 

[acidhead]

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

43 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

I will give good odds that there is a Hamas base under the school that is using the children as human shields.  It is Hamas 101.

That’s possible but either way this only creates more Martyrs and it adds fuel to the fire concerning Hezbollah and Iranian retaliation!

[Claira]

3 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

That’s possible but either way this only creates more Martyrs and it adds fuel to the fire concerning Hezbollah and Iranian retaliation!

No it doesn't. And if it does, so what? Iran has been spooked by the expanded US military presence in the area and is unlikely to do anything egregious fearing it will come back at them a hundredfold. Hezbollah will continue to be the schmucks they've always been, so no change there.

The IDF claims it struck an active Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad command room. To mitigate harm to civilians during the strike, they used aerial surveillance, precision munitions, and other intelligence.

Not that it matters what the IDF says as Hamas, the media, and others around the world, will still spin the incident every which way but the truth.

[CrimsonKing]

4 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

That’s possible but either way this only creates more Martyrs and it adds fuel to the fire concerning Hezbollah and Iranian retaliation!

I honestly believe the Palestinians have already accepted that any death by Israel in Gaza is an act of martyrdom...

Iran seems like with the risk of all out war on the table,they may now try to play the world stage against Israel and act like peacemakers to end the war in Gaza,and act as if Hezbollah attacks are independent of themselves...

All the while Hamas would be given time to re-arm and regroup.

Israel is tightening the noose on Sinwar,with all his high ranking buddies getting taken out recently, it's only a matter of time till there's nowhere left for him to hide.

As we've discussed before,one can't fight guerilla terrorists by conventional means,it would only lead to another 10/7 or worse in the future.

[simplybill]

It’s time for the Gaza citizens and the rest of the world to condemn Hamas for conducting warfare while hiding in schools and hospitals.  The twisted ideology of martyrdom for the sake of Hamas’ goal of annihilating the Israelis has to be uprooted from their culture.
The sad fact is that all of this would end if the Gazans/Hamas would release the remaining hostages taken during the October 7 massacre, and agree to and honor a ceasefire. 
 

[CrimsonKing]

25 minutes ago, simplybill said:

It’s time for the Gaza citizens and the rest of the world to condemn Hamas for conducting warfare while hiding in schools and hospitals.  The twisted ideology of martyrdom for the sake of Hamas’ goal of annihilating the Israelis has to be uprooted from their culture.
The sad fact is that all of this would end if the Gazans/Hamas would release the remaining hostages taken during the October 7 massacre, and agree to and honor a ceasefire. 
 

I agree with much of what you say,but I do not believe a real "ceasefire deal" can ever actually exist...

It all comes back to taking the word of,and negotiating with terrorists.

It always comes back to bite the peaceful modernized people in the ass.

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Claira said:

No it doesn't. And if it does, so what? Iran has been spooked by the expanded US military presence in the area and is unlikely to do anything egregious fearing it will come back at them a hundredfold. Hezbollah will continue to be the schmucks they've always been, so no change there.

The IDF claims it struck an active Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad command room. To mitigate harm to civilians during the strike, they used aerial surveillance, precision munitions, and other intelligence.

Not that it matters what the IDF says as Hamas, the media, and others around the world, will still spin the incident every which way but the truth.

Welcome to the forum Claire, I am not an Hamas apologist my comments are based upon the current situation in the conflict and yes the civilian deaths will only further escalate the situation further.

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

I honestly believe the Palestinians have already accepted that any death by Israel in Gaza is an act of martyrdom...

Iran seems like with the risk of all out war on the table,they may now try to play the world stage against Israel and act like peacemakers to end the war in Gaza,and act as if Hezbollah attacks are independent of themselves...

All the while Hamas would be given time to re-arm and regroup.

Israel is tightening the noose on Sinwar,with all his high ranking buddies getting taken out recently, it's only a matter of time till there's nowhere left for him to hide.

As we've discussed before,one can't fight guerilla terrorists by conventional means,it would only lead to another 10/7 or worse in the future.

You may be right my friend, however the death of so many civilians will only push the conflict further towards the brink of retaliation by Iran using Hezbollah. At this point it’s no longer a question whether Iran will retaliate, it’s only a question of when it will occur. Hopefully, the US and Israel will be able to thwart the attack like the last time. But I believe the last attack was a test, and now they understand what it will take to over whelm Israel’s air defense capabilities so the next attack could be devastating.

[docyabut2]

 

At least 93 Palestinians have been killed in an Israeli strike on a school and mosque in Gaza sheltering displaced people, according to local officials, sparking international outrage.

Gaza Civil Defense said people were performing dawn prayers at the Al-Tabi’in compound in the Al-Daraj neighborhood in the eastern part of Gaza City when it was hit overnight into Saturday. Israel confirmed it carried out the strike, saying Hamas was operating there.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/10/middleeast/israeli-school-strike-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html

[docyabut2]

Israel is never going to stop the killings of the Hamas leaders

[CrimsonKing]

35 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

You may be right my friend, however the death of so many civilians will only push the conflict further towards the brink of retaliation by Iran using Hezbollah. At this point it’s no longer a question whether Iran will retaliate, it’s only a question of when it will occur. Hopefully, the US and Israel will be able to thwart the attack like the last time. But I believe the last attack was a test, and now they understand what it will take to over whelm Israel’s air defense capabilities so the next attack could be devastating.

They have definitely been doing recon with drones,even having the nerve to send it to Israeli officials as a threat/warning...

I understand what you are saying,but when they put command centers in schools, hospitals,ect...what other way is possible.

Can't just let them keep resetting and rearming.

I believe a larger war in the region is inevitable now anyway one looks at it.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, CrimsonKing said:

They have definitely been doing recon with drones,even having the nerve to send it to Israeli officials as a threat/warning...

I understand what you are saying,but when they put command centers in schools, hospitals,ect...what other way is possible.

Can't just let them keep resetting and rearming.

I believe a larger war in the region is inevitable now anyway one looks at it.

All I can say it that during my years in the US Army and after the United States would not have hit a target where so much collateral damage would have been caused. So, based upon my training and opinion Ground Forces should be used instead of bombs or missiles in a situation like the one in question. I am not being judgmental only making an observation based upon my experience in similar situations. 

[CrimsonKing]

3 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

All I can say it that during my years in the US Army and after the United States would not have hit a target where so much collateral damage would have been caused. So, based upon my training and opinion Ground Forces should be used instead of bombs or missiles in a situation like the one in question. I am not being judgmental only making an observation based upon my experience in similar situations. 

I hear ya man,and I respect your opinions on the matter...just with Gaza being so crowded and all the tunnel networks,troops have mentioned how dangerous it is when a group of civilians go walking by and one all a sudden starts popping off a machine gun indiscriminately...what can one do?

If the fighters themselves are surrounded by "innocent's" that are willing to shield them and in turn possibly be taken out by that very person's own bullets...

Just kind of seems like the Wests way of fighting is engaging with one arm tied behind their backs...and countries around the world take notice of such things and use them against us.

Remember how Iran was thanking and praising the protesters a few months back.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/09/us-news/iran-is-accelerating-cyber-activity-that-appears-meant-to-influence-the-us-election-microsoft-says/

Wonder if Republicans will start screeching "Iran,Iran,Iran" 😆

[Grim Reaper 6]

16 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I hear ya man,and I respect your opinions on the matter...just with Gaza being so crowded and all the tunnel networks,troops have mentioned how dangerous it is when a group of civilians go walking by and one all a sudden starts popping off a machine gun indiscriminately...what can one do?

it was no different when the US was fighting house to house in Iraqi cities. US Soldiers were faced with the same dilemma, however the military chain of command decided to follow the established international ROW - Rules of Engagement and this is something Israel refuses to do.

16 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

If the fighters themselves are surrounded by "innocent's" that are willing to shield them and in turn possibly be taken out by that very person's own bullets...

Just kind of seems like the Wests way of fighting is engaging with one arm tied behind their backs...and countries around the world take notice of such things and use them against us.

It certainly may seem like the US is fighting with an armed tied behind their back, but it all comes down to how the international community defines what is a war crime and what isn’t. While the US has certainly made many mistakes, those who committed them were given disciplinary action for their actions. When a Nations leaders choose to follow no rules of engagement, they have no right to prosecute their soldiers for the same thing. 

16 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Remember how Iran was thanking and praising the protesters a few months back.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/09/us-news/iran-is-accelerating-cyber-activity-that-appears-meant-to-influence-the-us-election-microsoft-says/

Wonder if Republicans will start screeching "Iran,Iran,Iran" 😆

I have no idea what the Republican Party will do next, but Iran, Iran, Iran is certainly a possibility 

 

[Claira]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Welcome to the forum Claire, I am not an Hamas apologist my comments are based upon the current situation in the conflict and yes the civilian deaths will only further escalate the situation further.

You may not be a Hamas apologist, but you pay them credence, long after they've proved themselves unworthy.

Civilians are dispensable as far as Hamas is concerned. The more civilians killed, the more the world is outraged at Israel. Hence the reason why Hamas continues to exaggerate casualty numbers and why those numbers do not differentiate between civilians and combatants.The IDF insists it struck an area where, according to their intel, no children or women were present. Furthermore, the IDF has footage from the aftermath showing no major damage to the surrounding school complex. Their strike (using precision munitions to mitigate civilian casualties) did not cause damage that corresponds to Hamas' report.

As tunnels are no longer the safe haven they once were, Hamas is now embedding itself within schools and other sites used as shelters for civilians. Many Palestinians have grown weary of being used as human shields. They've also grown weary of Hamas' increasing violence toward them as well as Hamas' efforts to confiscate aid of forcing prices of what goods are available to skyrocket. So whilst many around the world continue to misdirect their moral outrage, Palestinians in Gaza are starting to direct it where it belongs — Hamas.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

yes the civilian deaths will only further escalate the situation further.

Two things can be equally true at the same time.  Yes, the civilian deaths will feed the hate but if Israel refrained from ever striking Hamas unless they could be certain that no civilians would die, they'd essentially have to surrender to a group that openly calls for the death of all Jewsi everywhere in the world.

Here's a picture of the site the IAF bombed.  Supposedly, they used at least one 2000lb bomb on this site...

[Claira]

1 hour ago, docyabut2 said:

Israel is never going to stop the killings of the Hamas leaders

Amen to that.

[CrimsonKing]

6 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

it was no different when the US was fighting house to house in Iraqi cities. US Soldiers were faced with the same dilemma, however the military chain of command decided to follow the established international ROW - Rules of Engagement and this is something Israel refuses to do.

It certainly may seem like the US is fighting with an armed tied behind their back, but it all comes down to how the international community defines what is a war crime and what isn’t. While the US has certainly made many mistakes, those who committed them were given disciplinary action for their actions. When a Nations leaders choose to follow no rules of engagement, they have no right to prosecute their soldiers for the same thing. 

I have no idea what the Republican Party will do next, but Iran, Iran, Iran is certainly a possibility 

 

True,but to an extent,the Iraqi army was an actual "army" for a short while...these are just straight up no rules of engagement terrorists, fighting a guerilla war from multiple different countries.

I understand some of what your saying,but I would have to compare it to myself going out and getting in a street fight with a ref making sure all I've got on me is a mouthpiece,cup,and trunks and my opponent is covered in tactical kevlar gear and armed with weapons...and the ref looks over and says I'm the only one who has to follow the rules...

Rules and laws only work when everyone respects them,if only 1 side does,then anarchy usually unfolds.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, Claira said:

You may not be a Hamas apologist, but you pay them credence, long after they've proved themselves unworthy.

Civilians are dispensable as far as Hamas is concerned. The more civilians killed, the more the world is outraged at Israel. Hence the reason why Hamas continues to exaggerate casualty numbers and why those numbers do not differentiate between civilians and combatants.The IDF insists it struck an area where, according to their intel, no children or women were present. Furthermore, the IDF has footage from the aftermath showing no major damage to the surrounding school complex. Their strike (using precision munitions to mitigate civilian casualties) did not cause damage that corresponds to Hamas' report.

Have you ever faced an enemy in Combat?

i have on more than one occasion, during my military career!

Have you ever seen dead women and children lying dead in the street except on TV?

I have on more than one occasion!

It’s very easy to be an armchair quarterback with no real experience where combat is concerned. It’s easy to make comments based upon emotions, but it’s totally different to watch, see and smell death and when you do enough times it changes your perspective about such things. You may want to consider these things if you’re going to comment on topics like this.

2 minutes ago, Claira said:

As tunnels are no longer the safe haven they once were, Hamas is now embedding itself within schools and other sites used as shelters for civilians. Many Palestinians have grown weary of being used as human shields. They've also grown weary of Hamas' increasing violence toward them as well as Hamas' efforts to confiscate aid of forcing prices of what goods are available to skyrocket. So whilst many around the world continue to misdirect their moral outrage, Palestinians in Gaza are starting to direct it where it belongs — Hamas.

I have encountered this in both Afghanistan and Iraq, but i remained morally strong which is required of any leader. This conflict is Gaza and the way Hamas is conducting this conflict is not new, but when fighting people like them you have two choices sink to their level or do what is morally right. I am not judging Israel, however the way i was trained and the manner in which this conflict is being handled is morally wrong. You don’t have to agree with my opinion, however i am still entitled to it just like you are to yours.

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

True,but to an extent,the Iraqi army was an actual "army" for a short while...these are just straight up no rules of engagement terrorists, fighting a guerilla war from multiple different countries.

After the war ended the real conflict began and i am not speaking about the Iraqi Army. I am speaking about a terrorist insurgence that arose after the war. It required clearing cities house by house, and they also used civilians as human shields. Sorry if i was not clear in my previous comments.

12 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I understand some of what your saying,but I would have to compare it to myself going out and getting in a street fight with a ref making sure all I've got on me is a mouthpiece,cup,and trunks and my opponent is covered in tactical kevlar gear and armed with weapons...and the ref looks over and says I'm the only one who has to follow the rules...

Rules and laws only work when everyone respects them,if only 1 side does,then anarchy usually unfolds.

On that i agree, but once you begin to commit actions that are morally wrong where does it end?

[+and-then]

 

Israel has been publicly signaling that it may well pre-empt such an attack if they have irrefutable evidence it is near launch.  I pray for the citizens and military of Israel that they stand firm and destroy these demons NOW.  

[+and-then]

8 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

It’s very easy to be an armchair quarterback with no real experience where combat is concerned.

Most on this site and around the world who are giving their opinions, have never served in combat.  It doesn't make their opinions any less valid.  I'll say it again, those here who continually post the propaganda given by Hamas and who wail for the dead civilians in Gaza, have no other options for Israel and the bottom line is that to refrain from doing what Israel is doing would be to surrender to a group that wants the destruction of all Jews -EVERYWHERE - not just in Israel.  A person with years of experience in what war is and how it is waged should understand that it is horrible but that the only thing worse is surrender to an enemy that TRULY wants to commit genocide.

It all comes down to which side one believes and supports.  I support Israel and am unrepentant in it.