Israel airstrike on Gaza school kills more than 100, Hamas-run media office says

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

Then perhaps you could explain the logic of believing that a very small munition, likely under 100lbs, could kill blow apart bodies and kill nearly 100 people?  Ultimately, we will never know the "facts"

I agree it very possible that we will never know the facts, and that’s Israel’s fault. If media were embedded with their forces the issue would be resolved, but Israel refuses to do this and most likely never will.

2 hours ago, and-then said:

because as with all other media presentations these days it gets down to what people choose to believe.  There is no source of information trusted by all.  The images I've seen, and I have searched and found some very disturbing scenes of some dead youth, though I've yet to see a female body, still do not prove the death toll Hamas is pushing and could have been the result of those kids being with the men who were targeted.

Again that’s a problem created by Israel. 

2 hours ago, and-then said:

As I've said, no one is making the claim that NO civilians are being killed in these strikes.  When they die, they do so because of their proximity to men who are fighting the IDF in deadly combat.  Their presence there is either their choice or Hamas' choice.

I think it’s a little of both.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

that’s Israel’s fault

And there we have it, yet again.  Your choice is to believe they are at fault.  That means you accept Hamas' word for evidence.  I do not and never will.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I agree it very possible that we will never know the facts, and that’s Israel’s fault. If media were embedded with their forces the issue would be resolved, but Israel refuses to do this and most likely never will.

Correspondents are embedded with the IDF but are under heavy restrictions.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, and-then said:

And there we have it, yet again.  Your choice is to believe they are at fault.  That means you accept Hamas' word for evidence.  I do not and never will.

Yes they are, because they refuse to allow the media to be embedded with their combat forces.

Please tell us what possible reason they would keep the media out of Gaza And-Then?

Because, that is the decision that has created all the misinformation, and there is no logical reason for it unless they have something to hide!

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Correspondents are embedded with the IDF but are under heavy restrictions.

You see that’s the problem, and it’s what causes all the misinformation to be reported. 

[Claira]

10 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Because, that is the decision that has created all the misinformation, and there is no logical reason for it unless they have something to hide!

There are security and safety issues. As former military yourself, you should understand this.

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 minutes ago, Claira said:

There are security and safety issues. As former military yourself, you should understand this.

I do understand this very well that there are security issues but they are not insurmountable at all. During my military career embedded new correspondents were a common sight, even during ground invasions. As far as safety is concerned that’s a risk that news correspondents often take, and they are willing to do so to get a story, unfortunately some do lose their lives in the process but they are well aware of the risks.

[Claira]

2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I do understand this very well that there are security issues but they are not insurmountable at all. During my military career embedded new correspondents were a common sight, even during ground invasions. As far as safety is concerned that’s a risk that news correspondents often take, and they are willing to do so to get a story, unfortunately some do lose their lives in the process but they are well aware of the risks.

The security concerns would be for the soldiers as well, not just the journalists.

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, Claira said:

The security concerns would be for the soldiers as well, not just the journalists.

Look Claira, all I can tell you is that the US Military had embedded news Correspondent’s during the Operation Desert Storm, and during Operation Enduring Freedom because I was part of those operations. After the cease fire in Iraq, I was taking a shower alongside an APC when a helicopter came in and brought the media to photograph the area, instead the Jack-asses photographed me, very embarrassing.

[CrimsonKing]

35 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Look Claira, all I can tell you is that the US Military had embedded news Correspondent’s during the Operation Desert Storm, and during Operation Enduring Freedom because I was part of those operations. After the cease fire in Iraq, I was taking a shower alongside an APC when a helicopter came in and brought the media to photograph the area, instead the Jack-asses photographed me, very embarrassing.

Are you trying to say you got "Costanza'ed" on the world stage 🤣 

Sorry Grim,but that's hilarious 🤣

[Grim Reaper 6]

34 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Are you trying to say you got "Costanza'ed" on the world stage 🤣 

Sorry Grim,but that's hilarious 🤣

Yea basically, somewhere out there in a film vault there are photos of me in the nude!🥵🤣

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

You see that’s the problem, and it’s what causes all the misinformation to be reported. 

Mind you don't hurt your back moving those goalposts  

[Grim Reaper 6]

36 minutes ago, and-then said:

Mind you don't hurt your back moving those goalposts  

I won’t I guaranty it, but no matter your opinion embedded corespondents would stop the misinformation and conspiracy theories.

[Antigonos]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

Mind you don't hurt your back moving those goalposts  

Why don’t you give him tips on how not to. You must know by now, you do it often enough. 

 

[+and-then]

7 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

Are you trying to say you got "Costanza'ed" on the world stage 🤣 

Sorry Grim,but that's hilarious 🤣

I'm still waiting to hear if he had to claim "shrinkage"   I certainly would've ;)

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I won’t I guaranty it, but no matter your opinion embedded corespondents would stop the misinformation and conspiracy theories.

I have no reason to believe that, considering the nearly universal tendency of the global media to blame Israel for everything negative in this conflict.  

[Grim Reaper 6]

38 minutes ago, and-then said:

I have no reason to believe that, considering the nearly universal tendency of the global media to blame Israel for everything negative in this conflict.  

Yea we will never know because Israel won’t allow the corespondents to actually see what is going on. It seems like they are afraid of what they will see, if they are doing everything you think they are, then it shouldn’t be an issue!

Edited August 14 by Grim Reaper 6

[Alchopwn]

8 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Look Claira, all I can tell you is that the US Military had embedded news Correspondent’s during the Operation Desert Storm, and during Operation Enduring Freedom because I was part of those operations. After the cease fire in Iraq, I was taking a shower alongside an APC when a helicopter came in and brought the media to photograph the area, instead the Jack-asses photographed me, very embarrassing.

I hope you mooned them properly buddy. (   )*(   )

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Alchopwn said:

I hope you mooned them properly buddy. (   )*(   )

No I did a dance for them with my towel!

[Claira]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Yea we will never know because Israel won’t allow the corespondents to actually see what is going on. It seems like they are afraid of what they will see, if they are doing everything you think they are, then it shouldn’t be an issue!

Nonsense. All that Israel requires of journalists covering the war is that they be accompanied by Israeli military escorts and that they allow the military to review their footage before it's broadcast. Not only is that reasonable given security concerns, Israel has the authority to make such requests. The restrictions are not so much on what journalists are allowed or not allowed to see, but on what they are allowed to report. Troop movements and other occurrences that may pose a security risk are examples of what cannot be reported.

Israel often responds to false accusations with real evidence and are far more transparent than Hamas is. If you want to take issue, take it with Hamas and its supporters who have produced a plethora of deepfake AI-generated and other images of blood-soaked infants and other atrocities supposedly committed by Israel. Even with extensive media coverage, it's difficult at times to know what is real and what is not.

But even the truth often doesn't make a difference. Journalistic evidence aside, when it's Hamas' word against Israel's, Hamas always seems to come out on top. Indeed, some of your comments (including false accusations against the Israelis) are evidence of this.

[+and-then]

20 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I detest needless civilian casualties during war time no matter the country responsible,

The case can be made and justified that Israel is already doing everything it can to both protect civilians as well as prosecute a war to finish an enemy that must be destroyed.  It cannot leave Hamas in power to reconstitute and strike Israel again.  The very fact that we know Hamas surrounds itself with civilians should make one understand it will be impossible to avoid civilian deaths if efforts are made to kill Hamas fighters.  

The bottom line is that the sooner Israel destroys Hamas in detail, the fewer casualties will be suffered by those civilians.  If Hamas remains in power, or if the war drags on for years due to Israel being unable to strike the fighters for fear of killing civilians, more civilians will inevitably perish there.

[Claira]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

The bottom line is that the sooner Israel destroys Hamas in detail, the fewer casualties will be suffered by those civilians.  If Hamas remains in power, or if the war drags on for years due to Israel being unable to strike the fighters for fear of killing civilians, more civilians will inevitably perish there.

Perhaps one day more Palestinians will come to realize that Hamas is their enemy, not Israel. If one is to detest the 'needless civilian casualties during war' (as most people do) they should also detest the needless civilian deaths during times of peace, and ask just how many Palestinians Hamas has killed, imprisoned and/tortured during the time they've been in power.

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 hours ago, Claira said:

Nonsense. All that Israel requires of journalists covering the war is that they be accompanied by Israeli military escorts and that they allow the military to review their footage before it's broadcast. Not only is that reasonable given security concerns, Israel has the authority to make such requests. The restrictions are not so much on what journalists are allowed or not allowed to see, but on what they are allowed to report. Troop movements and other occurrences that may pose a security risk are examples of what cannot be reported.

If that is an accurate assessment, then why are all the reports coming out of Gaza made by groups that support Hamas?

I don’t recall seeing a single media update by an embedded Western News Correspondent, if you disagree please provide a source. 

9 hours ago, Claira said:

Israel often responds to false accusations with real evidence and are far more transparent than Hamas is. If you want to take issue, take it with Hamas and its supporters who have produced a plethora of deepfake AI-generated and other images of blood-soaked infants and other atrocities supposedly committed by Israel. Even with extensive media coverage, it's difficult at times to know what is real and what is not.

I do take issue with Hamas and its supporters, further I realize that much of what is reported is bias or misinformation. I also agree it is difficult to separate fact from fiction, however most of that could be avoided if there were front line Western News Correspondents that were allowed to give an accurate assessment of these situations unfortunately that is not happening at this time.

9 hours ago, Claira said:

But even the truth often doesn't make a difference. Journalistic evidence aside, when it's Hamas' word against Israel's, Hamas always seems to come out on top. Indeed, some of your comments (including false accusations against the Israelis) are evidence of this.

My comments are not false, post a single article that has been prepared by a foreign News Correspondent from inside GAZA?

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, and-then said:

The case can be made and justified that Israel is already doing everything it can to both protect civilians as well as prosecute a war to finish an enemy that must be destroyed.  It cannot leave Hamas in power to reconstitute and strike Israel again.  The very fact that we know Hamas surrounds itself with civilians should make one understand it will be impossible to avoid civilian deaths if efforts are made to kill Hamas fighters.  

The bottom line is that the sooner Israel destroys Hamas in detail, the fewer casualties will be suffered by those civilians.  If Hamas remains in power, or if the war drags on for years due to Israel being unable to strike the fighters for fear of killing civilians, more civilians will inevitably perish there.

Once Israel destroys Hamas there may be a brief peace. However, sooner rather than later a new Palestinian terrorist organization will spring to life supported by Iran. Recruitment will be easy for them, because all the male family members who lost wives and children will line up to join that organization. If any of the current Palestinian civilian population didn’t support Hamas before, they certainly do now. The only way to prevent this is to exterminate the entire Palestinian population currently living in Gaza. Now, I am aware this is not Israel’s intent, however after the death and destruction caused by this conflict I don’t believe peace can be had any other way there is far to much resentment on both sides..

JIMHO

[Claira]

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

If that is an accurate assessment, then why are all the reports coming out of Gaza made by groups that support Hamas?

Not all reports coming out of Gaza support Hamas, but yes, the anti-Israeli bias is omnipresent, regardless of the facts. But to be fair, there is an anti-Palestinian bias as well.

1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I don’t recall seeing a single media update by an embedded Western News Correspondent, if you disagree please provide a source. 

You really do need to get out more. Here's an article that lists the names of some of the journalists embedded with the IDF at one point or another. I selected this one as the journalists also discuss the restrictions placed on them.

There, I've killed two birds with one stone. You'll probably say it was with a 2,000 lb bomb, but I can assure you it was a low-yield, high precision stone, but I bet it felt like a 2,000 pounder didn't it.

https://newrepublic.com/article/176919/cnn-abc-nbc-reporters-embedding-israeli-military-gaza

 

Edited August 14 by Claira