Ellen White Prophecies

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

4 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

No. There are many true Christians in any denomination... should be the same teachings of dying to self, or selflessness. The very opposite of fallen human nature. 

And yet …. Seventh Day Inventists add stuff to the Bible. They “reinterpret” things, they have a prophet who helpfully came along to say “well, it actually means this…” wherein “this” benefitted them all in direct contravention of strictures firmly spelled out in the Bible, many from the lips of Christ himself. Don’t get me wrong, my lot haven’t always been Godly (far from it) but at least we were founded by an Apostle. 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

18 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

23 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

No. There are many true Christians in any denomination... should be the same teachings of dying to self, or selflessness. The very opposite of fallen human nature. 

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And yet …. Seventh Day Inventists add stuff to the Bible. They “reinterpret” things, they have a prophet who helpfully came along to say “well, it actually means this…” wherein “this” benefitted them all in direct contravention of strictures firmly spelled out in the Bible, many from the lips of Christ himself. Don’t get me wrong, my lot haven’t always been Godly (far from it) but at least we were founded by an Apostle. 

Question for you.. please quote something from SDA fundamental beliefs that is a misinterpretation or unbiblical. Something that we "added" to the Bible...especially where we contradicted the words of Christ Himself. 

I believe you're Catholic? If so I have much much very much to say about the unbiblical teachings of your church... I say this respectfully not as an attack against you... Peter was not the first Pope..the dead are not in purgatory or burning in hell right now in some hidden place, Mary and other saint are not to be worshipped, you cannot speak to the dead and should not pray to them, the catholic priests cannot forgive sins and the Pope is not "God on earth" etc etc. These are all I can bring to mind without looking...this website lists others: https://carm.org/roman-catholicism/a-list-of-false-teachings-in-the-roman-catholic-church/

The only reason why I'm bringing this up is because you're alluding to your church (which i believe was Catholic?) having more Bible based teachings than the Adventist Church. Correct me if I am wrong with the Catholic part. Disregard all this if I am wrong about that. 

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

So you don’t hold the the prophesy of someone as scripture, in full and clear contravention of Biblical instruction? 
You don’t have your own specially written version of the Bible with its own special SDA annotations? 
And yeah, I’m Catholic. Do you know, BTW, who the biggest critics of Catholicism are? Catholics.

[Piney]

7 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

So you don’t hold the the prophesy of someone as scripture, in full and clear contravention of Biblical instruction? 
You don’t have your own specially written version of the Bible with its own special SDA annotations? 
And yeah, I’m Catholic. Do you know, BTW, who the biggest critics of Catholicism are? Catholics.

The German Jesuits are scientists. The American Conservatives are Bible literalists. 

You don't get a bigger disagreement than that. 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 8/10/2024 at 6:19 PM, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

**Feel free to share your thoughts! I will post my conclusions at some point later.  

Number 1 sounds so much like Chemtrails. Number 2 sounds like the world trade center catastrophe. Even the text it's taken from is similar to the date, Testimonies Volume 9, the chapter begins on page 11 and she accounts the vision right after the end of that page. 

Edited August 14 by ReadTheGreatControversyEGW

[cormac mac airt]

1 hour ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Number 1 sounds so much like Chemtrails. Number 2 sounds like the world trade center catastrophe. Even the text it's taken from is similar to the date, Testimonies Volume 9, the chapter begins on page 11 and she accounts the vision right after the end of that page. 

It actually starts on page 14 and the section actually reads as follows: 

 

These are about actual buildings she saw and not some “vision”. It’s about as generic as an account can get. 
 

cormac

[Piney]

6 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

It actually starts on page 14 and the section actually reads as follows: 

 

These are about actual buildings she saw and not some “vision”. It’s about as generic as an account can get. 
 

cormac

When Jesus didn't return as she predicted she blamed her church members for not being devote enough.

8 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Number 1 sounds so much like Chemtrails.

🤣🤣🤣

[+Hammerclaw]

7 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

It actually starts on page 14 and the section actually reads as follows: 

 

These are about actual buildings she saw and not some “vision”. It’s about as generic as an account can get. 
 

cormac

Like predicting rain on a cloudy Thursday, after 4 pm with thunder and lightning on a hot August day.

[eight bits]

Compared with what?

Now this is a "vision." It ran in the New York Times May 2, 1968, p. 38 (usual citation, I didn't check it with microfilm records).

The plane is depicted as headed for the NE face of the North Tower (I did check the site plan against the image), where the first plane struck on September 11, 2001.

No prophet was involved. One of the ad sponsors owned the Empire State Building, which survived a plane crash in 1945. Dude knew about airplanes and tall buildings, and rationally foresaw a potential problem. He had an economic motive to lobby for less competition. Getting the visual detail correct was just a bonus. The oblique reference to Mohammed is eerie enough, but it's just a saying about mountains coming to someone.

Compared with this, Ellen's prediction is paltry. And this isn't even a prediction, just a warning about a potential problem.

 

[Will Due]

 

Conclusion: there is no God.  

 

 

[+Hammerclaw]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

When Jesus didn't return as she predicted she blamed her church members for not being devote enough.

🤣🤣🤣

Another Millerite charlatan making excuses.

[Piney]

41 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Another Millerite charlatan making excuses.

She literally dropped out of his ass. Grabbed his predictions and started moving the goalposts out of the field and into the next town.

[+Hammerclaw]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

She literally dropped out of his ass. Grabbed his predictions and started moving the goalposts out of the field and into the next town.

As well as going rather extrabiblical in suggesting human beings have agency in either thwarting or bringing about the Second Coming...

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

A prophecy describing the scene of disaster surrounding something that will actually happen as a matter of fact is much stronger than just some man foreseeing a potential problem with planes and tall buildings. She didn't say anything about the source of the fire. 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 8/13/2024 at 10:30 PM, cormac mac airt said:

It actually starts on page 14 and the section actually reads as follows: 

 

These are about actual buildings she saw and not some “vision”. It’s about as generic as an account can get. 

This is from a compilation...sure you noticed the 12 on the side of it. Also, maybe you haven't read much of Ellen White but when she said "the next scene that passed before me" she's describing things she saw in a vision. Satan moved Jesus to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. Matt 4:8. Jesus wasn't going to see all that by just standing on a high mountain. 

[Piney]

1 hour ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

This is from a compilation...sure you noticed the 12 on the side of it. Also, maybe you haven't read much of Ellen White but when she said "the next scene that passed before me" she's describing things she saw in a vision.

The prophecy was also suppose to happen during the Civil War but keep moving those goalposts. 

[eight bits]

5 hours ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

A prophecy describing the scene of disaster surrounding something that will actually happen as a matter of fact is much stronger than just some man foreseeing a potential problem with planes and tall buildings. She didn't say anything about the source of the fire. 

You seem not to get the point. The ad has more accurate detail about what actually happened than what your cult characterizes as a prophetic vision. And yet there is nothing supernatural about the level of performance in the ad.

There is also nothing supernatural about saying that someday NYC firefighters will experience some difficulty extinguishing some fire in some tall building. That's not a prophecy, it is common sense.

From a more philosophical perspective, much depends on whether or not you believe the future is predetermined. If yes, then fine, but it is pointless to discuss such a future; que sera, sera is all there is to say. BUT if a person believes that the future isn't yet determined, and if that person is honest, then they won't often say that something will actually happen as a matter of fact. They will talk about what is possible, and what is probable.

Conclude: "prophecy" is either a feel-good exercise without practical effect, or it is dishonest, or in Ellen's case, both IMO.

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 minutes ago, eight bits said:

You seem not to get the point. The ad has more accurate detail about what actually happened than what your cult characterizes as a prophetic vision. And yet there is nothing supernatural about the level of performance in the ad.

There is also nothing supernatural about saying that someday NYC firefighters will experience some difficulty extinguishing some fire in some tall building. That's not a prophecy, it is common sense.

From a more philosophical perspective, much depends on whether or not you believe the future is predetermined. If yes, then fine, but it is pointless to discuss such a future; que sera, sera is all there is to say. BUT if a person believes that the future isn't yet determined, and if that person is honest, then they won't often say that something will actually happen as a matter of fact. They will talk about what is possible, and what is probable.

Conclude: "prophecy" is either a feel-good exercise without practical effect, or it is dishonest, or in Ellen's case, both IMO.

Thanks for your input very well said!

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

15 hours ago, eight bits said:

than what your cult characterizes as a prophetic vision

I rather be in my supposed "cult" than the one you're in..😄 that you're in one, a secret one, hard to prove otherwise.. 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 8/14/2024 at 6:04 AM, eight bits said:

The plane is depicted as headed for the NE face of the North Tower (I did check the site plan against the image), where the first plane struck on September 11, 2001.

No prophet was involved. One of the ad sponsors owned the Empire State Building, which survived a plane crash in 1945. Dude knew about airplanes and tall buildings, and rationally foresaw a potential problem. He had an economic motive to lobby for less competition. Getting the visual detail correct was just a bonus. The oblique reference to Mohammed is eerie enough, but it's just a saying about mountains coming to someone.

So you're one of the people who don't believe this was planned uh? 😄

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 8/14/2024 at 6:04 AM, eight bits said:

Now this is a "vision." It ran in the New York Times May 2, 1968, p. 38 (usual citation, I didn't check it with microfilm records).

The thing you're missing is that Ellen White's vision (1901) of tall buildings burning to the ground in New York took place long before the Twin Towers were built (began about 1967ish). She has the upper hand. It's nothing for some dude to see the potential of it... the buildings were a hazard for air traffic...duh! Lol 😆 

[cormac mac airt]

1 hour ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

The thing you're missing is that Ellen White's vision (1901) of tall buildings burning to the ground in New York took place long before the Twin Towers were built (began about 1967ish). She has the upper hand. It's nothing for some dude to see the potential of it... the buildings were a hazard for air traffic...duh! Lol 😆 

Not to any competent pilot….DUH!

cormac

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 8/14/2024 at 6:04 AM, eight bits said:

Compared with this, Ellen's prediction is paltry. And this isn't even a prediction, just a warning about a potential problem.

The author of this article you shared said Rockefeller was his boss and is the person to speak to if one is concerned about the potential catastrophe. There is an image of Rockefeller sitting in a window in New York overlooking some skyscrapers with a watch on his hand, one hand on 9 and the other on 11. The article you shared is an example of "predictive programming" or what they also called "foreshadowing." These are very very wicked people who take their orders from el Diablo. They're just giving hints about things they plan to do. Check it out --> 

 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

Season 9, Ep1. 

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

@eight bits

You might find this enlightening also.. a friend of a Rockefeller exposes that they had this plan all along. He stated how Rockefeller was very nice to him but the man cared not for the lives of other people. He told him about what was going to happen at the World Trade centers long before it ever did and the resulting war that was planned. Governments are great...but it's sad to see when they're infiltrated by mad people.