The Trump Theory

[MrsGently]

The Trump movement has shaped into a pro authocracy movement and they're not even shy about it. You can read it in the agenda they've put forward, you can see it in the changes the GOP has gone through the last 4 years, you can see it in the communication and organisation structure they've coralled their supporters into...

Trump's campaign is a disaster that doesn't make any sense under "normal" political circumstances. It is what it is because he is not  trying to win. He only needs his supporters to be convinced he could have won.

Because what they want is a complete restructuring of the government in the USA. Being elected with all checks & balances in place will make that basically impossible. What they need is a violent revolution. The country in a state of emergency means the executive power factually is in the hands of not the elected officials but the very few folks in charge of dealing with the emergency. From there on it is much easier to install the authocratic structure of government they try to achieve.

 

And we already know how they want to do it. The Bulwark free article on the original RollingStone story:

 

Edited August 11 by MrsGently
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[joseraul]

Bipartisanship really undermines freedom and effective policymaking.

People will stick up for their party rather than for the good of the country/American people.

 

The average American gets swept up in the Red vs Blue, Democrat vs Republican tribalism.. and it provides a great distraction

Distraction from the real struggle which is the struggle of Class. The Politicians and policymakers that run this country do not get the average rugged American experience yet they pass policy that ultimately protects big business, the elite, the economy and not the working class which props those things up.

 

Donald Trump represents the unapologetic version of this. He's been able to successfully pander to extreme Far Right idealogies that disguise racism as a middle/low income class struggle for the White population in which the enemy is the immigrant and your neighbor, the people who don't agree with you but never an Elon Musk or an American Oligarch (unless theyre democrat)

There is unity in hate and he is successful at capitalizing on this. He's also successfully pandered to the evangelical right, who believe he is motivated by religious righteousness and will make this a Christian nation - when in reality hoarding wealth and wealth in general is text book not what Jesus was into.

Make no mistake though, the right and left wings, after a certain income level are all part of the same monster.

 

Evil is very ambitious.

[acidhead]

6 minutes ago, joseraul said:

Bipartisanship really undermines freedom and effective policymaking.

People will stick up for their party rather than for the good of the country/American people.

 

The average American gets swept up in the Red vs Blue, Democrat vs Republican tribalism.. and it provides a great distraction

Distraction from the real struggle which is the struggle of Class. The Politicians and policymakers that run this country do not get the average rugged American experience yet they pass policy that ultimately protects big business, the elite, the economy and not the working class which props those things up.

 

Donald Trump represents the unapologetic version of this. He's been able to successfully pander to extreme Far Right idealogies that disguise racism as a middle/low income class struggle for the White population in which the enemy is the immigrant and your neighbor, the people who don't agree with you but never an Elon Musk or an American Oligarch (unless theyre democrat)

There is unity in hate and he is successful at capitalizing on this. He's also successfully pandered to the evangelical right, who believe he is motivated by religious righteousness and will make this a Christian nation - when in reality hoarding wealth and wealth in general is text book not what Jesus was into.

Make no mistake though, the right and left wings, after a certain income level are all part of the same monster.

 

Evil is very ambitious.

Yes. 99% agree with your whole post. (Except for mass illegal immigration. It's literally an invasion at this point) 

My summary:

Coke(Republicans) vs Pepsi(Democrats)

- the illusion of choice 

The centralized power of control remains untouched regardless which candidate ultimately wins. Control over the money supply.

Foreign and Monetary policy virtually identical. 

[+Desertrat56]

7 hours ago, MrsGently said:

The Trump movement has shaped into a pro authocracy movement and they're not even shy about it. You can read it in the agenda they've put forward, you can see it in the changes the GOP has gone through the last 4 years, you can see it in the communication and organisation structure they've coralled their supporters into...

Trump's campaign is a disaster that doesn't make any sense under "normal" political circumstances. It is what it is because he is not  trying to win. He only needs his supporters to be convinced he could have won.

Because what they want is a complete restructuring of the government in the USA. Being elected with all checks & balances in place will make that basically impossible. What they need is a violent revolution. The country in a state of emergency means the executive power factually is in the hands of not the elected officials but the very few folks in charge of dealing with the emergency. From there on it is much easier to install the authocratic structure of government they try to achieve.

 

And we already know how they want to do it. The Bulwark free article on the original RollingStone story:

 

Southern New Mexico got rid of 3 elected officials who were Trump supporters because of illegal acts they did before and after the 2020 election.   It is too bad that no one pays attention to what goes on politically in New Mexico, but people from out of state and Mexico use our state to get into federal politics (Bill Richardson was one and he was proven over and over to be a crook, could not even keep an appointed position more than a year).  This year we have an immigrant from Kentucky wanting us to elect him as our representative to Congress.   The imaginary "two party" system has created the problem of Trumpism and people moving states in order to get federal elected positions (the Bush family is another example of that, though they moved to Texas).

[Alchopwn]

7 hours ago, joseraul said:

Bipartisanship really undermines freedom and effective policymaking.

People will stick up for their party rather than for the good of the country/American people.

Bipartisanship means when the two sides of politics come together and agree on things.  I know.  I'm a linguist.  I looked it up.

[+Desertrat56]

50 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Bipartisanship means when the two sides of politics come together and agree on things.  I know.  I'm a linguist.  I looked it up.

Yep, we want bipartisanship, what we don't want is divisive party lines that no one will cross, which is called partisan politics.

[CrimsonKing]

2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Yep, we want bipartisanship, what we don't want is divisive party lines that no one will cross, which is called partisan politics.

Bipartisanship walked away after Bill Clinton's first term... it's like watching 2 football teams play and the voters are just the rabid fans,who's own team is the only one that plays fair in their own minds.

Not sure how we can ever get it back on track.

[Tatetopa]

55 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Not sure how we can ever get it back on track.

I don't know if we can, but I guess it will require respect, social  politeness. hope, pride in who we are and recognition we can be better.    Leaders will have to model that behavior,  We won't change if leaders are immune to laws and social norms.

Tim Walz took me back to my childhood.  My grandparents were definitely not woke, they would not approve of  many current events.  However, the thing that makes Tim familiar to me is that my grandparents were work hard, help your neighbors, and mind your own business kind of people.. 

[+Sherapy]

1 hour ago, CrimsonKing said:

Bipartisanship walked away after Bill Clinton's first term... it's like watching 2 football teams play and the voters are just the rabid fans,who's own team is the only one that plays fair in their own minds.

Not sure how we can ever get it back on track.

 

Well you have a good analogy ck but in a football game, the umpires are there to enforce the rules and ensure fair play, which is critical for good sportsmanship. When teams respect the rules and each other, it lends to a more enjoyable game for everyone involved. In politics, especially during Trump’s time and campaigning the spirit of sportsmanship is lacking. Instead of working together and respecting the democratic process, the focus has been shifted to all about trump who made his own crappy choices that have brought him his problems, trump polarizes people. 

I want a more positive pro active political atmosphere, leaders who prioritize teamwork and collaboration. We are always gonna have issues, things that work and don’t, but there are always solutions if one is proactive. 

 

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[MrsGently]

34 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

 

Well you have a good analogy ck but in a football game, the umpires are there to enforce the rules and ensure fair play, which is critical for good sportsmanship. When teams respect the rules and each other, it lends to a more enjoyable game for everyone involved. In politics, especially during Trump’s time and campaigning the spirit of sportsmanship is lacking. Instead of working together and respecting the democratic process, the focus has been shifted to all about trump who made his own crappy choices that have brought him his problems, trump polarizes people. 

I want a more positive pro active political atmosphere, leaders who prioritize teamwork and collaboration. We are always gonna have issues, things that work and don’t, but there are always solutions if one is proactive. 

 

Everybody swears to the Cheerleader Code and it'll be fine.

I am only half joking. But also globally we should rethink democracy towards more participation of the citizens in decision making. And somehow find a way to better implement code of conduct rules to fight corruption etc.

I mean that's the issue that leads to all the tribal fighting. Lobbies influencing public opinion and politics and once every four years a big spectacle to show your team colours is just outdated.

We have many parties over here, but I don't really identify with a single one. Many though inherit their party from their parents. It's from as far as I can see similar in the US. If we'd focus more on the issues and even get a vote on them like the Roe v. Wade stuff as example, it'd change the "climate" I believe.

[+Sherapy]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I don't know if we can, but I guess it will require respect, social  politeness. hope, pride in who we are and recognition we can be better.    Leaders will have to model that behavior,  We won't change if leaders are immune to laws and social norms.

Tim Walz took me back to my childhood.  My grandparents were definitely not woke, they would not approve of  many current events.  However, the thing that makes Tim familiar to me is that my grandparents were work hard, help your neighbors, and mind your own business kind of people.. 

 One cannot help but like this guy, he reminds me of everything great about community, caring about each other and yes, if you do not like others personal choices mind your own beeswax. 

[+Sherapy]

1 hour ago, MrsGently said:

Everybody swears to the Cheerleader Code and it'll be fine.

I am only half joking. But also globally we should rethink democracy towards more participation of the citizens in decision making. And somehow find a way to better implement code of conduct rules to fight corruption etc.

I mean that's the issue that leads to all the tribal fighting. Lobbies influencing public opinion and politics and once every four years a big spectacle to show your team colours is just outdated.

We have many parties over here, but I don't really identify with a single one. Many though inherit their party from their parents. It's from as far as I can see similar in the US. If we'd focus more on the issues and even get a vote on them like the Roe v. Wade stuff as example, it'd change the "climate" I believe.

Well said💖I have changed parties over the course of my lifetime too, things change and we have to adapt.

Edited August 11 by Sherapy

[+Desertrat56]

4 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

Bipartisanship walked away after Bill Clinton's first term... it's like watching 2 football teams play and the voters are just the rabid fans,who's own team is the only one that plays fair in their own minds.

Not sure how we can ever get it back on track.

The only way seems to be to get rid of both of those parties, ranked choice voting and everyone votes in the primaries, not just those registered with the two parties.   At one time 40% of the registered voters were registered independent, meaning they chose neither party, so they had no vote in the primaries and were left to choose one of the two that the parties chose, or vote 3rd choice if there was one.   I don't know what the percentage is now, but nothing else has changed, even though we do have a third party that is on the ballot in all 50 states, they don't seem to care about winning any federal position.

[joseraul]

8 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Bipartisanship means when the two sides of politics come together and agree on things.  I know.  I'm a linguist.  I looked it up.

Welcome to Semantics

 

The average uneducated know not what these terms actually mean, other than what the their echo chamber tells them...

 

Your statement reflects upon that, I'd assume. I myself am young and all of the time I am learning.

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[the13bats]

Not sure i fully blame the gop it seems to me as a person who never was into politics and party neutral that the thing that killed the gop was some members worship of a convicted felon

Thats why i refer to such subjects as magaT i cant tell you how many friends who were proud lifelong gop lost a party due to tRumpy and the fact tRumpy and his subjects made up a name for gop who hate trump just confirms my thinking.

[Raptor Witness]

On 8/11/2024 at 2:54 AM, MrsGently said:

He only needs his supporters to be convinced he could have won.

This race will tighten up, if the United States goes to war in the Middle East with Iran. The reason is simple. The weak minded majority, among U.S. will likely decide they need a strongman, instead of a "relatively" weak woman with an Arabic sounding first name, in the White House.

I've been forecasting here for years that a U.S. attack on Iran, using air power, is the tripwire to Hell on Earth, and I still stand by my forecast. The stage is now set perfectly for this to happen.

It's been widely reported that Netanyahu has no choice. Like DJT, Netanyahu is headed for jail for corruption, unless he starts a bigger war. So he's basically being motivated, at least in part, by lawlessness, just as DJT is.

[MrsGently]

3 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

This race will tighten up, if the United States goes to war in the Middle East with Iran. The reason is simple. The weak minded majority, among U.S. will likely decide they need a strongman, instead of a "relatively" weak woman with an Arabic sounding first name, in the White House.

I've been forecasting here for years that a U.S. attack on Iran, using air power, is the tripwire to Hell on Earth, and I still stand by my forecast. The stage is now set perfectly for this to happen.

It's been widely reported that Netanyahu has no choice. Like DJT, Netanyahu is headed for jail for corruption, unless he starts a bigger war. So he's basically being motivated, at least in part, by lawlessness, just as DJT is.

No. This has nothing to do with strong man. A 80 year old in diapers and a Jamaican-Indian American neither fit anywhere in your narrative.

Netanyahu didn't have a choice because his country is the one fighting a terror organization. Iran does have a choice, but they spent a lot of time, money and effort into supporting and building and training those terror organizations. But that totally doesn't matter for my Trump Theory either way.

[Raptor Witness]

5 hours ago, MrsGently said:

No. This has nothing to do with strong man. A 80 year old in diapers and a Jamaican-Indian American neither fit anywhere in your narrative.

Netanyahu didn't have a choice because his country is the one fighting a terror organization. Iran does have a choice, but they spent a lot of time, money and effort into supporting and building and training those terror organizations. But that totally doesn't matter for my Trump Theory either way.

I suspect the “stage” has already been “set” by a Higher Power, for reasons that escape the comprehension of most mortal men.

It’s likely over for U.S., and while I hope for a quick end to our trial, I have a bad feeling that we’re at The End of this madness of “mutually assured destruction,” as a policy, which is a government threatening suicide for all of U.S., while otherwise pretending to be sane.

How does “Life, Liberty, and a Pursuit of Happiness” possibly allow for a posture of “mutually assured destruction?”

The answer should be obvious. It doesn’t. Our government is a fraud, by the very measure used to create it.

Therefore, it must,  and will be soon be destroyed, by the very Higher Power and Authority used to argue for the existence of our rights.

Get ready, because this drama you imagine to understand, is not in the hands of mortal men. The “Creator,”  who made the “stage,” has had enough of U.S., and our big lie, which is simply what Trump is a proud product of.

 

[MrsGently]

1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said:

I suspect the “stage” has already been “set” by a Higher Power, for reasons that escape the comprehension of most mortal men.

It’s likely over for U.S., and while I hope for a quick end to our trial, I have a bad feeling that we’re at The End of this madness of “mutually assured destruction,” as a policy, which is a government threatening suicide for all of U.S., while otherwise pretending to be sane.

How does “Life, Liberty, and a Pursuit of Happiness” possibly allow for a posture of “mutually assured destruction?”

The answer should be obvious. It doesn’t. Our government is a fraud, by the very measure used to create it.

Therefore, it must,  and will be soon be destroyed, by the very Higher Power and Authority used to argue for the existence of our rights.

Get ready, because this drama you imagine to understand, is not in the hands of mortal men. The “Creator,”  who made the “stage,” has had enough of U.S., and our big lie, which is simply what Trump is a proud product of.

 

You know that's from the Declaration of independence, the best political declaration this planet has ever seen, right?

Religion throughout history has been busy giving people laws for a very long time up to the end of the Roman Empire. Until Christianity and when many who felt religiously persecuted took the ship West. Because of that what we see now, with religious extremists backing Trump and pushing for authocracy in the US, it has come full circle.

We're at a point where Christianity fears the anti-christ, because it's apocalyptic Evangelicals who have turned against God and his guidance for humanity towards law & order and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Not only that, but the champion of the Evangelicals is a crook backed by the Family who have given up on honesty and integrity and an upstanding character all together to end everything right and true politics has achieved to this day.

[MrsGently]

Starting 4:15 ish a take on the issue:

 

[Raptor Witness]

28 minutes ago, MrsGently said:

You know that's from the Declaration of independence, the best political declaration this planet has ever seen, right?

I don’t know about “the best,” but I admire its integrity, by assuming there is a “Creator,” to ultimately protect U.S. from ourselves, or our delusions of humanism.

I’ve pondered many things, openly here, over the years, but now I fear doing that, and here’s why. Roughly two months before the former President was shot on stage, I made the following argument here.

Post #79

Since my forecast here, I have been threatened more than one time, to my face, in ways that no American should ever be. Despite my publishing under a pseudonym

I feel much like the late Alexei Navalny, except I have no political ambitions. I will remain of no particular consequence, unless and until, I’m asked by the “Creator.”

I can say, repent.

[MrsGently]

12 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

I don’t know about “the best,” but I admire its integrity, by assuming there is a “Creator,” to ultimately protect U.S. from ourselves, or our delusions of humanism.

I’ve pondered many things, openly here, over the years, but now I fear doing that, and here’s why. Roughly two months before the former President was shot on stage, I made the following argument here.

Post #79

Since my forecast here, I have been threatened more than one time, to my face, in ways that no American should ever be. Despite my publishing under a pseudonym

I feel much like the late Alexei Navalny, except I have no political ambitions. I will remain of no particular consequence, unless and until, I’m asked by the “Creator.”

I can say, repent.

Mhm ouch as humanist looking at Christianity deifying a human to put themself on one level with God... I assure you we are not the problem.

But I somewhat agree if there ever was a time when going down on your knees to repent just in case seemed like a good idea that'd be now.

Beware the false prophets. Trump is a tool like every other human being. An agent of chaos and the psychological experience you have with this is best to be approached as test, you know? Don't ever be convinced of your own writings.

Trump is willing to kill millions for fame, money, power and that's not something he wants to the benefit of any other than himself. J.C. struggled to free his people from authoritarian Roman Rule because they refused to equal the Roman Caesar with God. And here you are equaling Trump to J.C. but in reverse, to enslave the Leader of the Free World which is the US of A under crooks worse than Nero.

Edited August 13 by MrsGently
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[Alchopwn]

On 8/12/2024 at 8:40 AM, joseraul said:

Welcome to Semantics

No.  Welcome to the proper use of terms you don't understand.  Using words correctly and calling things by their proper names is fundamental to clear communication.

You had used bipartisanship as its own antonym.  You could hardly be more incorrect.

[joseraul]

I concede. I was incorrect. 

 

English is not my first language. 

 

Was my message destroyed by this?

and if it was, move on.

[joseraul]

Could you have conveyed my message any better?