What happened to the media?

[+Sherapy]

53 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

The little I saw of it,I was thinking technical difficulties...

That is the statement they put out. But, facts are he slurs and rants and confabulates all the time and is uncontrollably combative. 

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[F3SS]

2 hours ago, Sherapy said:

Trump does a lot of slurring. He rants too he doesn't stay on topic this is common to dementia too, no ability to focus. At 78 he is not cognitively sharp and he isn't gonna get sharper. You are just replacing biden with trump. Both are in the same cognitve boat. The difference is the democratic party spoke up. We are not afraid to speak up. 

They are not in the same cognitive boat. It simply just isn't the case. Trump is still more sharp and aware than Biden was 5 years ago. I just have no idea what you're talking about and I don't think you do either. All "81 million" of you pretended you couldn't see how age was kicking Biden in the ass. You never spoke up. None of you did. In fact, you didn't do anything at all. You didn't even vote for your ticket and made no demands. You took what they gave you without a choice and towed the line lying to yourself about how great and refreshing the new ticket is. 

[CrimsonKing]

13 minutes ago, F3SS said:

They are not in the same cognitive boat. It simply just isn't the case. Trump is still more sharp and aware than Biden was 5 years ago. I just have no idea what you're talking about and I don't think you do either. All "81 million" of you pretended you couldn't see how age was kicking Biden in the ass. You never spoke up. None of you did. In fact, you didn't do anything at all. You didn't even vote for your ticket and made no demands. You took what they gave you without a choice and towed the line lying to yourself about how great and refreshing the new ticket is. 

I remember just months back calling out how far gone he was... crickets.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/15/us-news/crowd-leaves-joint-biden-harris-event-early-after-vp-hands-off-lectern-to-lame-duck-prez/

I actually kinda feel bad for him,6 months ago he was the man any and all Republicans feared...now he's just a dried up old shell no one wants.

Wonder if he's aware enough to know just how badly he was used.

[+Sherapy]

17 minutes ago, F3SS said:

They are not in the same cognitive boat. It simply just isn't the case. Trump is still more sharp and aware than Biden was 5 years ago. I just have no idea what you're talking about and I don't think you do either. All "81 million" of you pretended you couldn't see how age was kicking Biden in the ass. You never spoke up. None of you did. In fact, you didn't do anything at all. You didn't even vote for your ticket and made no demands. You took what they gave you without a choice and towed the line lying to yourself about how great and refreshing the new ticket is. 

As you are doing many were in denial about Biden too. 

The rest of your post isn't clear, you can clarify and we can discuss or not.

[Doc Socks Junior]

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

This is the other thing you folks do. Assume we get our information from social media, or some radical right wing source. Even if no one used them as a source.

YouTube is social media. This was a discussion about my reticence to accept a YouTube video as reality. Hence...

As far as the most recent stellar example, the "Biden is actually dead" stupidity, promulgated by multiple right-wing people here, was a social media / dumb right-wing source phenomenon.

I see more Twitter / Youtube posts on here from right-wing users.

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

You mean like assuming people get their information from Facebook, or X? 

No, not like that.

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

No need to digest. I was just using it as a general example. My sincere apologies for making any assumptions though. I don’t recall you ever speaking out against this. Again my apologies for assuming. 

No worries. It's fine. I don't really want to wade into the morass there.

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

On that we agree. Some take a good cause and go to far with it. 

Whoop, common ground.

10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I’m not trying to score anything. Just posting about what I’ve seen. You may not have been involved in those conversations, but many here have. 

True enough.

[F3SS]

Just now, Sherapy said:

As you are doing many were in denial about Biden too. 

The rest of your post isn't clear, you can clarify and we can discuss or not.

Sorry, he's the same Trump we've been seeing for years. Not everybody's mind ages the same way. I would be concerned if I thought he was slipping but I see no evidence of that. 

It is clear. You said you're not afraid to speak up but you didn't. You accepted an almost nonexistent campaign from Biden in 2020 and downplayed or ignored his highly apparent old man issues. You sat idly by for 4 years until the media told you something was wrong and then you just accepted whatever sloppy seconds were given to you last month ignoring the fact that you weren't given a choice in the matter. You didn't speak up, you didn't have a say and you didn't have a problem with that. Quit acting like you had anything to do with it. You don't even care that Harris was complicit in covering up Bidens issues. She's a shark. She couldn't wait for that debate. She knew what would happen and now look where she is. She never even had to work for it. 

[F3SS]

16 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I remember just months back calling out how far gone he was... crickets.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/15/us-news/crowd-leaves-joint-biden-harris-event-early-after-vp-hands-off-lectern-to-lame-duck-prez/

I actually kinda feel bad for him,6 months ago he was the man any and all Republicans feared...now he's just a dried up old shell no one wants.

Wonder if he's aware enough to know just how badly he was used.

I think he's well aware of it actually amd probably has little to say to a lot of people around him right now. Probably very awkward in the white house these days. I also tend to feel a little bad for him but that's also because he's old and helpless. DC is a dirty place to work but I can't forget that he's been one of the dirtiest in Washington for longer than I've been alive and I'll be 45 soon!

[+Sherapy]

10 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Sorry, he's the same Trump we've been seeing for years. Not everybody's mind ages the same way. I would be concerned if I thought he was slipping but I see no evidence of that. 

It is clear. You said you're not afraid to speak up but you didn't. You accepted an almost nonexistent campaign from Biden in 2020 and downplayed or ignored his highly apparent old man issues. You sat idly by for 4 years until the media told you something was wrong and then you just accepted whatever sloppy seconds were given to you last month ignoring the fact that you weren't given a choice in the matter. You didn't speak up, you didn't have a say and you didn't have a problem with that. Quit acting like you had anything to do with it. You don't even care that Harris was complicit in covering up Bidens issues. She's a shark. She couldn't wait for that debate. She knew what would happen and now look where she is. She never even had to work for it. 

I chose Biden, I worked for a Dr./attorney at the time that was offerred a job on his administration  and knew him well. We all understood that he was a transitional president and voted on a ticket with Harris as potentially taking his place if he decided not to run again due to his age. Many voted for him even older. Biden has chosen to step down and harris is his endorsement and she is doing amazing on her own merit. I have nothing but major respect for Biden. 

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[CrimsonKing]

Just now, F3SS said:

I think he's well aware of it actually amd probably has little to say to a lot of people around him right now. Probably very awkward in the white house these days. I also tend to feel a little bad for him but that's also because he's old and helpless. DC is a dirty place to work but I can't forget that he's been one of the dirtiest in Washington for longer than I've been alive and I'll be 45 soon!

Oh I agree...

I never forget who Biden was before 4 years ago,even when everyone lost their minds and recounted him as being a damn near Saint lol

Just feels wrong though,he's the sitting 80 year old president,and absolutely no one cares what he had to say...

[F3SS]

38 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Oh I agree...

I never forget who Biden was before 4 years ago,even when everyone lost their minds and recounted him as being a damn near Saint lol

Just feels wrong though,he's the sitting 80 year old president,and absolutely no one cares what he had to say...

They were going to 25th amendment him and embarrass him if he didn't comply. I think the DOJ was right in their assessment that a jury would be too empathetic to judge him properly.

 

41 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

I chose Biden, I worked for a Dr.  at the time that was offerred a job on his administration and knew him well. We all understood that he was a transitional president and voted on a ticket with Harris as potentially taking his place if he decided not to run again due to his age. Many voted for him even older. Biden has chosen to step down and harris is his endorsement and she is doing amazing on her own merit. I have nothing but major respect for Biden. 

He was forced out if we're being honest but tell me, what amazing things has she done that impress you so much?

[+Link of Hyrule]

6 hours ago, Sherapy said:

Trump does a lot of slurring. He rants too he doesn't stay on topic this is common to dementia too, no ability to focus. At 78 he is not cognitively sharp and he isn't gonna get sharper. You are just replacing biden with trump. Both are in the same cognitve boat. The difference is the democratic party spoke up. We are not afraid to speak up. 

 

When did you realise Biden was in cognitive decline and did you ever express your concerns on UM, or to anyone, anywhere, ever?

Edit: a quick look at your post history found a post of yours from June 29, just after the first debate, you said there was no evidence that Biden was in decline you simply said he looked sleepy ("extremely tired", which you attributed to Biden working hard),  and that of the two Trump is clearly the one in decline. 

Do you still abide by that analysis?

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An aside: I specialize in dementia care, I am certified in it and have sat thru many a mini mental test with patients and cared for many types of dementia and Alzheimer’s and I worked for a Nuerologist for 3 years. At this point, not to say he couldn’t get late onset Alzheimer’s: but even with mild cognitive impairment Biden could not have stood on that stage and talked at all, let lone remember much of anything, he seemed extremely tired after all he works. Early signs before diagnosis is confabulating or lying all the time making things up that are grandiose and have no basis in reality which out of the two the most likely one to have Alzheimer’s at some point would be trump (plus his dad had it). IMO

 

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[Slugnutty]

3 hours ago, F3SS said:

They are not in the same cognitive boat. It simply just isn't the case. Trump is still more sharp and aware than Biden was 5 years ago. I just have no idea what you're talking about and I don't think you do either. All "81 million" of you pretended you couldn't see how age was kicking Biden in the ass. You never spoke up. None of you did. In fact, you didn't do anything at all. You didn't even vote for your ticket and made no demands. You took what they gave you without a choice and toed the line lying to yourself about how great and refreshing the new ticket is. 

Just saying. From way over here Bidens frailties were absolutely visible. But he still represented the better option. Now it’s simply no contest. 
I can’t understand how you can’t accept that on any level a convicted felon is an awful choice as a world leader. There is simply no credibility, and denying this is to deny the entire justice system, which is surely worse. 

[F3SS]

4 minutes ago, Slugnutty said:

Just saying. From way over here Bidens frailties were absolutely visible. But he still represented the better option. Now it’s simply no contest. 
I can’t understand how you can’t accept that on any level a convicted felon is an awful choice as a world leader. There is simply no credibility, and denying this is to deny the entire justice system, which is surely worse. 

That's a reasonable take but over here it was all passed off as "just Joe", "he has a stutter" and "you're an ahole to suggest otherwise".

Dude those felonies are as lame as it gets. After 8 years of nonstop investigations, harassment and the full weight of every government agency trying to take him down the best they could do was that? Nobody cares. His detractors don't either. They're just happy to say convicted felon on a technicality. As for the justice system? Nobody can argue it's perfect and criticizing certain courts and practices isn't a denial of the entire system. 

[Slugnutty]

3 minutes ago, F3SS said:

That's a reasonable take but over here it was all passed off as "just Joe", "he has a stutter" and "you're an ahole to suggest otherwise".

Dude those felonies are as lame as it gets. After 8 years of nonstop investigations, harassment and the full weight of every government agency trying to take him down the best they could do was that? Nobody cares. His detractors don't either. They're just happy to say convicted felon on a technicality. As for the justice system? Nobody can argue it's perfect and criticizing certain courts and practices isn't a denial of the entire system. 

Appreciate your measured reply. 
I also kinda see the weakness of the charges. But they are legit in terms of interpretation of the law. There was plenty of opportunity to defend the charges. But the system found him guilty. I agree criticising isn’t a denial of the entire system. But not accepting the judgement (by the potus) would be a denial of the entire system, so trump should not even be  in the frame and the gop should have dropped him immediately. 

[Slugnutty]

That trump left himself open to this is the mistake, and that’s on him, and well played dems. 

[F3SS]

43 minutes ago, Slugnutty said:

trump should not even be  in the frame and the gop should have dropped him immediately. 

Fair enough buy that's simply not the cards we are holding though the sentencing still looms.

[+Sherapy]

2 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

When did you realise Biden was in cognitive decline and did you ever express your concerns on UM, or to anyone, anywhere, ever?

Edit: a quick look at your post history found a post of yours from June 29, just after the first debate, you said there was no evidence that Biden was in decline you simply said he looked sleepy ("extremely tired", which you attributed to Biden working hard),  and that of the two Trump is clearly the one in decline. 

Do you still abide by that analysis?

 

At first, I didn't find the symptoms in Biden as obvious, he slurred too but he also stutters so I needed to watch more videos for a clearer picture. On the other hand, Trump’s symptoms became apparent to me quickly, due to the extensive media coverage on him. My position has revised to include both.
 

Edited August 16 by Sherapy

[+Sherapy]

2 hours ago, Slugnutty said:

Just saying. From way over here Bidens frailties were absolutely visible. But he still represented the better option. Now it’s simply no contest. 
I can’t understand how you can’t accept that on any level a convicted felon is an awful choice as a world leader. There is simply no credibility, and denying this is to deny the entire justice system, which is surely worse. 

Makes sense to me

[Slugnutty]

2 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Makes sense to me

When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?

 

[Tatetopa]

What happened to the media?  Is this still a topic on this thread? 

Maybe it was advertising dollars.  In the old days cereal makers and the automakers could sponsor hours and hours of news and entertaining TV.  As a kid, Post and Kellogg sponsored my Saturday morning cartoons and my mom bought me Frosted Flakes and Trix. It worked.  That seemed to be enough for the major networks to be profitable and happy.  Meanwhile, they had to put on programming that would get the most views and their marketing departments could sell that to the advertisers.  They got Nielsen ratings days after the programs went out.

One of Google's brilliant and dangerous innovations was targeted advertising.  All of the data could be analyzed almost in real time, And the amount of data they have on internet users is astounding compared to a Neilson 1 page questionnaire to TV viewers. Google could tell advertisers who watched, how old they were, what they bought and what they liked, and what they were likely to buy tomorrow.  Advertisers could target their desired cut of watchers and pay less than they had to networks. And I think content creators could  target very specific slices of consumers with their programming 

All programming became entertainment, something to attract viewers.  Advertising dollars drove that. Corporate Board's prime duty is to make money for stockholders.  So content creators can work in conjunction with advertisers  to produce a product that will attract exactly the viewers that the advertisers want. Runt like a business, maximum profits and cut costs. Technology makes that easier than ever.

All of the mass of data about voting citizens  came in really handy in the political sphere  And don't you think content creators who mastered producing targeted entertainment  were guaranteed to get into politics. Truth was not top of the list.

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, Slugnutty said:

When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?

 

Did you take a look at Sherapy avatar i will have a very hard time using "sir" as the pronoun here.

[the13bats]

9 hours ago, Sherapy said:

That is the statement they put out. But, facts are he slurs and rants and confabulates all the time and is uncontrollably combative. 

Yep, i had an expert in that area explain to me just what they saw when listening to donny , ty.

[the13bats]

3 hours ago, Slugnutty said:

Just saying. From way over here Bidens frailties were absolutely visible. But he still represented the better option. Now it’s simply no contest. 
I can’t understand how you can’t accept that on any level a convicted felon is an awful choice as a world leader. There is simply no credibility, and denying this is to deny the entire justice system, which is surely worse. 

A lot of folks do not get it about tRump, his bases has been shrinking badly since his 2020 loss and antics due to him being a poor loser.

I call his base magaT its like a kult mentally they really do see him as a sacrosanct messiah who is their only hope as you see from posts on here they blindly defend his every atrocity with veneer thin excuses and reasons many times resorting to whataboutisum, blaming orgers and out right making up stuff,

So if you look at them as a kult it becomes a bit clearer.

 

[Occupational Hubris]

The media doesn't have to do anything. Just roll tape. He just said the other day that more than 100% of jobs in the last year went to migrants. The diaper is full and the brain is empty. 

[qxcontinuum]

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