Indian and Nigerian nationals filled more jobs in Britain between 2019 and 2023 than UK nationals

[pellinore]

Take that, Remoaners! With Brexit, we have opened up the UK to the whole world! No more European cooperation for us, we prefer cooperation with the British Empire! We will soon be an outpost in the old Commonwealth.

Indian and Nigerian nationals filled more jobs in Britain between 2019 and 2023 than UK nationals, official figures have revealed.

Data from HMRC, released through a Freedom of Information request, showed the biggest growth in employments over the period was among Indian nationals (+487,900).

This compared to an increase of 278,700 employments among Nigerian nationals and an increase of 257,000 employments among UK nationals between December 2019 to December last year.

In total, there were 1.481million more employments over the period, with 1.465million more accounted for by people from outside the EU.

official figures show | Daily Mail Online

Edited August 12 by pellinore

[Grim Reaper 6]

24 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Take that, Remoaners! With Brexit, we have opened up the UK to the whole world! No more European cooperation for us, we prefer cooperation with the British Empire! We will soon be an outpost in the old Commonwealth.

Indian and Nigerian nationals filled more jobs in Britain between 2019 and 2023 than UK nationals, official figures have revealed.

Data from HMRC, released through a Freedom of Information request, showed the biggest growth in employments over the period was among Indian nationals (+487,900).

This compared to an increase of 278,700 employments among Nigerian nationals and an increase of 257,000 employments among UK nationals between December 2019 to December last year.

In total, there were 1.481million more employments over the period, with 1.465million more accounted for by people from outside the EU.

official figures show | Daily Mail Online

Why do you think this is the case?

[Destination Unknown]

2 hours ago, pellinore said:

Take that, Remoaners! With Brexit, we have opened up the UK to the whole world! No more European cooperation for us, we prefer cooperation with the British Empire! We will soon be an outpost in the old Commonwealth.

Indian and Nigerian nationals filled more jobs in Britain between 2019 and 2023 than UK nationals, official figures have revealed.

Data from HMRC, released through a Freedom of Information request, showed the biggest growth in employments over the period was among Indian nationals (+487,900).

This compared to an increase of 278,700 employments among Nigerian nationals and an increase of 257,000 employments among UK nationals between December 2019 to December last year.

In total, there were 1.481million more employments over the period, with 1.465million more accounted for by people from outside the EU.

official figures show | Daily Mail Online

So you think that UK jobs should just be restricted to people from the predominantly white European continent then, instead of being less discriminatory by making it fairer for everyone and giving those from the rest of the world the exact same equal opportunity, no matter where they are from, including those with a different skin colour to Caucasian Europeans?

Edited August 13 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

11 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

So you think that UK jobs should just be restricted to people from the predominantly white European continent then, instead of being less discriminatory by making it fairer for everyone and giving those from the rest of the world the exact same equal opportunity, no matter where they are from, including those with a different skin colour to Caucasian Europeans?

Yes, to a large extent. If we encouraged workers from Europe, we would have no need to send delegates to India or Nigeria to look for workers.

I'm a patriotic Brit and proud to be European. We share a rich history as it is after all, our continent: the Renaissance, the rococo, the Romantics, the impressionists, gothic, baroque, neoclassicism, realism, expressionism, futurism, fauvism, cubism, dada, surrealism, postmodernism and kitsch were all European movements and none of them belongs to a single nation. There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. Our shared European culture is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, and beautiful that ever developed, and it belongs to us.

The whole world is becoming protectionist, and we should also try to protect what is ours and not be "fair" to other countries, especially when they are in competition with us for trade. 

I'm proud of our culture and I want Christmas to be known as Christmas not the Winter Holiday and I want to be able to say I'm looking forward to a white Christmas without causing offence.

You have said you hate the EU so much you are prepared to be poorer so we can cut political ties with the rest of Europe. Presumably you are also prepared to have mosques in every town, and being woken to the Call to Prayer in the mornings just so you can end cooperation with other Europeans.

The demographics of Britain being changed forever, pointlessly.  I think you are in a minority in the UK (to be honest, I sometimes wonder if you are British, as you seem so keen to change our culture).

[Destination Unknown]

47 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Yes, to a large extent. If we encouraged workers from Europe, we would have no need to send delegates to India or Nigeria to look for workers.

I'm a patriotic Brit and proud to be European. We share a rich history as it is after all, our continent: the Renaissance, the rococo, the Romantics, the impressionists, gothic, baroque, neoclassicism, realism, expressionism, futurism, fauvism, cubism, dada, surrealism, postmodernism and kitsch were all European movements and none of them belongs to a single nation. There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. Our shared European culture is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, and beautiful that ever developed, and it belongs to us.

The whole world is becoming protectionist, and we should also try to protect what is ours and not be "fair" to other countries, especially when they are in competition with us for trade. 

I'm proud of our culture and I want Christmas to be known as Christmas not the Winter Holiday and I want to be able to say I'm looking forward to a white Christmas without causing offence.

You have said you hate the EU so much you are prepared to be poorer so we can cut political ties with the rest of Europe. Presumably you are also prepared to have mosques in every town, and being woken to the Call to Prayer in the mornings just so you can end cooperation with other Europeans.

The demographics of Britain being changed forever, pointlessly.  I think you are in a minority in the UK (to be honest, I sometimes wonder if you are British, as you seem so keen to change our culture).

Oh spare me all that patriotic Brit and proud European nonsense pellinore, you're a racist, and that's the end of it. And you actually have the stones to arrogantly brand Brexit voters as racists.

Plus, a patriotic Brit wouldn't be hell-bent on selling his own country out to a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to Brussels either, so not only are you a racist, you're an unpatriotic federalist who wants to see his own country become a mere region of Brussels.

Edited August 13 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

8 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Oh spare me all that patriotic Brit and proud European nonsense pellinore, you're a racist, and that's the end of it. And you actually have the stones to arrogantly brand Brexit voters as racists.

 

If it is a crime to be proud of and cherish one's own country and culture, if it is a crime to want to restrict immigration from other cultures to sustainable levels, and if it is a crime to want one's country to be prosperous and to be an equal partner on our own continent - then I am guilty as charged!

Edited August 13 by pellinore

[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

If it is a crime to be proud of and cherish one's own country and culture, if it is a crime to want to restrict immigration from other cultures to sustainable levels, and if it is a crime to want one's country to be prosperous and to be an equal partner on our own continent - then I am guilty as charged!

Except you're not proud of your own country and culture though are you pellinore, because you're hell-bent on selling it out to a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to Brussels, where we were never an equal partner on our own continent anyway, because we were one of only a handful paying in, whilst the majority simply took out. Glad you admit to being guilty of being an unpatriotic federalist racist.

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Except you're not proud of your own country and culture though are you pellinore, because you're hell-bent on selling it out to a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to Brussels, where we were never an equal partner on our own continent anyway, because we were one of only a handful paying in, whilst the majority simply took out. Glad you admit to being guilty of being an unpatriotic federalist racist.

The reason so many foreign nationals are being employed is because they meet the educational requirements. It’s simply cause and effect, so I don’t think people should complain unless they were also qualified and were passed over, but that is not the case, is it?

[Destination Unknown]

4 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

The reason so many foreign nationals are being employed is because they meet the educational requirements. It’s simply cause and effect, so I don’t think people should complain unless they were also qualified and were passed over, but that is not the case, is it?

Maybe you should ask pellinore, he's the one that's complaining, not me.

[pellinore]

12 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Except you're not proud of your own country and culture though are you pellinore, because you're hell-bent on selling it out to a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to Brussels, where we were never an equal partner on our own continent anyway, because we were one of only a handful paying in, whilst the majority simply took out. Glad you admit to being guilty of being an unpatriotic federalist racist.

'a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to Brussels, where we were never an equal partner on our own continent anyway'? That is obvious nonsense. We were a member for 47years and were able to leave easily- too easily, if fact. The UK was and always will be a sovereign country, as are all the countries in the EU.

And as for "paying in"- we benefited many, many times over what we paid in. The £9 billion annual fee is dwarfed by the £100 billion annual loss to the UK economy.

[Destination Unknown]

8 hours ago, pellinore said:

'a wannabe federal European Superstate where we would ultimately be answerable to Brussels, where we were never an equal partner on our own continent anyway'? That is obvious nonsense. We were a member for 47years and were able to leave easily- too easily, if fact.

We were not a member of the European Union for 47 years at all you liar, because the EU didn't even exist 47 years ago, and only came into existence when 'The Maastricht Treaty' came into force in 1993, so we were only EU members for around 27 years, so now who is spewing nonsense pellinore?

Here, from the EU's own website, quote: "The 'European Union' is officially created by the (Maastricht) treaty, which enters into force on 1 November 1993." (See link below).

https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/history-eu/1990-99_en#:~:text=7 February 1992 – Maastricht Treaty&text=It is a major mileston

Plus, in 2016 we had a democratic vote on whether we wanted to continue our membership of the EU, which was more than what we had when we were taken into the EU when John Major took it upon himself to sign 'The Maastricht Treaty' in 1992 without him even having the decency to ask the British people whether we even wanted to be a part of a European political union, and it took us the best part of 4 and a half years from June 2016 until December 2020 to actually fully Leave the EU, and that was after 2 General Elections and 3 Prime Ministers, with the 2017 - 2019 zombie Parliament doing everything they could to frustrate the UK's democratically mandated exit from the European Union at every single opportunity, so no pellinore, we were not able to Leave easily at all, unlike when we were taken into the EU by John Major when he railroaded Maastricht through Parliament when he threatened to call a General Election (which the Conservatives knew they would lose) if his MPs didn't vote in favour of it. (See link below).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Rebels

8 hours ago, pellinore said:

The UK was and always will be a sovereign country, as are all the countries in the EU.

Unelected EU Commission President disagrees:

"Our Treaties are very clear. All rulings by the European Court of Justice are binding on all Member States' authorities, including national courts. EU law has primacy over national law, including constitutional provisions." (See link below).

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_21_5163

So like I said pellinore, a nation that is a member of the European Union cannot be a sovereign nation, because they are ultimately answerable to Brussels, and that included the United Kingdom.

8 hours ago, pellinore said:

And as for "paying in"- we benefited many, many times over what we paid in. The £9 billion annual fee is dwarfed by the £100 billion annual loss to the UK economy.

I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of debunking that nonsense pellinore. So for the final time, where's the evidence that the UK has lost £100 billion annually because of Brexit?

Edited August 14 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, Destination Unknown said:

We were not a member of the European Union for 47 years at all you liar, because the EU didn't even exist 47 years ago, and only came into existence when 'The Maastricht Treaty' came into force in 1993, so we were only EU members for around 27 years, so now who is spewing nonsense pellinore?

I wish you would stop calling me a liar. It is very rude. 

It is a matter of record the UK joined the European Communities in Jan 1973 and has been an active member since then throughout its political and economic development. The UK left on Feb 1st, 2020. That's close to 50 years.

If your attack line is semantics, it just shows: 1. your lack of knowledge, 2. the weakness of your arguments, and 3. your propensity to attack the person not the facts, because that is the only thing you can attack.

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, Destination Unknown said:

I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of debunking that nonsense pellinore. So for the final time, where's the evidence that the UK has lost £100 billion annually because of Brexit?

It is facts. 4% hit to the economy, £40 billion lost to the exchequer, £100 Billion lost annually. Different sources use different calculations, but they all point to the same. Next post you make, outline the benefits of Brexit. Rees Mogg couldn't find any, even when he was paid for a year as Brexit Benefits Minister.  If you find just one, you might get a Noble Prize for economics!

Brexit is leaving a hole of almost £100bn in annual UK exports, making Britain’s economy worse off than if it had remained in the European Union, new analysis has claimed.

Businesses that make an array of products including sporting goods, children’s toys, jewellery and medical equipment have struggled the most with border costs imposed by the UK’s decision to leave the EU, leading to 30 per cent less trade between 2020 and 2023 than if Britain had stayed in the trading bloc.

Since leaving the single market, Britain’s export growth has been sluggish behind other advanced economies, leading to missed growth in goods and services exports of around £23bn quarterly, the analysis reveals.

The Brexit bill: £100bn hit to UK exports as toy, medical kit and jewellery sales slump | The Independent

Edited August 14 by pellinore

[Destination Unknown]

31 minutes ago, pellinore said:

It is facts. 4% hit to the economy, £40 billion lost to the exchequer, £100 Billion lost annually. Different sources use different calculations, but they all point to the same. Next post you make, outline the benefits of Brexit. Rees Mogg couldn't find any, even when he was paid for a year as Brexit Benefits Minister.  If you find just one, you might get a Noble Prize for economics!

Brexit is leaving a hole of almost £100bn in annual UK exports, making Britain’s economy worse off than if it had remained in the European Union, new analysis has claimed.

Businesses that make an array of products including sporting goods, children’s toys, jewellery and medical equipment have struggled the most with border costs imposed by the UK’s decision to leave the EU, leading to 30 per cent less trade between 2020 and 2023 than if Britain had stayed in the trading bloc.

Since leaving the single market, Britain’s export growth has been sluggish behind other advanced economies, leading to missed growth in goods and services exports of around £23bn quarterly, the analysis reveals.

The Brexit bill: £100bn hit to UK exports as toy, medical kit and jewellery sales slump | The Independent

It's not a fact at all pellinore. For a start, from the blatantly pro-EU 'The (Not So) Independent' article that you yourself linked, quote: "leading to 30 per cent less trade between 2020 and 2023 than if Britain had stayed in the trading bloc."

Care to remind us all what else happened around that time pellinore? 🤔

Let me give you a tiny bit of a clue: A global pandemic, that shut the whole planet down during that period, so how can anyone possibly claim that Brexit was responsible for that 30% less trade, when there was less trade across the entire planet anyway? 🤷

And there you go AGAIN with that 4% OBR nonsense. It seems you have a very short memory pellinore, because it was only a couple of week ago that I totally destroyed that 4% nonsense, and yet here you are yet AGAIN, spewing out that exact same lie.

That 4% hit to our economy nonsense by the OBR is a "prediction" on future GDP growth up until 2035, not how much GDP has been lost since Brexit happened.

If they could predict so accurately some 15 years into the future (2020 was when that 4% OBR "forecast" was made), then the 2008 Global Financial Crisis would have been accurately predicted back in 1993, so unless you have a portal to an alternative universe where Brexit never happened, there is no evidence to back up those claims.

For the final time pellinore, over the course of 50 years, France and the UK’s economy has had exactly the same rate of growth pre-Brexit, just as it has done post-Brexit, but now all of a sudden we're supposed to believe that our economy would be 4% better than France if Brexit hadn't happened.🤦

As you can see from the interactive graph in the link below, the UK's economy has exactly mirrored that of France, whether we were in the EU or not. (Source: IMF).

At no point prior to Brexit was the UK's economy 4% higher than the French economy, they both mirrored each other exactly, so go on pellinore, where is this alleged 4% drop in the UK's economy then, or, to put it another way, why isn't the French economy now at 6.15% (4% higher) than the UK’s 2.17% economy is right now? 🤔

Those figures are all just crystal ball predictions from a group with a reputation for getting it wrong, and it's ironic that you are falling for it whilst at the same time telling Leave voters they fell for Leave campaign lies, but seeing as you are obviously into hypotheticals that cannot possibly be answered one way or another with any degree of certainty, how much better would a post-Brexit UK's economy have been had Covid/Ukraine/energy crisis/global events etc. never happened? 🤔

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPSH@WEO/FRA/GBR

Edited August 14 by Destination Unknown

[Destination Unknown]

41 minutes ago, pellinore said:

I wish you would stop calling me a liar. It is very rude. 

It is a matter of record the UK joined the European Communities in Jan 1973 and has been an active member since then throughout its political and economic development. The UK left on Feb 1st, 2020. That's close to 50 years.

If your attack line is semantics, it just shows: 1. your lack of knowledge, 2. the weakness of your arguments, and 3. your propensity to attack the person not the facts, because that is the only thing you can attack.

That's because you ARE a liar pellinore, because it is a matter of record that the European Communites and the European Union are two entirely different entities altogether, and the latter didn't come into existence until 1993.

Edited August 14 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

6 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

It's not a fact at all pellinore. For a start, from the blatantly pro-EU 'The (Not So) Independent' article that you yourself linked, quote: "leading to 30 per cent less trade between 2020 and 2023 than if Britain had stayed in the trading bloc."

Care to remind us all what else happened around that time pellinore? 🤔

Let me give you a tiny bit of a clue: A global pandemic, that shut the whole planet down during that period, so how can anyone possibly claim that Brexit was responsible for that 30% less trade, when there was less trade across the entire planet anyway? 🤷

Yeah, yeah. Covid and the Ukraine War. Both affected the UK particularly severely for some reason, not because we were incompetent, but because we are British, and they picked on us. But plucky old Blighty beat them both.

And our best strategy for global problems is to stetch our supply chains around the world, instead of 20 miles away in our own continent, because that will wrong-foot the economists who think we will do the obvious sensible thing. 

You haven't heard of "doppelganger models" have you? That's how scientists predict outcomes with the ability to strip out extraneous events.

Anyway, you post the economic advantages of Brexit, no one else has heard of them. As I say, you'll get huge recognition if you find one.

 

[pellinore]

12 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

That's because you ARE a liar pellinore, because it is a matter of record that the European Communites and the European Union are two entirely different entities altogether, and the latter didn't come into existence until 1993.

Ah, now I understand. You are using the word 'liar' without actually understanding what the word means. That's actually a tragic indictment of the UK education system. Can't you see this?

Edited August 14 by pellinore

[Destination Unknown]

2 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Yeah, yeah. Covid and the Ukraine War. Both affected the UK particularly severely for some reason, not because we were incompetent, but because we are British, and they picked on us. But plucky old Blighty beat them both.

And our best strategy for global problems is to stetch our supply chains around the world, instead of 20 miles away in our own continent, because that will wrong-foot the economists who think we will do the obvious sensible thing. 

You haven't heard of "doppelganger models" have you? That's how scientists predict outcomes with the ability to strip out extraneous events.

Anyway, you post the economic advantages of Brexit, no one else has heard of them. As I say, you'll get huge recognition if you find one.

 

Yes I have heard of doppelganger models pellinore, and annoyingly for you, France is our exact doppelganger, with a similar sized population and a similar sized economy, so go on pellinore, show me exactly where this alleged 4% drop in the UK's economy is in the interactive graph in the link below then, or, to put it another way, why isn't the French economy now at 6.15% (4% higher) than the UK’s 2.17% economy is right now? 🤔

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPSH@WEO/FRA/GBR

[Destination Unknown]

7 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Ah, now I understand. You are using the word 'liar' without actually understanding what the word means. That's actually a tragic indictment of the UK education system. Can't you see this?

No pellinore, I know exactly what the word "liar" means, it means someone like you, who tells lies, and if you're claiming it's a tragic indictment of the UK's education system, then that's hardly a ringing endorsement of over 4 decades of pro-EEC/EU Government education policy then is it. 🤦

Edited August 14 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

6 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

No pellinore, I know exactly what the word "liar" means, it means someone like you, who tells lies, and if you're claiming it's a tragic indictment of the UK's education system, then that's hardly a ringing endorsement of the over 4 decades of pro-EEC/EU Government education policy then is it. 🤦

The UK has always been a sovereign country, and the EU had no influence over its education policy. You are an example of why that is probably a tragedy. And I don't mean that as a personal attack, if English children had received a more rounded education, we would have less reliance on immigrants, a more robust economy, and more pride in our country, and you would be less angry about Europe.

[Destination Unknown]

16 minutes ago, pellinore said:

The UK has always been a sovereign country, and the EU had no influence over its education policy. You are an example of why that is probably a tragedy. And I don't mean that as a personal attack, if English children had received a more rounded education, we would have less reliance on immigrants, a more robust economy, and more pride in our country, and you would be less angry about Europe.

Did you just deliberately ignore the fact that I've just told you we were not a sovereign country in the EU?

Even the unelected EU Commission President has gone on record as saying that, quote: "EU law has primacy over national law, including constitutional provisions." (See link below).

So pellinore, how on earth can we possibly be a sovereign nation if EU law has primacy over our own laws? Go on pellinore, you've obviously got all the answers, so square that circle.

Here's a thought pellinore: If English children had received a more rounded education, perhaps we would have even less reliance on the EU.!!

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_21_5163

Edited August 14 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

7 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Did you just deliberately ignore the fact that I've just told you we were not a sovereign country in the EU?

It's not a fact, it's just your misguided opinion.

We obviously were sovereign, or we couldn't have left, could we? We voluntarily agreed to laws and rules that were of mutual benefit. It obviously was mutual benefit otherwise our musicians, professionals and private citizens would still have the right to work and live in other member countries, and our economy would not have taken such a hit. (Even Brexiters agree that the only way Stramer can 'grow the economy' is to align more closely which is why they are upset).

What difference does it make if rules governing, say, health and safety originate in Brussels rather than Westminster, anyway? It takes the administrative burden away from the UK, now we have to duplicate regulations or go it alone (which is why we still don't control our borders with regard to trade or anything else).

You were sold a myth, and you have to cling on to it as it is all that is left you. You still haven't mentioned a single benefit of Brexit (- go on, name one). We would be better off rejoining the EU than joining the CPTPP which is proven to be detrimental to the UK trade-wise. Some sovereignty has to be surrendered in all international agreements- unless a country does not want to take part in international trade at all- surely you understand this? 

 

[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

It's not a fact, it's just your misguided opinion.

We obviously were sovereign, or we couldn't have left, could we? We voluntarily agreed to laws and rules that were of mutual benefit. It obviously was mutual benefit otherwise our musicians, professionals and private citizens would still have the right to work and live in other member countries, and our economy would not have taken such a hit. (Even Brexiters agree that the only way Stramer can 'grow the economy' is to align more closely which is why they are upset).

What difference does it make if rules governing, say, health and safety originate in Brussels rather than Westminster, anyway? It takes the administrative burden away from the UK, now we have to duplicate regulations or go it alone (which is why we still don't control our borders with regard to trade or anything else).

You were sold a myth, and you have to cling on to it as it is all that is left you. You still haven't mentioned a single benefit of Brexit (- go on, name one). We would be better off rejoining the EU than joining the CPTPP which is proven to be detrimental to the UK trade-wise. Some sovereignty has to be surrendered in all international agreements- unless a country does not want to take part in international trade at all- surely you understand this? 

 

For crying out loud pellinore, just because there is a mechanism built into the EU's Treaties that allows a country to Leave, that doesn't automatically mean that a country is sovereign whilst they are in the EU does it?

It just means we take our Sovereignty back AFTER we have left.

Now, once again, the unelected EU Commission President has even gone on record as saying that, quote: "EU law has primacy over national law, including constitutional provisions." (See link below).

So go on pellinore, how on earth can we possibly be a sovereign nation in the EU, if EU law has primacy over our own laws whilst we are a member?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_21_5163

Edited August 15 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

14 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

For crying out loud pellinore, just because there is a mechanism built into the EU's Treaties that allows a country to Leave, that doesn't automatically mean that a country is sovereign whilst they are in the EU does it?

It just means we take our Sovereignty back AFTER we have left.

Now, once again, the unelected EU Commission President has even gone on record as saying that, quote: "EU law has primacy over national law, including constitutional provisions." (See link below).

So go on pellinore, how on earth can we possibly be a sovereign nation in the EU, if EU law has primacy over our own laws whilst we are a member?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement_21_5163

Name one instance when your mythical sovereignty has benefitted you. It has made you poorer, and hindered travel in Europe. How has it made your life better to have left the EU? Go on, mention one benefit of being 'sovereign' that has made your life better or more enjoyable. You can't, can you, just as you can't name an 'EU law' that you found objectionable. Not that they ever were 'EU laws', they are laws agreed by us and that the UK parliament passed.

The only change is now we just have to follow them instead of being part of the implantation- rule takers, not rule makers. Crazy!