EU sends warning letter to Musk ahead of Trump interview

[Destination Unknown]

13 hours ago, pellinore said:

Pre-Musk Twitter carried out self-moderation and didn't promote conspiracy theories or incite civil war. Nothing to do with being left or right wing. It has only come under scrutiny now because it has started promoting harmful content.

Even the EU Commission is now trying to distance itself from Thierry Breton's letter to Elon Musk, accusing him of going rogue.

https://www.ft.com/content/09cf4713-7199-4e47-a373-ed5de61c2afa

[Saru]

8 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

So where was your faux outrage when those accounts were banned at a moments notice when it was Twitter then?

A dishonest, disingenuous question - I've expressed no "outrage" at all, faux or otherwise.

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Full marks for deliberately cropping part of what was originally a much larger comment and using the cropped bit to change the context of what I meant.

Not at all, since my personal thoughts on China and where I express them have nothing whatsoever to do with the argument you were making.

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how can you say for certain that any blocks that may be implemented by the EU will not impact what I can and can't watch in the future?

I can't, but you could say the same for the US, the UK or just about anywhere else.

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Even the EU Commission is now trying to distance itself from Thierry Breton's letter to Elon Musk

Does that not suggest that the letter was more of a rogue operation than something properly sanctioned and commissioned by the EU ?

In which case, it would seem to pour cold water on a lot of the concerns that have been raised here.

[Destination Unknown]

18 minutes ago, Saru said:

Not at all, since my personal thoughts on China and where I express them have nothing whatsoever to do with the argument you were making.

Let's clear this up once and for all.

I am NOT asking for your personal thoughts on China, as you well know. So I really do not know why you are deliberately twisting what I have said and putting a different spin on it.

Again, you know perfectly well the only reason I even mentioned Communist China is because I was equating what the EU is doing (ie, trying to shut down something they don't like), as being the exact same thing that Communist China does, to shut something down because they don't like it.

Now where in that statement have I even asked for your opinion on Communist China?

I haven't. I am stating that you quite clearly don't have a problem with the EU doing something more akin to what Communist China would do, and you know perfectly well that's what I was getting at.

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[Saru]

2 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Let's clear this up once and for all.

I am NOT asking for your personal thoughts on China, as you well know. So I really do not know why you are deliberately twisting what I have said and putting a different spin on it.

Again, you know perfectly well the only reason I even mentioned Communist China is because I was equating what the EU is doing (ie, trying to shut down something they don't like), as being the exact same thing that Communist China does, to shut something down because they don't like it.

Now where in that statement have I even asked for your opinion on Communist China?

I haven't. I am stating that you quite clearly don't have a problem with the EU doing something more akin to what Communist China would do.

You wrote:

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because that's the sort of thing Communist China gets up to, but I notice you don't seem to have a hate on for that.

What were you looking for with this comment, exactly ? A time, date and place where I had a "hate on" about China ? Even the implication that I have a "hate on" for anything, in the context of this discussion, is disingenuous - why make it personal at all ? Why make this comment ?

You did the exact same thing when you wrote:

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So where was your faux outrage when those accounts were banned at a moments notice when it was Twitter then?

If you don't want me to take you up on dishonest and inappropriate personal remarks, then don't make them.

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I am stating that you quite clearly don't have a problem with the EU doing something more akin to what Communist China would do.

And you would be lying through your teeth, since I have never expressed any such view.

[Destination Unknown]

18 minutes ago, Saru said:

You wrote:

What were you looking for with this comment, exactly ? A time, date and place where I had a "hate on" about China ? Even the implication that I have a "hate on" for anything, in the context of this discussion, is disingenuous - why make it personal at all ? Why make this comment ?

You did the exact same thing when you wrote:

If you don't want me to take you up on dishonest and inappropriate personal remarks, then don't make them.

And you would be lying through your teeth, since I have never expressed any such view.

Again you are cropping my comment in order to take it out of context. Please will you stop doing that.

In response to your point "No online community-driven social media platform offers true "free speech" I wrote, IN FULL, quote:

"I have never claimed that it does, but the EU's alternative of attacking free speech by trying to shut the debate down just because it has decided certain content is "harmful" in their opinion is the exact opposite of offering true "free speech", because that's the sort of thing Communist China gets up to, but I notice you don't seem to have a hate on for that." Quite clearly meaning that you obviously don't seem to have a hate on for the EU doing what Communist China would do.

Perhaps I should now rephrase that statement so that there is absolutely zero confusion.

"I have never claimed that it does, but the EU's alternative of attacking free speech by trying to shut the debate down just because it has decided certain content is "harmful" in their opinion is the exact opposite of offering true "free speech", because that's the sort of thing Communist China gets up to, but I notice you don't seem to have a hate on for the EU doing exactly what Communist China would do."

Does THAT clear things up for you?

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[Saru]

3 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Again you are cropping my comment in order to take it out of context. Please will you stop doing that.

In response to your point "No online community-driven social media platform offers true "free speech" I wrote, IN FULL, quote:

"I have never claimed that it does, but the EU's alternative of attacking free speech by trying to shut the debate down just because it has decided certain content is "harmful" in their opinion is the exact opposite of offering true "free speech", because that's the sort of thing Communist China gets up to, but I notice you don't seem to have a hate on for that." Quite clearly meaning that you obviously don't seem to have a hate on for the EU doing what Communist China would do.

Perhaps I should now rephrase that statement so that there is absolutely zero confusion.

"I have never claimed that it does, but the EU's alternative of attacking free speech by trying to shut the debate down just because it has decided certain content is "harmful" in their opinion is the exact opposite of offering true "free speech", because that's the sort of thing Communist China gets up to, but I notice you don't seem to have a hate on for the EU doing exactly what Communist China would do."

Does THAT clear things up for you?

You are so rude and condescending it's quite incredible.

You come across as harboring nothing but contempt for anyone whose views might not align with your own.

I'm done with this conversation.

[Destination Unknown]

2 minutes ago, Saru said:

You are so rude and condescending it's quite incredible.

You come across as harboring nothing but contempt for anyone whose views might not align with your own.

I'm done with this conversation.

Well what do you expect, when on several occasions you've deliberately gone out of your way to reinterpret something that I'd written as being something completely different, when you already knew perfectly well what I meant to begin with?

[Saru]

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on several occasions you've deliberately gone out of your way to reinterpret something that I'd written as being something completely different, when you already knew perfectly well what I meant to begin with?

I already clarified the point I was making with regard to the quote I was addressing.

I did not "on several occasions deliberately go out of my way to reinterpret something that you'd written as being something completely different".

This is simply not true.

48 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Well what do you expect

I expect you to conduct yourself in a civil and respectful manner.

What I don't expect is to be spoken to like something you just scraped off the bottom of your shoe.

[Destination Unknown]

16 hours ago, Saru said:

I already clarified the point I was making with regard to the quote I was addressing.

No you didn't. You deliberately decided to reinterpret the quote you were addressing and made your point about Communist China instead, not the point that I was actually getting at, the fact that you quite clearly don't seem to have a hate on for the EU doing something akin to what Communist China would do.

16 hours ago, Saru said:

I did not "on several occasions deliberately go out of my way to reinterpret something that you'd written as being something completely different".

This is simply not true.

So why did you deliberately go out of your way to reinterpret what I'd written as me claiming you don't seem to have a hate on for Communist China on several occasions then, when you knew perfectly well that wasn't what I was even getting at?

16 hours ago, Saru said:

I expect you to conduct yourself in a civil and respectful manner.

What I don't expect is to be spoken to like something you just scraped off the bottom of your shoe.

There you go again, deliberately cropping my comment, thus removing the context of its meaning.

If you don't expect to be spoken to like something I've just scraped off the bottom of my shoe, then don't deliberately go out of your way to crop something I've said in order to try and make it look like I meant something else, when you already knew perfectly well what I actually meant, that you quite clearly don't seem to have a hate on for the EU doing something akin to what Communist China would do.

[Saru]

@Destination Unknown - this is exactly the sort of conduct that got you banned the last time.

You can't have a normal conversation with anyone who disagrees with you, instead you try to bully them into submission and I'm not the only one you've done this to.

Now you are telling me that I should expect to be treated with rudeness and contempt because you don't like how I'm quoting your antagonistic remarks.

Enough is enough.

Closed.