Famous Stonehenge stone came from Scotland not Wales

[Waspie_Dwarf]

Famous Stonehenge stone came from Scotland not Wales

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The six-tonne Altar Stone at the heart of Stonehenge came from the far north of Scotland rather than south-west Wales as previously thought, new analysis has found.

The discovery shows the construction of Stonehenge was a far greater collaborative effort than scientists realised.

It also means that the ancient monument, near Salisbury in south-west England, was built with stones from all parts of Great Britain.

Read More: ➡️ BBC News

 

[Waspie_Dwarf]

A Scottish origin for Stonehenge’s enigmatic Altar Stone

 

[pellinore]

If we find it hard to believe Stonehenge is not a natural phenomenon and must have been designed by humans, why do so many people believe that something as complex as Mankind came about by chance and didn't need an Intelligent Designer?

[Waspie_Dwarf]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

If we find it hard to believe Stonehenge is not a natural phenomenon and must have been designed by humans, why do so many people believe that something as complex as Mankind came about by chance and didn't need an Intelligent Designer?

This is not the place for discussions about intelligent design. There is an entire forum for Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs where such a discussion would be on topic and wouldn't constitute thread hijacking.

[pellinore]

7 minutes ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

This is not the place for discussions about intelligent design. There is an entire forum for Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs where such a discussion would be on topic and wouldn't constitute thread hijacking.

Okay, please delete my post if it is inappropriate.

[Abramelin]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07652-1

[jethrofloyd]

I said it yesterday the Neolithic people moved around a lot more than we believe. It wouldn"t surprise me at all if a one "delegation ' from the British Isles went at that time to observe Göbekli Tepe.

[Piney]

5 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

I said it yesterday the Neolithic people moved around a lot more than we believe. It wouldn"t surprise me at all if a one "delegation ' from the British Isles went at that time to observe Göbekli Tepe.

Not happening.

The British Isles was big enough and the hunter-gatherer population was very small. On top of needing to gather.

Let me give you a population comparison. There was maybe 10 Clovis people in the entire state of Pennsylvania. 

[jethrofloyd]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

Not happening.

The British Isles was big enough and the hunter-gatherer population was very small. On top of needing to gather.

Let me give you a population comparison. There was maybe 10 Clovis people in the entire state of Pennsylvania. 

I watched an TV program a few years ago. I think it was on the Nat Geo. In Danmark the archeologists found a grave place of an woman. The grave seemed to be a quite old. But, nobody is knew the who the woman was. Since nobody knew who she was DNA testing were done. The results showed a woman was from the late Neolithic period. The DNA showed also she was born in the northern Italy or southern Germany. Everyone was in wonder, why she, and how she come to the northern Europe to the Danmark at the time.

But, the one thing was certain. People moved the long way from the home in the Neolithic times too.

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said:

I watched an TV program a few years ago. I think it was on the Nat Geo. In Danmark the archeologists found a grave place of an woman. The grave seemed to be a quite old. But, nobody is knew the who the woman was. Since nobody knew who she was DNA testing were done. The results showed a woman was from the late Neolithic period. The DNA showed also she was born in the northern Italy or southern Germany. Everyone was in wonder, why she, and how she come to the northern Europe to the Danmark at the time.

But, the one thing was certain. People moved the long way from the home in the Neolithic times too.

That data was contaminated with agricultural lime imported from Italy. It was later found out the Egtved Girl was actually local. 

Not thousands of miles to go look at a cult site they knew nothing about. That's.....no offense intended ridiculous. 

Hunter-gatherers stayed in the hundred mile range.

 

Edited August 15 by Piney
brain fart

[+Razman]

Well they must have had some kind of methods , as not just the long distance stone was moved , but they were able to move all the others around and into place as well. 

[BareDevil]

Why though? What was so important about that type of stone?

[Abramelin]

15 hours ago, Piney said:

Let me give you a population comparison. There was maybe 10 Clovis people in the entire state of Pennsylvania. 

This is from an earlier time:

 

 

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

This is from an earlier time:

 

 

Too high of a population to feasibly gather enough available resources. At the most 10 people per square mile but then they consume too much meat and you have trophic inefficiency dropping the population due to fat starvation. 

3 people per square mile would be a workable number that far North. 

[Abramelin]

On 8/15/2024 at 11:14 AM, Abramelin said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07652-1

Interesting connection:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ness_of_Brodgar

[Abramelin]

54 minutes ago, Piney said:

Too high of a population to feasibly gather enough available resources. At the most 10 people per square mile but then they consume too much meat and you have trophic inefficiency dropping the population due to fat starvation. 

3 people per square mile would be a workable number that far North. 

I didn't come up with that number of tens of thousands. Probably they knew what they were talking about.

The stone came from the area of

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ness_of_Brodgar

Google the images. The number of people necessary to build all these structures must have been considerably higher than your number.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

I didn't come up with that number of tens of thousands. Probably they knew what they were talking about.

The stone came from the area of

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ness_of_Brodgar

Google the images. The number of people necessary to build all these structures must have been considerably higher than your number.

These were built by Neolithic Farmers. Not hunter-gatherers. 

[Abramelin]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

These were built by Neolithic Farmers. Not hunter-gatherers. 

But thàt's where the stone came from.

[Abramelin]

And another thing: ever heard of Blick Mead, an area near Stonehenge?

The archaeologists working there consider it the 'first city'. And much, much older than Stonehenge, and probably the first builders of it.

Edited to add links:

https://www.sciencealert.com/new-find-near-stonehenge-could-rewrite-british-history

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2019/11/02/britains-first-city-discovered-archaeologists-say-home-people/

Edited August 16 by Abramelin

[Mark_C]

On 8/15/2024 at 11:59 PM, Razman said:

Well they must have had some kind of methods , as not just the long distance stone was moved , but they were able to move all the others around and into place as well. 

They might have cut the stones into a shape that's easier to move around like an imperfect cylinder, then finished of shaping them when they were in place.

[qxcontinuum]

Regardless of migration of tribes which was clearly evident since we have it on DNA, the struggle to explain how that massive rock was carried by ancients, remains valid requiring alternative explanations: forgotten technologies, giants, aliens, etc...

Edited August 18 by qxcontinuum

[Abramelin]

3 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

Regardless of migration of tribes which was clearly evident since we have it on DNA, the struggle to explain how that massive rock was carried by ancients, remains valid requiring alternative explanations: forgotten technologies, giants, aliens, etc...

A wooden raft, even a boat would solve the trick.of transporting that stone.

[Essan]

25 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

A wooden raft, even a boat would solve the trick.of transporting that stone.

We sometimes forget how sophisticated the Orcadians were back then.  They weren't simple hunter-gathers living in makeshift tents.

https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20151210-were-these-remote-wild-islands-the-centre-of-everything

And they must have had decent boats to travel around the islands and visit the mainland.

We also know that livestock from Scotland was consumed at Stonehenge

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/19/stonehenge-builders-feasted-animals-scotland-feast-exhibition

[pellinore]

On 8/15/2024 at 10:54 PM, Piney said:

That data was contaminated with agricultural lime imported from Italy. It was later found out the Egtved Girl was actually local. 

Not thousands of miles to go look at a cult site they knew nothing about. That's.....no offense intended ridiculous. 

Hunter-gatherers stayed in the hundred mile range.

 

This isn't directly related to your post, but I think it is ridiculous to believe a stone was moved from Scotland to Stonehenge by neolithic people. I live near Stonehenge, and on the one occasion I drove to Scotland it took me the best part of a day to get there.

Why on Earth would people who lived on the S Coast of England go 800 miles to pick up a stone weighing goodness-knows-what and cart it down? (Same with the Bluestones from Wales, though that is slightly more believable).

We are asked to believe people who were at least a thousand years from melting metals to understand the geography of the land they lived on, and to be able to transport objects weighing hundreds of times their own weight.

The only way they would be able to do this would be by the assistance of alien technology.

 

 

[Piney]

9 minutes ago, pellinore said:

The only way they would be able to do this would be by the assistance of alien technology.

Your smarter than this. 

I think there was a mistake in the EDXRF tests. The whole volcanic West Coast of the UK was created about the same time when Pangea split.