ems_lemon_tart Posted August 21 #1 Share Posted August 21 It resembled a Hawk, only the one I had seen had some patterns on its wings. I would guess the bird was 8 feet in length. And the wings 10 or 12 feet. It was not an Eagle or Condor. This was in New Mexico when I was visiting friends. It was 2013. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 21 #2 Share Posted August 21 15 minutes ago, ems_lemon_tart said: It resembled a Hawk, only the one I had seen had some patterns on its wings. I would guess the bird was 8 feet in length. And the wings 10 or 12 feet. It was not an Eagle or Condor. This was in New Mexico when I was visiting friends. It was 2013. It’s a very interesting story, what reference did you use to measure the approximate length and wing span of the bird? Anyway, welcome to the forum! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 21 #3 Share Posted August 21 25 minutes ago, ems_lemon_tart said: It resembled a Hawk, only the one I had seen had some patterns on its wings. I would guess the bird was 8 feet in length. And the wings 10 or 12 feet. It was not an Eagle or Condor. This was in New Mexico when I was visiting friends. It was 2013. The problem with alleged big bird sightings is humans simply are not great at gauging size of distance objects, like grim asked what did you use for scale? 8 feet tall is bigger than most giant bird stories. Of all the large bird sightings to date all we have are stories no physical evidence at all one of the most famous was Marlon rowe claimed as a child a giant bird tried to carry him away, he claimed two friends saw it but they neverstepped up only his mom who went a bit looney over the alleged incident. In his case i believe perhaps a large bird scared him knocked him down but no bird could pick up a young boy, 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 21 #4 Share Posted August 21 14 minutes ago, the13bats said: The problem with alleged big bird sightings is humans simply are not great at gauging size of distance objects, like grim asked what did you use for scale? 8 feet tall is bigger than most giant bird stories. Of all the large bird sightings to date all we have are stories no physical evidence at all one of the most famous was Marlon rowe claimed as a child a giant bird tried to carry him away, he claimed two friends saw it but they neverstepped up only his mom who went a bit looney over the alleged incident. In his case i believe perhaps a large bird scared him knocked him down but no bird could pick up a young boy, I certainly agree with Bats 🦇 no living bird can pick up a young child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted August 22 #5 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, ems_lemon_tart said: It resembled a Hawk, only the one I had seen had some patterns on its wings. I would guess the bird was 8 feet in length. And the wings 10 or 12 feet. It was not an Eagle or Condor. This was in New Mexico when I was visiting friends. It was 2013. Well, there are only two kinds of eagles in New Mexico. The Golden Eagle and the Bald Eagle. You saw a big bird...it was one or the other. Most likely a Golden. They can have wing spans of about 8 feet. The only birds on Earth with wingspans of 12 feet would be an Albatross...and you didn't see one in New Mexico. Memory is a funny thing. How old were you in 2013? Golden Eagles are incredibly fast and agile, which makes them expert hunters. Where Bald Eagles mostly eat fish, these eagles almost always eat mammals. Their favorite prey includes rabbits, hares, ground squirrels, marmots, and prairie dogs. But these raptors have been known to hunt and kill animals as large as small deer, seals, mountain goats, coyotes, and badgers! They have even been known to snatch a bear cub for dinner. Edited August 22 by joc 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted August 22 #6 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: I certainly agree with Bats 🦇 no living bird can pick up a young child. Goldens in New Mexico could. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 22 #7 Share Posted August 22 6 minutes ago, joc said: Goldens in New Mexico could. I must disagree with you. Bird Myths: Eagles Can Carry Off Small Children: https://backyardchirper.com/blog/bird-myths-eagles-can-carry-off-small-children/# 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted August 22 #8 Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: I must disagree with you. Bird Myths: Eagles Can Carry Off Small Children: https://backyardchirper.com/blog/bird-myths-eagles-can-carry-off-small-children/# I must agree with you! Golden eagles can carry up to 8 pounds during flight. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 22 #9 Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, joc said: Goldens in New Mexico could. No, they cannot. If you have documentation to prove it post it, and ill stand corrected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted August 22 #10 Share Posted August 22 14 minutes ago, the13bats said: No, they cannot. If you have documentation to prove it post it, and ill stand corrected. You are correct...they cannot carry more than eight pounds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 22 #11 Share Posted August 22 14 minutes ago, joc said: You are correct...they cannot carry more than eight pounds. I dont know the math, and maybe one could carry 10 pounds, and all creatures have random large specimens. i guess the rub for me is the Marlon Lowe tale he was like 10 yo and way too heavy, his mom hired hunters to go out and kill the bird, he was on monster quest saying it happened while bird experts explained why it didnt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 22 #12 Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, joc said: I must agree with you! Golden eagles can carry up to 8 pounds during flight. Thats a lot of weight, so maybe a Golden Eagles could grab a new born, but at 1 year old is already approximately 15 - 20 lbs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 22 #13 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: Thats a lot of weight, so maybe a Golden Eagles could grab a new born, but at 1 year old is already approximately 15 - 20 lbs. Its not really how they hunt, they take pieces of the kill back to the nest, Like that marlon lowe case he described it like a huge buzzard or condor with neck ring problem there is only raptors have grapsing talons, condors cant pick up anything, feet like chickens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 22 #14 Share Posted August 22 4 minutes ago, the13bats said: Its not really how they hunt, they take pieces of the kill back to the nest, Like that marlon lowe case he described it like a huge buzzard or condor with neck ring problem there is only raptors have grapsing talons, condors cant pick up anything, feet like chickens. I agree with you Bats 🦇. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted August 28 #15 Share Posted August 28 (edited) On 8/22/2024 at 3:02 AM, Grim Reaper 6 said: I must disagree with you. Bird Myths: Eagles Can Carry Off Small Children: https://backyardchirper.com/blog/bird-myths-eagles-can-carry-off-small-children/# They hunt wolves in Mongolia using golden eagles. In Africa they found skulls of children in the nests of martial eagles. The now extinct Haast's Eagle in NewZealand hunted on moa. Maori feared them because children and small adults could be caught in their claws and dragged off. Edited August 28 by Abramelin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 28 #16 Share Posted August 28 7 hours ago, Abramelin said: They hunt wolves in Mongolia using golden eagles. In Africa they found skulls of children in the nests of martial eagles. The now extinct Haast's Eagle in NewZealand hunted on moa. Maori feared them because children and small adults could be caught in their claws and dragged off. I am still not a believer that any living bird has the strength to pick up a human, except for an unattended new born baby. The maximum weight the largest living bird can pick up and carry is approximately 21 lb.. JIMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted August 29 #17 Share Posted August 29 4 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: I am still not a believer that any living bird has the strength to pick up a human, except for an unattended new born baby. The maximum weight the largest living bird can pick up and carry is approximately 21 lb.. JIMHO African crowned eagle Link: Found in parts of tropical Africa, this eagle has a staple diet consisting of monkeys and other mid-sized mammals like the Cape hyrax and small antelopes, as well as dogs, lambs, and goats. It’s kind of unnerving to learn that this bird often preys on animals weighing in the 65-pound range, which may explain why Africans call it “the leopard of the air.” Evidence exists that the African crowned eagle caused the death of an early human child whose remains were discovered in a cave at Taung, South Africa, in 1924. A study reported in National Geographic notes that these eagles have been known to occasionally attack or eat human children. "There's one report from South Africa of a small child's skull being found in a nest," said evolutionary biologist Susanne Schultz of the University of Liverpool in England. So, of all the big birds this one may be the one to fear ... but still, chances are your baby sitting in a park is safe from random birds of prey. Sadly, most of these birds are endangered and need our respect and protection, not fear. That said, note to video hoaxers: Next time use a "leopard of the air" if you really want to shake us. Link: The crowned eagle is perhaps the only extant raptorial bird which has been believed to attack human children as prey, outside of few exceptional circumstances in the case of the Wedge-tailed eagle and the Martial eagle. [87][98][99] In one case, a 7-year-old boy, of a weight of approximately 20 kg (44 lb), was ambushed by a crowned eagle, who gouged its talons through the boy's throat and chest. The attack was ended by a woman who came upon them and rescued the child by bludgeoning the eagle to death with a hoe.[41] In another case, the skull of a human child was found in the nest of a crowned eagle pair.[41] In yet another instance, when assisting in the investigation of the disappearance of a four-year-old girl, Simon Thomsett came to believe she was the victim of a crowned eagle after the severed arm of a child was found in a tall tree that was inaccessible to leopards and known to be used as a crowned eagle cache.[16] 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 29 #18 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, joc said: African crowned eagle Link: Found in parts of tropical Africa, this eagle has a staple diet consisting of monkeys and other mid-sized mammals like the Cape hyrax and small antelopes, as well as dogs, lambs, and goats. It’s kind of unnerving to learn that this bird often preys on animals weighing in the 65-pound range, which may explain why Africans call it “the leopard of the air.” Evidence exists that the African crowned eagle caused the death of an early human child whose remains were discovered in a cave at Taung, South Africa, in 1924. A study reported in National Geographic notes that these eagles have been known to occasionally attack or eat human children. "There's one report from South Africa of a small child's skull being found in a nest," said evolutionary biologist Susanne Schultz of the University of Liverpool in England. So, of all the big birds this one may be the one to fear ... but still, chances are your baby sitting in a park is safe from random birds of prey. Sadly, most of these birds are endangered and need our respect and protection, not fear. That said, note to video hoaxers: Next time use a "leopard of the air" if you really want to shake us. Link: The crowned eagle is perhaps the only extant raptorial bird which has been believed to attack human children as prey, outside of few exceptional circumstances in the case of the Wedge-tailed eagle and the Martial eagle. [87][98][99] In one case, a 7-year-old boy, of a weight of approximately 20 kg (44 lb), was ambushed by a crowned eagle, who gouged its talons through the boy's throat and chest. The attack was ended by a woman who came upon them and rescued the child by bludgeoning the eagle to death with a hoe.[41] In another case, the skull of a human child was found in the nest of a crowned eagle pair.[41] In yet another instance, when assisting in the investigation of the disappearance of a four-year-old girl, Simon Thomsett came to believe she was the victim of a crowned eagle after the severed arm of a child was found in a tall tree that was inaccessible to leopards and known to be used as a crowned eagle cache.[16] Thanks for the information, but no where does it say the Crowned Eagle PICKED UP a child and flew away. No living bird can pick up a small child, but would they try, I don’t know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 29 #19 Share Posted August 29 3 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: Thanks for the information, but no where does it say the Crowned Eagle PICKED UP a child and flew away. No living bird can pick up a small child, but would they try, I don’t know. Raptors really do not carry a creature back to the nest, we might see a bird carry a fish but not anything large when i read what joc posted it confirms that these birds might attack even kill a larger creature but they dont carry the 65 lbs to the nest after the prey is killed or incapacitated then they might tear off an arm or head take that back to the nest, I had a squirrel monkey pet and it was 2 pounds tops so sure it could have been taken to the nest but not alive, i broke up a fight between that monkey and my grandmothers chihuahua, and i got the worse of that fight. Another time i was attacked by a turkey buzzard, they were eating road i wanted the skull for a hard band, i thought the bird was bluffing, it wasnt, it won, but a buzzard isnt a raptor didnt feet like a chicken it cant carry anything. Maybe if my brain will give me a window of less mud ill try to do math on how big a raptor would have to be to actually pick up and carry 75 pounds dead weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 29 #20 Share Posted August 29 21 minutes ago, the13bats said: Raptors really do not carry a creature back to the nest, we might see a bird carry a fish but not anything large when i read what joc posted it confirms that these birds might attack even kill a larger creature but they dont carry the 65 lbs to the nest after the prey is killed or incapacitated then they might tear off an arm or head take that back to the nest, I had a squirrel monkey pet and it was 2 pounds tops so sure it could have been taken to the nest but not alive, i broke up a fight between that monkey and my grandmothers chihuahua, and i got the worse of that fight. Another time i was attacked by a turkey buzzard, they were eating road i wanted the skull for a hard band, i thought the bird was bluffing, it wasnt, it won, but a buzzard isnt a raptor didnt feet like a chicken it cant carry anything. Maybe if my brain will give me a window of less mud ill try to do math on how big a raptor would have to be to actually pick up and carry 75 pounds dead weight. I don’t dispute any of that, the only thing I dispute is that Raptors can pick up a human, except for a new born baby. After, doing a little research it pretty obvious the maximum any living bird can pick up and carry is approximately 20 lbs plus or minus. I also got attached by a bird once, I walked to close to a tree and a female Robin attacked from behind and took a small chunk of flesh from my head! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted August 29 #21 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: I don’t dispute any of that, the only thing I dispute is that Raptors can pick up a human, except for a new born baby. After, doing a little research it pretty obvious the maximum any living bird can pick up and carry is approximately 20 lbs plus or minus. I also got attached by a bird once, I walked to close to a tree and a female Robin attacked from behind and took a small chunk of flesh from my head! I don't think there is even one case of a modern day "bird" picking up a human and carrying it off, not even a baby, Ive seen mocking bird holes on the back of a cat i had back in orlando who insisted on living outside, And just because lets say a huge raptor can pick up 20 lbs doesnt mean they do, my interest in this is party due to marlon lowes claims a raptor he described as a condor a non raptor picked him up carried him then dropped him, I think its a case where memory was reinvented and make believe took over, i believe at most he saw a big bird that perhaps swooped by him and scared him, I assure you that turkey buzzard scared me, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 29 #22 Share Posted August 29 31 minutes ago, the13bats said: I don't think there is even one case of a modern day "bird" picking up a human and carrying it off, not even a baby, Ive seen mocking bird holes on the back of a cat i had back in orlando who insisted on living outside, And just because lets say a huge raptor can pick up 20 lbs doesnt mean they do, my interest in this is party due to marlon lowes claims a raptor he described as a condor a non raptor picked him up carried him then dropped him, I think its a case where memory was reinvented and make believe took over, i believe at most he saw a big bird that perhaps swooped by him and scared him, I assure you that turkey buzzard scared me, I agree with you Bats, I also think he reinvented the memory nothing else makes sense. By the way, let those dam buzzards eat in peace and you won’t have any problems! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted August 29 #23 Share Posted August 29 6 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: Thanks for the information, but no where does it say the Crowned Eagle PICKED UP a child and flew away. No living bird can pick up a small child, but would they try, I don’t know. Like I said: in Africa skulls of children have been found in the nests of either martial eagles or crowned eagles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 29 #24 Share Posted August 29 31 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Like I said: in Africa skulls of children have been found in the nests of either martial eagles or crowned eagles. I don’t doubt that at all, I just believe the skulls were dis articulated on the ground and the bird then took the head back to the nest. I just don’t believe the bird picked up an entire child, because no living bird can pick up more than approximately 20 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted August 29 #25 Share Posted August 29 39 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: I don’t doubt that at all, I just believe the skulls were dis articulated on the ground and the bird then took the head back to the nest. I just don’t believe the bird picked up an entire child, because no living bird can pick up more than approximately 20 lbs. I think the only convincing thing would be a video of an eagle picking up a toddler. In the meantime: https://lithub.com/this-eagle-would-eat-your-toddler-if-it-had-the-chance/ And I have seen a harpy eagle in the jungle near Iquitos, Peru, grabbing a mature howler monkey from a tree. After that I have no doubts they could take a toddler if it wanted to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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