Is there finally proof of alien implants in human bodies?

[MrAnderson]

15 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Didnt they already do this, and the result was far from exciting?

Not as far as I know. Are these abductions part of some criminal investigation? If they have happened then there must be criminal investigations.  That leaves us with two scenarios if they are true. Either humans have abducted them and experimented on them or the entities the witnesses described.

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[Hazzard]

9 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

Not as far as I know. Are these abductions part of some criminal investigation? If they have happened then there must be criminal investigations.  That leaves us with two scenarios if they are true. Either humans have abducted them and experimented on them or the entities the witnesses described.

No one abducted them... its all in their mind. 

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[MrAnderson]

14 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

No one abducted them... its all in their mind. 

That's your own opinion only. You seem to be very certain about this when you don't really know what happened. Don't you see the problem with it?

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[Hazzard]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

That's your own opinion only.

Sure, but it makes a hell of a lot more sence than what you are suggesting. 

There is nothing about the "Implants" that points to foul play.

Its just random stuff that is sometimes found under the skin.

 

[+joc]

On 8/24/2024 at 9:45 AM, papageorge1 said:

Papameter Reading

97% Alien Implants Exist      3% No Alien Implants exist

 

The science behind this is there (Dr. Leir for example). Another case where knee-jerk reactions keep the hard skeptic from considering rationally. Again, this quickly becomes more about psychological resistance than reason.

P.S. I think there is even an implant in one of the Nazca Mummies

 

With Zero evidence that aliens even exist...anywhere...the Papameter demonstrates accurately the phraseology that Belief is irrelevant with regards to the truth! 

The truth is that we have yet to even find life forms other than on Earth.  There is no science for determining the existence of aliens or alien implants.  It isn't about psychologicl resistance...it is about psychological laziness.  Reason dictates that the truth prevails over belief every single time. 

[MrAnderson]

29 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Sure, but it makes a hell of a lot more sence than what you are suggesting. 

There is nothing about the "Implants" that points to foul play.

Its just random stuff that is sometimes found under the skin.

 

I didn't suggest anything. I just entertained the possibilities. All I said is that if they have been abducted (which is a serious crime) then there are only two cases. Either they have been abducted by humans who also experimented on them or they have been abducted by the creatures they have described in their testimonies.

You said they haven't been abducted but they were hallucinating somehow.

[Hazzard]

2 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

I didn't suggest anything. I just entertained the possibilities.  Either they have been abducted by humans who also experimented on them or they have been abducted by the creatures they have described in their testimonies.

You said they haven't been abducted but they were hallucinating somehow.

Yes I did...

There is a third, and more likely explanation called Sleep paralysis. 

 

In the first study, we assessed 10 individuals who reported abduction by space aliens and whose claims were linked to apparent episodes of sleep paralysis during which hypnopompic hallucinations were interpreted as alien beings.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1363461505050715?download=true&journalCode=tpse

 

In their conclusions, the researchers note that people who believe they have been abducted by aliens may have problems with source monitoring — remembering how and when a memory is acquired. For example, someone may watch a movie featuring alien abduction, or even just otherworldly creatures, and years later when assessing an episode of sleep paralysis, recall that monster and incorrectly incorporate it into their supposed abduction experience. 

So, while stories of alien abduction may not be the sign of extraterrestrial life some may hope for, at least they can provide a neat example of the power of false memory formation.

https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/what-leads-people-believe-they-have-been-abducted-aliens

 

 

Victims wake up and find themselves paralyzed, unable to move or cry out for help. Aliens with wrap-around eyes, gray or green skin, lacking hair or noses, approach. The abductee’s heart pounds violently.  Instruments are inserted in their noses, navels, or other orifices. Then they are back in their own beds and can move again.

Researcher Susan Clancy, Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard, and other researchers tie such horrifying happenings to sleep paralysis, a condition where the usual separation between sleep and wakefulness gets out of synchronization.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2005/09/alien-abduction-claims-explained/

 

 

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[Resume]

1 minute ago, Hazzard said:

Yes I did...

There is a third, and more likely explanation called Sleep paralysis. 

 

In the first study, we assessed 10 individuals who reported abduction by space aliens and whose claims were linked to apparent episodes of sleep paralysis during which hypnopompic hallucinations were interpreted as alien beings.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1363461505050715?download=true&journalCode=tpse

 

In their conclusions, the researchers note that people who believe they have been abducted by aliens may have problems with source monitoring — remembering how and when a memory is acquired. For example, someone may watch a movie featuring alien abduction, or even just otherworldly creatures, and years later when assessing an episode of sleep paralysis, recall that monster and incorrectly incorporate it into their supposed abduction experience. 

So, while stories of alien abduction may not be the sign of extraterrestrial life some may hope for, at least they can provide a neat example of the power of false memory formation.

https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/what-leads-people-believe-they-have-been-abducted-aliens

 

 

Victims wake up and find themselves paralyzed, unable to move or cry out for help. Aliens with wrap-around eyes, gray or green skin, lacking hair or noses, approach. The abductee’s heart pounds violently.  Instruments are inserted in their noses, navels, or other orifices. Then they are back in their own beds and can move again.

Researcher Susan Clancy, Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard, and other researchers tie such horrifying happenings to sleep paralysis, a condition where the usual separation between sleep and wakefulness gets out of synchronization.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2005/09/alien-abduction-claims-explained/

 

 

Hypnopompic/hynagogic hallucinations as well.

[Hazzard]

35 minutes ago, Resume said:

Hypnopompic/hynagogic hallucinations as well.

Absolutely. Sleep related hallucinations.

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[papageorge1]

You start with.......

4 hours ago, joc said:

With Zero evidence that aliens even exist...

While I would start with........

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With abundant evidence suggesting aliens exist........

And we diverge from there.

Suggestive evidence includes claims of UFOs, abductions, sightings, government collection of technology and bodies, implants with non-earthly isotopes, and etcetera.

[Hazzard]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Suggestive evidence includes claims of UFOs, abductions, sightings, government collection of technology and bodies, implants with non-earthly isotopes, and etcetera.

Key word here is - Claims.

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[Hazzard]

3 hours ago, Green Devil said:

*removed spam*

You could at least tell us your personal view on the matter, or something...  instead of just throwing in 3 videos with not as much as a comment!

[papageorge1]

8 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Key word here is - Claims.

A quantity, quality and consistency of claims can have me believing something is highly likely.

[Hazzard]

6 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

A quantity, quality and consistency of claims can have me believing something is highly likely.

Can you tell me one paranormal claim that you DONT believe in?

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[Resume]

1 hour ago, Hazzard said:

Can you tell me one paranormal claim that you DONT believe in?

I'd love for him to demonstrate exactly what metric he employs to objectively evaluate an anecdote.

[MrAnderson]

8 hours ago, Resume said:

Hypnopompic/hynagogic hallucinations as well.

There is no evidence these people were hallucinating or where under what it's called sleep paralysis. These are convenient suggestions and not proof of anything other than attempts to explain them.

@Hazzard

[MrAnderson]

8 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Yes I did...

There is a third, and more likely explanation called Sleep paralysis. 

 

In the first study, we assessed 10 individuals who reported abduction by space aliens and whose claims were linked to apparent episodes of sleep paralysis during which hypnopompic hallucinations were interpreted as alien beings.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1363461505050715?download=true&journalCode=tpse

 

In their conclusions, the researchers note that people who believe they have been abducted by aliens may have problems with source monitoring — remembering how and when a memory is acquired. For example, someone may watch a movie featuring alien abduction, or even just otherworldly creatures, and years later when assessing an episode of sleep paralysis, recall that monster and incorrectly incorporate it into their supposed abduction experience. 

So, while stories of alien abduction may not be the sign of extraterrestrial life some may hope for, at least they can provide a neat example of the power of false memory formation.

https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/what-leads-people-believe-they-have-been-abducted-aliens

 

 

Victims wake up and find themselves paralyzed, unable to move or cry out for help. Aliens with wrap-around eyes, gray or green skin, lacking hair or noses, approach. The abductee’s heart pounds violently.  Instruments are inserted in their noses, navels, or other orifices. Then they are back in their own beds and can move again.

Researcher Susan Clancy, Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard, and other researchers tie such horrifying happenings to sleep paralysis, a condition where the usual separation between sleep and wakefulness gets out of synchronization.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2005/09/alien-abduction-claims-explained/

 

 

There is no proof for this and only suggestions exist that it could be sleep paralysis and the rest of these explanations. Let me remind you that John Mack had a very different idea about these encounters and he was a top researcher in his field. Sleep paralysis has been suggested sometime ago but it remains a suggestion.

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[Antigonos]

4 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

A quantity, quality and consistency of claims can have me believing something is highly likely.

 

[Hazzard]

5 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

 Let me remind you that John Mack had a very different idea about these encounters and he was top in his field. 

 

He might have been good at his dayjob, but literally everyone agrees that John Mack sh!t his pants on this one.

Just because you dont agree with the entire scientific community on this doesnt make them all wrong.

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[MrAnderson]

1 minute ago, Hazzard said:

 

He might have been good at his dayjob, but literally everyone agrees that John Mack sh!t his pants on this one.

Just because you dont agree with the entire scientific community on this doesnt make them all wrong.

The entire scientific community hasn't said anything as far as I know in the subject of alleged alien abductions. There are speculations and suggestions by some psychologists and psychiatrists but nothing more than that.

[Hazzard]

11 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

There is no evidence these people were hallucinating or where under what it's called sleep paralysis. These are convenient suggestions and not proof of anything other than attempts to explain them.

@Hazzard

Click the links I posted for you, and read them... I promise you, they are from more credible sources than Spambirds UFO Hunters and Ancient Aliens.😄

Ever heard of Harvard?

[Hazzard]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

The entire scientific community hasn't said anything as far as I know in the subject of alleged alien abductions. 

They all agree on one thing though. John Mack made a big do-do that time.