Is there finally proof of alien implants in human bodies?

[MrAnderson]

Just now, Hazzard said:

Click the links I posted for you, and read them... I promise you, they are from more credible sources than Spambirds UFO Hunters and Ancient Aliens.😄

Ever heard of Harvard?

Yes I know Harvard very well. Is it the place where John Mack was the Head of the Psychiatry Department?!

[Hazzard]

Just now, MrAnderson said:

Yes I know Harvard very well. Is it the place where John Mack was the Head of the Psychiatry Department?!

WTF!!??   Read the links I posted  for you Numbscull.

[MrAnderson]

1 minute ago, Hazzard said:

They all agree on one thing though. John Mack made a big do-do that time.

 

There is nothing much on alleged alien abductions. Most researchers will not touch this subject and we all know why. They will only make some speculations and suggestions. That's all.

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[Hazzard]

Just now, MrAnderson said:

There is nothing much on alleged skorj abductions. Most researchers will not touch this subject and we all know why.

Are you drunk?

[MrAnderson]

4 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Are you drunk?

No I don't drink. The links you have posted describe some of the research by a few psychologists but it is highly speculative and it comes down to personal opinions.

John Mack said that the people who examined had no health issues, appear to be telling the truth, and they had no sign of psychiatric or mental disorders.

Edited August 31 by MrAnderson

[Resume]

28 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

There is no evidence these people were hallucinating or where under what it's called sleep paralysis. These are convenient suggestions and not proof of anything other than attempts to explain them.

@Hazzard

Nope. They are demonstrated, observable phenomena.  Alienz, alienz abduction, alienz implants, not at all.

[Hazzard]

26 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

No I don't drink. The links you have posted describe some of the research by a few psychologists but it is highly speculative and it comes down to personal opinions.

John Mack said that the people who examined had no health issues, appear to be telling the truth, and they had no sign of psychiatric or mental disorders.

This reeks of bias? 😆 

Dismissing a very real disorder known and agreed upon by most people in the field vs ALiEnZ something you fantasise about and wish to be true.

Thanks for the laugh, dude.

 

[Resume]

14 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

This reeks of bias? 😆 

Dismissing a very real disorder known and agreed upon by most people in the field vs ALiEnZ something you fantasise about and wish to be true.

Thanks for the laugh, dude.

 

To be rational and reasonable, candidate explanations for phenomena necessarily need to be demonstrable. Otherwise, they are just speculation, or as in this case, fabulism.

[MrAnderson]

6 hours ago, Resume said:

Nope. They are demonstrated, observable phenomena.  Alienz, alienz abduction, alienz implants, not at all.

No evidence exists these people were hallucinating. There have been suggestions and speculations by some psychologists and psychiatrists. That's not proof of anything. And as I said John Mack found no sign of psychiatric or mental disorder.

5 hours ago, Hazzard said:

This reeks of bias? 😆 

Dismissing a very real disorder known and agreed upon by most people in the field vs ALiEnZ something you fantasise about and wish to be true.

Thanks for the laugh, dude.

 

I don't know how this disorder is associated with the experiences of theae people. John Mack who was the only person to really send time and effort examining these people back in his time said they appeared to be telling the truth and there was no sign of any psychiatric or mental disorder. A very different picture altogether.

[MrAnderson]

5 hours ago, Resume said:

To be rational and reasonable, candidate explanations for phenomena necessarily need to be demonstrable. Otherwise, they are just speculation, or as in this case, fabulism.

To invent a link between sleep paralysis and what these people have described is not rational or reasonable. And it's just speculation and suggestion without any proof. You will find some articles online trying to make an argument between and a connection between the alleged abductions and sleep paralysis. But all they have made is offering a possibility and nothing else.

[Resume]

7 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

To invent a link between sleep paralysis and what these people have described is not rational or reasonable

Of course it is. 

7 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

And it's just speculation and suggestion without any proof. You will find some articles online trying to make an argument between and a connection between the alleged abductions and sleep paralysis. But all they have made is offering a possibility and nothing else.

Yes it's speculation.  But it is reasonable speculation because sleep paralysis and hypnopompic/hypnagogic hallucinations are demonstrable phenomena.  Alienz implants are not.

Edited September 1 by Resume

[Resume]

7 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

No evidence exists these people were hallucinating. There have been suggestions and speculations by some psychologists and psychiatrists. That's not proof of anything. And as I said John Mack found no sign of psychiatric or mental disorder.

Hypnagogia/hypnopompia are not mental disorders.  They are common phenomena.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/23234-hypnagogic-hallucinations

 

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Hypnagogic hallucinations are hallucinations that happen as you’re falling asleep. They’re common and usually not a cause for concern. Up to 70% of people experience them at least once.

7 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

I don't know how this disorder is associated with the experiences of theae people. John Mack who was the only person to really send time and effort examining these people back in his time said they appeared to be telling the truth and there was no sign of any psychiatric or mental disorder. A very different picture altogether.

See the above

[Hazzard]

Andersson doing his very best to create a strawman again. 

We have seen a number of these stunts from this clown recently, like "moving planets, hovering meteors, and now talking about mental disorder" (instead of Sleep paralysis).

 

Zetorian had this EXACT same tactic. 🧐  

Edited September 1 by Hazzard

[MrAnderson]

12 hours ago, Resume said:

Of course it is. 

Yes it's speculation.  But it is reasonable speculation because sleep paralysis and hypnopompic/hypnagogic hallucinations are demonstrable phenomena.  Alienz implants are not.

Who says it's a reasonable speculation and since when the accounts of these alleged abductees fit sleep paralysis. It looks like an attempt to fit it retrospectively.

Edited September 2 by MrAnderson

[MrAnderson]

12 hours ago, Resume said:

Hypnagogia/hypnopompia are not mental disorders.  They are common phenomena.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/23234-hypnagogic-hallucinations

 

See the above

John Mack said clearly that the people he examined appeared to be telling the truth and didn't suffer from any psychiatric or mental disorders. Do you realise the weight of this statement?

People who are sane and are telling the truth or appear to be telling the truth.

Mack didn't say anything about hallucinations or other conditions that will result in sleep paralysis and I don't think he had mentioned it.

[Hazzard]

3 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

John Mack said clearly that the people he examined appeared to be telling the truth and didn't suffer from any psychiatric or mental disorders. Do you realise the weight of this statement?

People who are sane and are telling the truth or appear to be telling the truth.

Mack didn't say anything about hallucinations or other conditions that will result in sleep paralysis and I don't think he had mentioned it.

John Mack was the only one going down this way... not a single one of his peers agreed with him on this. Not then and not now. 

That should tell you something!

I challenge you to find someone that was on his side... who believed in these abduction stories and agreed with his methods.

Good luck, and let me know what you find.

Edited September 2 by Hazzard

[MrAnderson]

3 hours ago, Hazzard said:

John Mack was the only one going down this way... not a single one of his peers agreed with him on this. Not then and not now. 

That should tell you something!

I challenge you to find someone that was on his side... who believed in these abduction stories and agreed with his methods.

Good luck, and let me know what you find.

I don't know who was on his side at that time. But the reality is that you need to able to establish a connection between the alleged abductions and sleep paralysis not just to state it may have been the case. And for this to happen the people who have been allegedly abducted should be medically examined as sleep paralysis is probably a result of sleep disorders or psychiatric/mental  conditions.

[Golden Duck]

5 hours ago, Hazzard said:

John Mack was the only one going down this way... not a single one of his peers agreed with him on this. Not then and not now. 

That should tell you something!

I challenge you to find someone that was on his side... who believed in these abduction stories and agreed with his methods.

Good luck, and let me know what you find.

I'll back them out.  Zetorian either can't comprehend what Mack said, or they can't quote Mack honestly. 

[Hazzard]

1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

I'll back them out.  Zetorian either can't comprehend what Mack said, or they can't quote Mack honestly. 

He do seem to have a serious problem with reading and understanding. 

[Resume]

11 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

John Mack said clearly that the people he examined appeared to be telling the truth and didn't suffer from any psychiatric or mental disorders.

None of the candidate explanations I offered are mental disorders.  They are common phenomena that 70% of human beings experience.  Lot's of people appear to be telling the truth when they are lying through their teeth.

11 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

Do you realise the weight of this statement?

11 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

People who are sane and are telling the truth or appear to be telling the truth.

Mack didn't say anything about hallucinations or other conditions that will result in sleep paralysis and I don't think he had mentioned it.

A person said a thing about another person.  So what?

[Resume]

12 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

Who says it's a reasonable speculation and since when the accounts of these alleged abductees fit sleep paralysis. It looks like an attempt to fit it retrospectively.

You need to understand the candidate explanations I offered.  They are demonstrable, regularly, observed phenomena that 70% of human beings experience. It is therefore entirely reasonable to offer them as explanations as opposed to alien abductions which are not observed at all, for which there is no good evidence beyond claims.

ETA:  Applying Ocamm's Razor here, and not adding unneccasary assumptions/entities, the candidate explanations myself and Hazzard have offered are far more reasonable than an alien abduction.  As far as your argument from authority argument, well, that's all that is.

Edited September 2 by Resume

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, Resume said:

None of the candidate explanations I offered are mental disorders.  They are common phenomena that 70% of human beings experience.  Lot's of people appear to be telling the truth when they are lying through their teeth.

A person said a thing about another person.  So what?

Most of the discussion tries to relate sleep paralysis to alleged alien abduction and this could be a result of a sleep or psychiatric/mental disorder. If you try to related something else to it like the ones you did then you would expect a large part of the human population to have similar experiences. But as we know these experiences are not that common or anywhere near the 70% you mentioned for the explanations you are given.

[Hazzard]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

 But as we know these experiences are not that common or anywhere near the 70% you mentioned for the explanations you are given.

Show me how you know this?

Unless of course you are just pulling stuff out of your ass again!

[Resume]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

Most of the discussion tries to relate sleep paralysis to alleged alien abduction and this could be a result of a sleep or psychiatric/mental disorder. If you try to related something else to it like the ones you did then you would expect a large part of the human population to have similar experiences. But as we know these experiences are not that common or anywhere near the 70% you mentioned for the explanations you are given.

Sigh.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/23234-hypnagogic-hallucinations

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Hypnagogic hallucinations are hallucinations that happen as you’re falling asleep. They’re common and usually not a cause for concern. Up to 70% of people experience them at least once.

A hallucination is a false perception of objects or events involving your senses: sight, sound, smell, touch and taste. Hallucinations seem real but they’re not.

 

[Resume]

3 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Show me how you know this?

Unless of course you are just pulling stuff out of your ass again!

Yes.