Is there finally proof of alien implants in human bodies?

[MrAnderson]

3 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Show me how you know this?

Unless of course you are just pulling stuff out of your ass again!

Do 70% of the population talks about alien abductions?

"They are common phenomena that 70% of human beings experience."

This is what the other poster wrote about hypnagogia and hypnopompia.

[Resume]

On 8/31/2024 at 5:13 PM, Hazzard said:

WTF!!??   Read the links I posted  for you Numbscull.

That would be helpful.

[MrAnderson]

4 minutes ago, Resume said:

Sigh.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/23234-hypnagogic-hallucinations

 

Yes they experience hypnagogia and hypnopompia. Not the alleged alien abductions or likewise experiences.

Even if you try to relate these two to sleep paralysis then your link is weak and then you try to relate the alleged alien abductions to sleep paralysis altogether.

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[Hazzard]

2 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

Even if you try to relate these two to sleep paralysis then your link is weak and then you try to relate the alleged alien abductions to sleep paralysis altogether.

... but your link is strong, is that what you are trying to say here? 😄

[MrAnderson]

3 minutes ago, Resume said:

That would be helpful.

So what you and @Hazzardhave done is to relate hypnagogia and hypnopompia to sleep paralysis although sleep paralysis could have many causes and then to relate sleep paralysis to the alleged alien abductions. It doesn't seem to have a strong connection rather than speculation and nothing else. It's just pure speculation at this point. 

[Resume]

https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-conditions/sleep/nighttime-sleep-behaviors/sleep-paralysis.html

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Sleep paralysis is a normal part of the REM sleep. However, it is considered to be a disorder when it occurs outside of REM sleep. It can occur in otherwise healthy people, as well as in those presenting symptoms of narcolepsy, cataplexy and hypnagogic hallucinations. When it occurs without narcolepsy, it is classified at Isolated Sleep Paralysis (ISP) . . .  

Sleep paralysis can occur in otherwise normal sleepers, and is surprisingly common in its occurrence and universality. It has also been linked to certain conditions such as increased stress, excessive alcohol consumption, sleep deprivation, and narcolepsy.

 

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[MrAnderson]

Just now, Hazzard said:

... but your link is strong, is that what you are trying to say here? 😄

I didn't say these people were abducted I mentioned John Mack and the fact that your explanation is pure speculation.

[Hazzard]

Just now, MrAnderson said:

 It's just pure speculation at this point. 

If that is so... then your ET is not even on the list of possible explanations.

[MrAnderson]

1 minute ago, Resume said:

https://stanfordhealthcare.org/medical-conditions/sleep/nighttime-sleep-behaviors/sleep-paralysis.html

 

That's all accepted but the links between hypnagogia and hypnopompia to sleep paralysis and then to alleged alien abductions have not been established or are weak arguments. They are based on speculation mainly. Sleep paralysis can have many causes and sleep paralysis may or may not have something to do with these 'abductions'.

[Resume]

14 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

Yes they experience hypnagogia and hypnopompia. Not the alleged alien abductions or likewise experiences.

Even if you try to relate these two to sleep paralysis then your link is weak and then you try to relate the alleged alien abductions to sleep paralysis altogether.

If you remember, you once called me out on the personal experience thread about my own experience with hynopompia in which I saw an alien looking ghost looking down at me as I awoke.  These phenomenon are normal, demonstrable, and commonly observed and are perfectly reasonable.  

As opposed to your preferred fantasy explanation.

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[Hazzard]

6 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

I didn't say these people were abducted I mentioned John Mack and the fact that your explanation is pure speculation.

Yes you did!

After your usual handwaiving you said...

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Either they have been abducted by humans who also experimented on them or they have been abducted by the creatures they have described in their testimonies.

 

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[MrAnderson]

3 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

If that is so... then your ET is not even on the list of possible explanations.

Not according to the people who lived these experiences. You forget that these people didn't say they were hsllucinatiinh or were under thr influence of drugs or they have episodes of sleep paralysis and when examined by Mack they found not to be suffering from any psychiatric disorders.

[MrAnderson]

2 minutes ago, Resume said:

If you remember, you once called me out on the personal experience thread about me own experience with hynopompia in which I saw an alien looking ghost looking down at me as I awoke.  These phenomenon are normal, demonstrable, and commonly observed and are perfectly reasonable.  

As opposed to your preferred fantasy explanation.

 

1 minute ago, Hazzard said:

Yes you did!

After your usual handwaiving you said...

 

No I didn't. It's obvious that I am referring to Mack and the experiences of these people as described by them.

The connection you are trying to establish is not there and you may have to think this is entirely something different to sleep paralysis. It reminds me of these arguments where UFOs are explained with meteors and stars when we know they are not in the vast majority of cases.

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[Resume]

Just now, MrAnderson said:

That's all accepted but the links between hypnagogia and hypnopompia to sleep paralysis and then to alleged alien abductions have not been established or are weak arguments.

Oh not at all.  They explain the events without adding unnecessary entities.

Just now, MrAnderson said:

They are based on speculation mainly

Yes, informed speculation bases on common phenomena, rather than outlandish fabulism.

Just now, MrAnderson said:

 Sleep paralysis can have many causes and sleep paralysis may or may not have something to do with these 'abductions'.

Precisely. Delusion, attention seeking behavior, out and out lying may or may not have something to do with these claims, and are much more likely than alien abduction.

[Resume]

4 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

 

No I didn't. It's obvious that I am referring to Mack and the experiences of these people.

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Either they have been abducted by humans who also experimented on them or they have been abducted by the creatures they have described in their testimonies.

Also too, a clear false dichotomy.  

[MrAnderson]

Just now, Resume said:

Oh not at all.  They explain the events without adding unnecessary entities.

Yes, informed speculation bases on common phenomena, rather than outlandish fabulism.

Precisely. Delusion, attention seeking behavior, out and out lying may or may not have something to do with these claims, and are much more likely than alien abduction.

No you didn't get it. You and Hazard tried to relate hypnagogia and hypnopompia to sleep paralysis although sleep paralysis could have many causes and not the ones you described and then to relate sleep paralysis to the alleged alien abductions. This a weak argument and there is not much to it other than speculation.

[MrAnderson]

Just now, Resume said:

Also too, a clear false dichotomy.  

IF the experiences are true. I didn't say their experiences are true. I said IF they are true.

[Resume]

29 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

Not according to the people who lived these experiences. You forget that these people didn't say they were hsllucinatiinh or were under thr influence of drugs or they have episodes of sleep paralysis

I didn't think my alien/ghost was a hynopompic event until I discovered the phenomenon.  Actually, my old man called it a waking dream, but is seemed so real that I didn't buy that explanation for a long time.

29 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

and when examined by Mack they found not to be suffering from any psychiatric disorders.

So what?  These phenomena we're discussing do not necessarily have anything to do with clinical diagnoses.  Also too, the psychologist in the household reminds me that academics and doctors and shrinks can all be fooled.

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[Resume]

3 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

IF the experiences are true. I didn't say their experiences are true. I said IF they are true.

If does a lot of heavy lifting.  And it's still a false dichotomy.

 

6 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

No you didn't get it. You and Hazard tried to relate hypnagogia and hypnopompia to sleep paralysis although sleep paralysis could have many causes and not the ones you described and then to relate sleep paralysis to the alleged alien abductions.

They are far better candidate explanations than alienzzzz.  Now you're just being dismissive and stubborn.

6 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

This a weak argument and there is not much to it other than speculation.

It's an excellent argument considering my experience with the phenomenon.

[Trelane]

Looks like Zetorian painted himself in a corner again.

[Resume]

13 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Looks like Zetorian painted himself in a corner again.

Methinks it's gonna be nuh-uh replies from here on out.

[Resume]

In addition to my hypnopompic event, I've also been abducted and can assure you I could easily prove it.  Wasn't alienzzzz though.

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[Trelane]

1 minute ago, Resume said:

Methinks it's gonna be nuh-uh replies from here on out.

It looks like he's backpedaled to his usual "I didn't say that" stuff after he clearly and specifically states something.

[MrAnderson]

14 hours ago, Resume said:

I didn't think my alien/ghost was a hynopompic event until I discovered the phenomenon.  Actually, my old man called it a waking dream, but is seemed so real that I didn't buy that explanation for a long time.

So what?  These phenomena we're discussing do not necessarily have anything to do with clinical diagnoses.  Also too, the psychologist in the household reminds me that academics and doctors and shrinks can all be fooled.

What you think about your experience is irrelevant to these cases. If you want to argue that all or most sightings are a result of hypnagogia and hypnopompia then you are dangerously stretching your argument because UFO sightings and other paranormal events usually happen when we are awake and not when we are sleeping. Yes you can have sleep related events but that's something different.

[MrAnderson]

14 hours ago, Resume said:

If does a lot of heavy lifting.  And it's still a false dichotomy.

 

They are far better candidate explanations than alienzzzz.  Now you're just being dismissive and stubborn.

It's an excellent argument considering my experience with the phenomenon.

I never said they are true. I said IF they are true. And there is no false dichotomy there as IF these events are true we are talking about a serious phenomenon in which serious criminal offense have been commited by humans (which is one possibility) or from the entities they are described in the accounts of the alleged abductees.

You see from my posts that I wasn't the person to bring up alleged abductions by aliens. But I cannot dismiss the accounts of these otherwise credible people as described by John Mack based on the basis of sleep paralysis which may not be true in their case because it's just a speculation. On the other hand we really don't know if there is any link between sleep paralysis and alleged alien abductions or that sleep paralysis is caused (in these cases) by hypnagogia and hypnopompia a it can have many causes.