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Jews were Exiles from Crete

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Abramelin Celestial

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I don’t buy this….developed in situ in the hills of Canaan. 

This is what I thought just now:

Jews lived all over the Roman empire. And Tacitus, a historian, may actually have talked with one about Jewish history. This Jew may have told him about those Philistines and where they came from and how they were absorbed by the Jewish/Hebrew population.

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9 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

quote mistake

This is true.

 

3 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

No I literally quoted you by mistake before I quoted Puzzler lol. Just wrote that so you weren’t wondering why it was blank

The Philistines were no Hebrews….

But maybe Hebrews were Philistines…is this what the Bible story is really conveying.

 

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I don’t buy this….developed in situ in the hills of Canaan. 

Uh huh.....

And why not? 

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The Philistines were no Hebrews….

But maybe Hebrews were Philistines…is this what the Bible story is really conveying.

 

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7 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

 

The Philistines were no Hebrews….

But maybe Hebrews were Philistines…is this what the Bible story is really conveying.

 

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Agreed, they were most likely Greek. I remember reading about this when I was younger 

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But maybe Hebrews were Philistines…is this what the Bible story is really conveying.

Sigh..

The Philistines were from Crete. They settled on the west coast of ancient Israel. Within a couple of centuries they hsd been completely absorbed by the Hebrews. That's genetically, culturally, religiously and linguistically.

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27 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

 

22 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Not nec directed at you Antigonos…the editor was being a prick, just in general…

They were exiled to the farthest reaches of Africa.

Like….Hittites aligned with them…as we see in the Bible…

Because they didn’t marry their sister, like in Egypt…

Abraham burying Sarah on Ephrams property.

I can say now, if Bathsheba had not been a Hittite wife…God wouldn’t have given a toss….

David was punished by The Lord because they both (Uriah and David) held the same morals, in the presence of the Lord.

See, the Bible is bull****, isn’t it? Only containing moralistic examples of the faith.

The Bible takes pains to call Uriah…the Hittite.

We didn’t even know about Hittites until just over 100 years ago.

I doubt any of us are Biblical experts on what any of it is about.

 

 

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Uh huh.....

And why not? 

See Post #50

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6 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Sigh..

The Philistines were from Crete. They settled on the west coast of ancient Israel. Within a couple of centuries they hsd been completely absorbed by the Hebrews. That's genetically, culturally, religiously and linguistically.

Why are you sighing, that really annoys me.

Oh sigh, you’re not getting it, are you.

The Philistines were from Crete, well good on them.

So were the Jews.

See post #50.

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So, the exiles from Crete….who became Jews, do not strike me as Philistines…but

If the story of David and Goliath is just a moralistic tale, well, that can work…

Davids tribe overcame the Philistine tribe..both same people from the Aegean….how interesting.

”Most scholars agree that the Philistines were of Greek origin, and that they came from Crete and the rest of the Aegean Islands….”

This???? 

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Why are you sighing, that really annoys me.

Oh sigh, you’re not getting it, are you.

The Philistines were from Crete, well good on them.

So were the Jews.

See post #50.

No they weren't.....

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Why are you sighing, that really annoys me.

Oh sigh, you’re not getting it, are you.

The Philistines were from Crete, well good on them.

So were the Jews.

See post #50.

I understand you perfectly.

But ▪︎I▪︎ try to tell that you can consider PART of the Hebrews as originating in Crete.

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Not nec directed at you Antigonos…the editor was being a prick, just in general…

They were exiled to the farthest reaches of Africa.

Like….Hittites aligned with them…as we see in the Bible…

Because they didn’t marry their sister, like in Egypt…

Abraham burying Sarah on Ephrams property.

I can say now, if Bathsheba had not been a Hittite wife…God wouldn’t have given a toss….

David was punished by The Lord because they both (Uriah and David) held the same morals, in the presence of the Lord.

See, the Bible is bull****, isn’t it? Only containing moralistic examples of the faith.

The Bible takes pains to call Uriah…the Hittite.

We didn’t even know about Hittites until just over 100 years ago.

I doubt any of us are Biblical experts on what any of it is about.

 

 

Uriah was a Hethite. A Canaanite tribe.

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Uriah was a Hethite. A Canaanite tribe.

And not Hittites.

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Who were the circumcised captives of the Sea People?

“According to the Great Karnak Inscription, three of the Sea Peoples—the Ekwesh, Sheklesh and Sherdani—were circumcised. These three Sea Peoples are included in a “list of captives and slain” in the Libyan-Mediterranean invasion of Pharaoh Merneptah (1212–1202 B.C.E.).”

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2 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I understand you perfectly.

But ▪︎I▪︎ try to tell that you can consider PART of the Hebrews as originating in Crete.

I got that before. Thanks. Part of them, IF the Philistines were Hebrew…

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Who were the circumcised captives of the Sea People?

“According to the Great Karnak Inscription, three of the Sea Peoples—the Ekwesh, Sheklesh and Sherdani—were circumcised. These three Sea Peoples are included in a “list of captives and slain” in the Libyan-Mediterranean invasion of Pharaoh Merneptah (1212–1202 B.C.E.).”

A lot of people circumcised. It doesn’t make them Jews.

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Uriah was a Hethite. A Canaanite tribe.

Oh right.

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A lot of people circumcised. It doesn’t make them Jews.

No, Herodotus says who were in his day, only Egyptians, Ethiopians and Syrio-Phoenicians. They have to be one.

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And not Hittites.

Is this a joke.

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Whether they were or not aside , what's the "so what' if there were Jews that came from Crete? Why is this important? What is the relevance or need to have Jews come from Crete?

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Not nec directed at you Antigonos…the editor was being a prick, just in general…

 

 

 

No worries. I’m having the same problem.

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This???? 

I don’t really know Piney tbh.

The quote has me wondering why it was a thought, that Jews came from Crete.

Their is usually a reason for a rumour.

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Their is usually a reason for a rumour.

That I have been trying to explain to you for the past hour.

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What we do know about Minoan culture is quite similar to Hebrew culture, the singing, the dancing…the ability to entertain people, the smarts, the pious ness…

The whole culture smacks of it….then they were exiled to Libya…then the culture falls…then God floods it, causes destruction because the people were full of hubris.

 

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No, Herodotus says who were in his day, only Egyptians, Ethiopians and Syrio-Phoenicians. They have to be one.

No, that just means they lived in a desert. Which is why my people did it.

4 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Their is usually a reason for a rumour.

Or it's just something pulled out if someone's ass.

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