Mongolia obliged to arrest Putin if he visits - ICC

[Still Waters]

Mongolian officials "have the obligation" to arrest Vladimir Putin if he visits the country next week, the International Criminal Court (ICC) has said.

The trip, expected to happen on Tuesday, will be the first time the Russian leader has visited an ICC member nation since the court ordered his arrest in March 2023.

The court alleges Mr Putin is responsible for war crimes, saying he failed to stop the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia since the conflict began.

Despite officials in Ukraine demanding that Mongolia arrest Mr Putin once he arrives in the country, the Kremlin said it had "no worries" about the visit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e852r50x7o

[eight bits]

Um ...

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The agreement [which establishes the ICC] says in some circumstances, states may be exempted from the obligation to carry out an arrest where they would be forced to "breach a treaty obligation" with another state or where it would violate "diplomatic immunity of a person or property of a third state".

Mr Putin travels on a diplomatic passport. End of story (unless, of course, he wanders too close to an 11th story window, but that's true everywhere, even in the Kremlin.)

[L.A.T.1961]

Probably seeking asylum.  😉

[Setton]

On 8/31/2024 at 12:09 AM, eight bits said:

Um ...

Mr Putin travels on a diplomatic passport. End of story (unless, of course, he wanders too close to an 11th story window, but that's true everywhere, even in the Kremlin.)

That's not how diplomatic immunity works. Immunity only covers acts carried out in one's capacity as a diplomat. Pretty sure abducting children wasn't done in Putin's diplomatic capacity.

It's like the American spy who killed a kid in the UK by driving down the wrong side of the road. In law, she has no immunity and the UK has sought her extradition. The US has refused of course, because one rule for them and one for everyone else but the legal premise still holds.

[MrAnderson]

On 8/30/2024 at 4:10 PM, Still Waters said:

Mongolian officials "have the obligation" to arrest Vladimir Putin if he visits the country next week, the International Criminal Court (ICC) has said.

The trip, expected to happen on Tuesday, will be the first time the Russian leader has visited an ICC member nation since the court ordered his arrest in March 2023.

The court alleges Mr Putin is responsible for war crimes, saying he failed to stop the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia since the conflict began.

Despite officials in Ukraine demanding that Mongolia arrest Mr Putin once he arrives in the country, the Kremlin said it had "no worries" about the visit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e852r50x7o

That's a joke. He will never be arrested by the Mongolian officials.

I don't have a problem with the arrest of Putin generally speaking but if he was the be arrested then several other western leaders and officials should be arrested too together with several other leaders and officials from countries in the middle east (including Israel), in africa and asia.

[pellinore]

2 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

That's a joke. He will never be arrested by the Mongolian officials.

I don't have a problem with the arrest of Putin generally speaking but if he was the be arrested then several other western leaders and officials should be arrested too together with several other leaders and officials from countries in the middle east (including Israel), in africa and asia.

The US has had to leave the HR Council and has always evaded international questions over torture. They use 'extraordinary rendition' if they want someone physically torn to pieces.

Why did the US leave the UN Human Rights Council? - BBC News

Edited September 2 by pellinore

[CrimsonKing]

On 9/1/2024 at 9:56 AM, L.A.T.1961 said:

Probably seeking asylum.  😉

Trying to find his own Elba before he has to learn how to fly 😆

[pellinore]

There’s nothing remarkable about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to Mongolia on Tuesday — he’s due to meet the country’s leader, hold talks on developing bilateral ties and attend a gala reception.

What is unusual is that Mongolia, as a member of the International Criminal Court, should have arrested the Russian president as soon as he landed on Mongolian soil Monday evening.

Putin is the subject of an international arrest warrant issued by the ICC in March 2023. The court alleged that he is responsible for war crimes, with a particular focus on the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia.

At the time, the Kremlin described the ICC’s actions as “outrageous and unacceptable” and said they had no effect on Russia, which is not a member of the ICC.

Putin's Mongolia trip defies ICC arrest warrant: What could happen next? (cnbc.com)

Edited September 8 by pellinore

[Duke Wellington]

Its a Western and Russian falling out, you cannot expect other nations with a more positive relationship with Russia would take it seriously.

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Duke Wellington said:

Its a Western and Russian falling out, you cannot expect other nations with a more positive relationship with Russia would take it seriously.

HI Cookie 

Might be a great way to get sanctioned or have their representatives arrested for failure to enforce a warrent when they go to other countries. 

[joseraul]

Gengis Khan would have kicked ass.

 

They just don't make them like they used to.

[Ajay0]

 This shows that the west is losing the battle of perception  in the world.

Countries in the second world and especially the third world view Putin as a sort of Robin Hood hero who is taking on the rich,decadent and corrupt
west and putting it in its place where it belongs.

An another example is that of Che Guevara, a symbol of resistance against the US, and who is now the subject of the world's most famous photograph
and poster titled Guerrillero Heroico. His posters are used extensively even in Europe and the west by students during protest rallies.

Past history of western colonialism and interference has made it an object of anger and scorn in most of the world.

I am personally fond of US figures like Abraham Lincoln, JFK and Martin Luther King,and the US should similarly try to project these figures throughout the world so as to win the perception battle.

Yes, an American aircraft carrier group can evoke fear in most countries but this can be counter-productive in the long run as fear is bound to sequence to hatred. 

JFK's initiative of the Peace Corps is a fine example of building good relationships with the rest of the world through sending volunteers for humanitarian and development objectives rather than sending soldiers instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Corps

Albert Schweitzer, the theologian and musician who studied medicine to serve in Africa  is an another great example to be evoked from the european perspective, imho.

This is important taking into considering Russia's strong influence in Africa as most African nations were divided in the UN resolutions condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Rising Islamic militancy in Africa targetting westerners is also an another source of concern for the west.