Bodycam footage of Tyreek Hill's detention released: 'Take me to jail'

[+OverSword]

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The Miami-Dade Police Department on Monday released officers’ bodycam footage of the incident involving Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill.

Miami-Dade Police Director Stephane V. Daniels said more than an hour of footage was going to be released as part of a commitment to transparency. An investigation into the incident is ongoing, and an officer involved in the situation was placed on "administrative duties."

 

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[Gromdor]

I feel for the guy.  What's wrong with the cops just giving him his ticket and sending him on his way instead of having to "flex their muscles" and escalate the situtation to something that might give them cause to shoot people.  Last I checked, it was't illegal to roll your windows up.

[Buzz_Light_Year]

He was confrontational from the beginning so what did he expect? 

[papageorge1]

I take the police side on this issue. Under those conditions you must be cooperative for officers to ensure their  own safety. Hill was belligerent and difficult and not reacting to the window down rule which is a red flag for further concern.

I hope he gets in legal trouble for resisting a police officer.

Confirms my opinion that Tyreek Hill is a jackass. He's been in problems before.

Cooperate and everything would have been easy and smooth and he'd be on his way.

 

 

[+OverSword]

13 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

He was confrontational from the beginning so what did he expect? 

He did nothing wrong but hurting a power tripping cops feelings except possibly speeding.  At least one of these guys should be bounced out of the department.

[+OverSword]

8 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I take the police side on this issue. Under those conditions you must be cooperative for officers to ensure their  own safety. Hill was belligerent and difficult and not reacting to the window down rule which is a red flag for further concern.

I hope he gets in legal trouble for resisting a police officer.

Confirms my opinion that Tyreek Hill is a jackass. He's been in problems before.

Cooperate and everything would have been easy and smooth and he'd be on his way.

 

 

It's smart to obey every command given but not legally required.  The police are in the wrong.

[Buzz_Light_Year]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

He did nothing wrong but hurting a power tripping cops feelings except possibly speeding.  At least one of these guys should be bounced out of the department.

https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_316-072

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(3) OBEDIENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS.–It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer, traffic crash investigation officer as described in s. 316.640, traffic infraction enforcement officer as described in s. 316.640, or member of the fire department at the scene of a fire, rescue operation, or other emergency. Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection, certified emergency medical technicians or paramedics may respond to the scene of emergencies and may provide emergency medical treatment on the scene and provide transport of patients in the performance of their duties for an emergency medical services provider licensed under chapter 401 and in accordance with any local emergency medical response protocols.

He was instructed to roll his window down and didn't comply. 

[+OverSword]

8 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_316-072

He was instructed to roll his window down and didn't comply. 

Lawful is the key word.  There is no law stating you have to roll down your window.

 

Police do not get to write laws as they go.

Edited September 10 by OverSword

[papageorge1]

13 minutes ago, OverSword said:

It's smart to obey every command given but not legally required.  The police are in the wrong.

Where were they in the wrong?

[Buzz_Light_Year]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Lawful is the key word.  There is no law stating you have to roll down your window.  

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for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer

Call it a lawful order or refusal to follow the direction of the LEO it doesn't really matter. There doesn't have to be a specific law dictating that a motorist has to roll down their window when asked. If the LEO directs the motorist to roll down their window then the motorist needs to roll down their window.

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Call it a lawful order or refusal to follow the direction of the LEO it doesn't really matter. There doesn't have to be a specific law dictating that a motorist has to roll down their window when asked. If the LEO directs the motorist to roll down their window then the motorist needs to roll down their window.

Actually what you state is only accurate if it's law.  After some research in Florida it is the law so I stand corrected.  If that happened here in my state there is no such law you are only required to roll down the window far enough to pass your license and other info over.

[Buzz_Light_Year]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Actually what you state is only accurate if it's law.  After some research in Florida it is the law so I stand corrected.  If that happened here in my state there is no such law you are only required to roll down the window far enough to pass your license and other info over.

If both parties had been civil toward one another the whole traffic stop would of been a non issue. 

[Zebra3]

I didn't get him in any of my drafts. 😡

[+and-then]

32 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Actually what you state is only accurate if it's law.  After some research in Florida it is the law so I stand corrected.  If that happened here in my state there is no such law you are only required to roll down the window far enough to pass your license and other info over.

It looked to me like he and the cop both had attitudes.  The cops win that nearly every time.  It doesn't make them right, but it is what it is.

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Under those conditions you must be cooperative for officers to ensure their  own safety.

The conditions being of course pulled over for a speeding infration, on an extremely busy street, by multiple armed cops who put him to the ground with a knee in his back within a minute of pulling him over.  I'd only be concerned about one person's safety in that situation and it ain't the cops.  Hopefully at least one of them is fired, specifically this one:

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The officer who forced Hill to the ground kept him in place with a knee to Hill's back, telling Hill to "stop crying."

"When we tell you to do something, you do it, you understand?" the officer tells Hill. "Not when you want, but when we tell you. You're a little f---ing confused."

Hill is escorted to the sidewalk and told to sit down, to which Hill replies that he recently had knee surgery and asks the officers to "hold on." The same officer who pulled Hill out of his vehicle, who was not the closest officer to Hill, then rushes toward Hill, wraps his arms around his shoulders and forces him to the ground again, at one point putting his hands around Hill's neck.

The officer expresses skepticism of Hill's surgery.

"Oh really? What a coincidence," he said to Hill. "Did you have surgery on your ears when we told you to put the window down?"

That doesn't sound like anyone who has the mental and emotional maturity and stability to be a police officer, it sounds like someone who is on a little power trip.  Hill's a multi-millionaire so hopefully his lawyers get more involved and this jerk cop can find out exactly who's 'a little f---ing confused'.

[acidhead]

Question: why were there multiple police officers there in the video footage we have seen? It was a traffic stop for suspected speeding. I'm suspecting there was an initial stop by one, maybe two officers. What led to there being multiple police on scene? 

 

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Question: why were there multiple police officers there in the video footage we have seen? It was a traffic stop for suspected speeding. I'm suspecting there was an initial stop by one, maybe two officers. What led to there being multiple police on scene? 

 

At a guess because they were near the stadium before the game.  There are always a lot of motorcycle cops around on game day here, usually with the bikes parked and directing traffic.

[Tatetopa]

.You cannot disobey the law if you are middle class or poor.  Now if your rich enough, you don't have to comply or even be polite.  You have a team of lawyers riding with you to contest it and appeal it and then insult the cops and their families and talk about the cop's daughter being nasty. You can get away with it all.

 

[+Razman]

Thing is , it looks like blacked out windows on Tyree's car , so if your a cop and don't know right off hand who it is, are you gonna wanna stand outside that closed window? Speeding and no seat belt , breaks the law , so at that point you are under investigation. He should have complied. 

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[papageorge1]

42 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

The conditions being of course pulled over for a speeding infration, on an extremely busy street, by multiple armed cops who put him to the ground with a knee in his back within a minute of pulling him over.  I'd only be concerned about one person's safety in that situation and it ain't the cops.  Hopefully at least one of them is fired, specifically this one:

That doesn't sound like anyone who has the mental and emotional maturity and stability to be a police officer, it sounds like someone who is on a little power trip.  Hill's a multi-millionaire so hopefully his lawyers get more involved and this jerk cop can find out exactly who's 'a little f---ing confused'.

Did you watch the body cam video or just read the story?

[+Liquid Gardens]

18 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Did you watch the body cam video or just read the story?

Both

[papageorge1]

6 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Both

Then we 100% disagree now on every controversial subject here, lol.

My position is people need to comply with all reasonable police requests for officer and public safety even if they weren't tinted windows. If the person thinks they have a grievance they can address it in an orderly manner after.

We ask officers to do this job for us and they deserve respect and the best chance for safety in exchange! They need to see in the damn car.

 

[+OverSword]

16 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Then we 100% disagree now on every controversial subject here, lol.

My position is people need to comply with all reasonable police requests for officer and public safety even if they weren't tinted windows. If the person thinks they have a grievance they can address it in an orderly manner after.

We ask officers to do this job for us and they deserve respect and the best chance for safety in exchange! They need to see in the damn car.

 

Pulled over a guy driving a $150k car.  Probably don't have to worry much about your safety.  The cops could have allowed him to be petty IMO, but chose to escalate unnecessarily and take it personally.  Here is how a professional does it.

 

 

Edited September 10 by OverSword

[+Liquid Gardens]

10 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

My position is people need to comply with all reasonable police requests for officer and public safety even if they weren't tinted windows. If the person thinks they have a grievance they can address it in an orderly manner after.

Really?  And how often does it get addressed after they file a grievance?  Are you familiar with the existing disparities in how black people are treated by police?  You think something would be done about this if it wasn't Tyreek Hill and just some other motorist?

12 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

We ask officers to do this job for us and they deserve respect and the best chance for safety in exchange!

No, we hire officers to do this job, it they can't do it the way they should we hire new officers who can.  They do not automatically deserve respect, as in all professions there are those that do and those that don't.  They also have responsibilities, big ones since they have an array of armament on their belt, and they are not even in the top 10 of most dangerous jobs in America.  They are employees, not soldiers called up to protect our country or something.

13 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

They need to see in the damn car.

The problems in this video extend beyond the point when they could fully see in the car.  When someone says they have had knee surgery you don't force them down when they're already hand-cuffed.  If you can't see that some of these cops are responsible for needlessly escalating things, I assume based on Hill's attitude which is not against any law anywhere, I can't help you.

Where we may be able to agree is my overall opinion that cops should be paid quite a bit more than they are.  That should attract more intelligent, educated, and professional officers who are treated like any other employee including the expectations for professional conduct and the disciplining that applies if they fail at that.  I hear a lot how tough their job is, although I'm skeptical about how many cops that actually applies to, but if it's the truth then it only makes sense they are compensated for it.

[papageorge1]

19 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Really?  And how often does it get addressed after they file a grievance?  Are you familiar with the existing disparities in how black people are treated by police?  You think something would be done about this if it wasn't Tyreek Hill and just some other motorist?

No, we hire officers to do this job, it they can't do it the way they should we hire new officers who can.  They do not automatically deserve respect, as in all professions there are those that do and those that don't.  They also have responsibilities, big ones since they have an array of armament on their belt, and they are not even in the top 10 of most dangerous jobs in America.  They are employees, not soldiers called up to protect our country or something.

The problems in this video extend beyond the point when they could fully see in the car.  When someone says they have had knee surgery you don't force them down when they're already hand-cuffed.  If you can't see that some of these cops are responsible for needlessly escalating things, I assume based on Hill's attitude which is not against any law anywhere, I can't help you.

Where we may be able to agree is my overall opinion that cops should be paid quite a bit more than they are.  That should attract more intelligent, educated, and professional officers who are treated like any other employee including the expectations for professional conduct and the disciplining that applies if they fail at that.  I hear a lot how tough their job is, although I'm skeptical about how many cops that actually applies to, but if it's the truth then it only makes sense they are compensated for it.

We apparently have unreconcilable 100% differences of opinon.