So which month is it then?

[F3SS]

That was by far my favorite question in the debate. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. Or not I guess. If there's no line then I guess it's month 9. Sickening imo.

I have always believed in the exceptions as does Trump. Rape, incest, imminent medical dangers to the mother or baby. 

Next, what's the big deal with it being a state issue? I don't want it outlawed or lawless but I also never liked the federal government being the rule maker on this subject. Harris kept saying you don't want Trump involved with abortion. Ok fine but what about her or any future successors? Trump solved this problem and it's now a state issue. If you could snap your fingers now and make it a federal issue today how will you feel if Trump wins or the next president you don't like amd so on as abortion laws are created and erased with each passing administration. The only part if it that should be a federal law is enforcing the ability to have abortions in case of the exceptions. Other than that, it should be a state issue.

[Gromdor]

You realize if the states decide, it can be fifty different times (months).

[F3SS]

34 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

You realize if the states decide, it can be fifty different times (months).

It's better than it being centralized and radicalized in one way or another for everybody. I realize nothings perfect but you'll only like it as long as you like whoever is in charge of it.

[Gromdor]

3 minutes ago, F3SS said:

It's better than it being centralized and radicalized in one way or another for everybody. I realize nothings perfect but you'll only like it as long as you like whoever is in charge of it.

I expect it will be great for lawyers as people and states all start having legal hassles because there is no unified regulation.  It should be great for politicians for elections too.

 

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

You realize if the states decide, it can be fifty different times (months).

That's how it is in Australia - each State decides how long before abortions are illegal. I don't have a problem with that.

Edited September 11 by Link of Hyrule

[F3SS]

45 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I expect it will be great for lawyers as people and states all start having legal hassles because there is no unified regulation.  It should be great for politicians for elections too.

 

Fantastic. So the question remains... which month is it for you?

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

You realize if the states decide, it can be fifty different times (months).

By giving States the responsibility, you are making the individual politicians in those States responsible to their V O T E R S.  That is how this country was designed to work.

[+Desertrat56]

It would be idiotic to make abortions after 7 months legal as premature babies survive after 7 months.  It is now common for women carrying twins or triplets to get a c section when the babies are gestated 7 moths as letting them go to term endagers the mother and the babies in many cases.   

AND MEN SHOULD NEVER BE THE ONES TO DECIDE THIS!!!!!!   They have no clue about any of it, just their beliefs,bias, money and comfort, that is what men are concerned with.  So you men can just keep your stupid opinions to yourself whether you are for or against.

[the13bats]

http://So which month is it then?

I guess aug-sept were the most maga straw grasping ive seen so far,

But i liked in the debate where convicted felon kept insisting to the host kindly trying to help him not to look ridiculous that migrants are eating pets.

And then when trump got unhinged about babies being executed after birth and the kind host told him no, that not the case,

Wow, and people thought biden mind was gone.

 

Edited September 11 by the13bats

[the13bats]

2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

It would be idiotic to make abortions after 7 months legal as premature babies survive after 7 months.  It is now common for women carrying twins or triplets to get a c section when the babies are gestated 7 moths as letting them go to term endagers the mother and the babies in many cases.   

AND MEN SHOULD NEVER BE THE ONES TO DECIDE THIS!!!!!!   They have no clue about any of it, just their beliefs,bias, money and comfort, that is what men are concerned with.  So you men can just keep your stupid opinions to yourself whether you are for or against.

Best post of thread!

Remember ladies trump wants full control of YOUR body and choices about it,  hows that for giving you creepy heebie jeebies?

 

[+Desertrat56]

4 minutes ago, and-then said:

By giving States the responsibility, you are making the individual politicians in those States responsible to their V O T E R S.  That is how this country was designed to work.

You are right about that, we do not get representation at the federal level and often, at least in New Mexico and Texas, the politicians are not from the state they claim to represent (Bush, Bill Richardson, and many others).   The Bushes are from the north east U.S.   They moved to Texas because they wanted to be politicians and GW only went to highschool in Midland for one semester, right after his family bought their ranch.  He didn't live at the ranch, he visited it.  Bill Richardson was born in California and grew up in Mexico City before he went to college in the eastern U.S.   But suddenly he owns property in NM and gets elected to represent NM for who know how or why, since no one had ever heard of him before the first campaign.   Both of them were raise to be politicians by very rich families.  They are not unique, where do you think Hillary came from?   There are many politicians that never represented at the state level or the federal level the people who we are told voted for them.

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Remember ladies trump wants full control of YOUR body and choices about it,  hows that for giving you creepy heebie jeebies?

So that's why he left it up to the states. duh 🤪

Biden already forced me to get a shot I didn't want.

[+Desertrat56]

3 minutes ago, Michelle said:

So that's why he left it up to the states. duh 🤪

Biden already forced me to get a shot I didn't want.

Do you work for a government agency?   How were you forced to get a covid shot?   No one was forced, except if the employer made it a condition of employment, but many employers that tried that got sued and lost.   I know my neice finally got the shot because she got tired of getting tested every Monday before work, but she could have still refused the show and the FDA could not have fired her for it.   That is a federal government agency.   And that didn't start on Biden's watch, it was his predecessor's watch.

Edited September 11 by Desertrat56

[+Link of Hyrule]

20 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

AND MEN SHOULD NEVER BE THE ONES TO DECIDE THIS!!!!!!   

Maybe not, but if a woman I was with had an abortion without discussing it with me we wouldn't be a couple after that. If she can't talk to me about it, then we aren't worth being a couple!

Edited September 12 by Link of Hyrule

[+Desertrat56]

31 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Maybe not, but if a woman I was with had an abortion without discussing it with me we wouldn't be a couple after that. If she can't talk to me about it, then we aren't worth being a couple!

That's true.   But that has nothing to do with legislation created by men.

[Portre]

A (US) state-by-state breakdown of abortion laws 2 years after Roe was overturned

I'm still searching for a list of those states which have barred voters from voting on abortion. So much for letting the voters decide.

[F3SS]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

It would be idiotic to make abortions after 7 months legal as premature babies survive after 7 months.  It is now common for women carrying twins or triplets to get a c section when the babies are gestated 7 moths as letting them go to term endagers the mother and the babies in many cases.   

AND MEN SHOULD NEVER BE THE ONES TO DECIDE THIS!!!!!!   They have no clue about any of it, just their beliefs,bias, money and comfort, that is what men are concerned with.  So you men can just keep your stupid opinions to yourself whether you are for or against.

6 months is still psychotic but at least you have an answer.

Deal with it. I have an opinion and you can't do anything about it but if you're in a serious relationship and you get pregnant through consensual sex and you don't involve your partner or take his feelings into consideration then you are one selfish, cold hearted you-know-what who isn't worth being with and God help the next sucker who comes your way.

 

6 minutes ago, Portre said:

A (US) state-by-state breakdown of abortion laws 2 years after Roe was overturned

I'm still searching for a list of those states which have barred voters from voting on abortion. So much for letting the voters decide.

Not every law is up for a public vote. I'm not sure what makes the ones that are the ones that are.

[psyche101]

2 hours ago, F3SS said:

Fantastic. So the question remains... which month is it for you?

You just don't listen do you.

It was a trump failure. Anyone with a set of ears would have heard Kamala say she wants to “reinstate the protections of Roe,” which prohibited states from banning abortions before fetal viability, and that is generally considered around 20 weeks.

So around the twenty week mark for those incapable of extrapolating the bleeding obvious out of a straightforward statement.

Aborting at nine months? Absolute stupid thing to say. Go right ahead and back up Kamala endorsing such a ridiculous proposal. Or it actually happening.

You know what has happened and can be verified? Minors and young as ten refused abortion after being impregnated through rape, in one case I know of, a family member. Trump valid that law is a beautiful thing. I don't agree 

Abortion is a basic human right. America cannot consider itself a free country when it refuses basic human rights.

Edited September 12 by psyche101

[+Link of Hyrule]

2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

That's true.   But that has nothing to do with legislation created by men.

I doubt you'll be able to get any legislation passed WITHOUT men, but good luck.

Isn't it up to the States to decide what the legislation is now, and the lawmakers are held accountable by the people in their State? This is how the law should be. I'm pro choice, so I'm not trying to deny anyone abortion rights by saying this, my comments were simply that on a practical level it isn't just about women. 

 

[the13bats]

4 hours ago, Michelle said:

So that's why he left it up to the states. duh 🤪

Biden already forced me to get a shot I didn't want.

What shot did biden make you get!?

[the13bats]

3 hours ago, F3SS said:

6 months is still psychotic but at least you have an answer.

Deal with it. I have an opinion and you can't do anything about it but if you're in a serious relationship and you get pregnant through consensual sex and you don't involve your partner or take his feelings into consideration then you are one selfish, cold hearted you-know-what who isn't worth being with and God help the next sucker who comes your way.

 

Not every law is up for a public vote. I'm not sure what makes the ones that are the ones that are.

And some guy who thinks his girl is his property and has to subserviant answer to him is a narcissistic control freak and if he dumps the girl for it she way better off.

Rick james was seeing linda blaire and got her preg he didnt know too busy partying drugging up and cheating she got an abortion for reasons like the coke abuse and cheating, Rick was deeply hurt she didn't tell him until later but he didnt dump her or stop loving her.

Some guys are just more decent than others.

[psyche101]

13-year-old rape victim has baby amid confusion over state's abortion ban

How a 10-Year-Old Rape Victim Who Traveled for an Abortion Became Part of a Political Firestorm

And that oh so sacred constitution....

Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade, Undoing Constitutional Right to Abortion

 

 

[+Sherapy]

12 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

It would be idiotic to make abortions after 7 months legal as premature babies survive after 7 months.  It is now common for women carrying twins or triplets to get a c section when the babies are gestated 7 moths as letting them go to term endagers the mother and the babies in many cases.   

AND MEN SHOULD NEVER BE THE ONES TO DECIDE THIS!!!!!!   They have no clue about any of it, just their beliefs,bias, money and comfort, that is what men are concerned with.  So you men can just keep your stupid opinions to yourself whether you are for or against.

[+Desertrat56]

13 hours ago, F3SS said:

I have an opinion and you can't do anything about it but if you're in a serious relationship and you get pregnant through consensual sex and you don't involve your partner or take his feelings into consideration then you are one selfish, cold hearted you-know-what who isn't worth being with and God help the next sucker who comes your way.

I have said nothing about personal relations, I am talking about law makers.   Women should have a caucus and determine what laws on abortion are reasonable.   Putting women in jail for having an abortion is ludicrous, especially since our jails are over full because of our drug laws.   It is none of my business who another woman talks to about getting an abortion.  It does seem rude if a woman does that without talking to the father of the child, BUT sometimes it is more dangerous to do that, or it causes life time of trauma.   Not all men need to know about what their one night stands or temporary girlfriends do with thier bodies to protect themselves.  And yes, sometimes that is what an abortion is about, but you are so self centered you have no clue what some women are put through by some men.  

If you are in a stable relationship there is no reason your other would not talk to you about it.   If she chooses not to, then your relationship isn't what you thought anyway.  And I know of circumstances where a husband forced his wife to get an abortion for financial reasons, back when abortions were illegal.   The shoe is often on the other foot.  You don't know what anyone else is going through so you can't judge anyone else's relationship or make a blanket statement about people you know nothing about.   Tell  your girlfriend what you have said here and leave it at that because you are not responsible for any one else or their decisions.

Edited September 12 by Desertrat56

[+Desertrat56]

@F3SS  I forgot to mention.  My sister was due to be born in early March, but she was born in mid December.   She survived and leads a healthy, normal life, so my estimate of 7 months is actually wrong, babies born at 6 1/2 months term survive too.   Maybe abortions should be illegal after 6 months (24 weeks).   But it is not up to  us decide these things unfortunately.   You need to check your emotions and triggers and figure out why this topic has you triggered.  I know why it has me triggered.