Avi Loeb - TED Talks -Search for Proof of Alien Life

[MrAnderson]

A very interesting and entertaining talk by Dr Avi Loeb who is trying to bring the UFO Phenomenon closer to academia and trying to argue that we need to look harder if we want to find signs of life elsewhere in the universe. My favourite part is when he says that

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence and extraordinary evidence needs extraordinary funding!

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence and extraordinary evidence needs extraordinary funding!

😁 one needs extraordinary evidence first--- when real extraordinary evidence is available i'm sure it will get tons of funding.

I don't need a Dr to tell me the bleeding obvious  

[MrAnderson]

Just now, Dejarma said:

😁 one needs extraordinary evidence first--- when real extraordinary evidence is available i'm sure it will get tons of funding.

I don't need a Dr to tell me the bleeding obvious  

You don't think of this very well. Try to watch his video. Without extraordinary funding or good fudging let's say you may not be able to collect/find the evidence you want. He makes it clear in his talks. You need money for research and money to produce/find the evidence needed. He gave an example of how much money invested at CERN to find new particles such as the Higgs Boson. 

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

You don't think of this very well. Try to watch his video. Without extraordinary funding or good fudging let's say you may not be able to collect/find the evidence you want. He makes it clear in his talks. You need money for research and money to produce/find the evidence needed. He gave an example of how much money invested at CERN to find new particles such as the Higgs Boson. 

the only evidence there is with regards to ufos is 'stories'.

Science can not & will not waste time effort & money studying a story

why do you think they haven't done it yet?

[MrAnderson]

9 hours ago, Dejarma said:

the only evidence there is with regards to ufos is 'stories'.

Science can not & will not waste time effort & money studying a story

why do you think they haven't done it yet?

You didn't watch the video as it seems and you can't understand or don't want to understand what Avi Loeb says.

Let me put it to you again.

Extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary funding and plenty of search to find what you are trying to find. He gave some examples and one was the amount of money spend to find the Higgs Boson at CERN.

It's very clear what he says.

[MrAnderson]

@Earl.Of.Trumps and @Unusual Tournament you may find this very interesting.

[MrAnderson]

@josellama2000 you may find this thread interesting.

[Hazzard]

@MrAnderson I dont think they find your thread interesting. 

[MrAnderson]

2 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

@MrAnderson I dont think they find your thread interesting. 

Doesn't matter. There is no compulsion in participsting anyway.

[Green Devil]

 

[Trelane]

Such utter rubbish. 

[Hazzard]

7 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Such utter rubbish. 

I havent watched it yet... Can you give me the short version?

[Trelane]

5 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

I havent watched it yet... Can you give me the short version?

Just more of Loeb's comically speculative conjecture. Still trying to leverage his credentials as point of authority. Even though it's a subject outside of his scope and discipline in academia.

[MrAnderson]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

Such utter rubbish. 

 

1 hour ago, Hazzard said:

I havent watched it yet... Can you give me the short version?

Better to watch it first and then you can come to any conclusions. But it's difficult to understand the mind of a scientist when you are not scientists and you have very little knowledge and understanding of astronomy and astrophysics.

I am particularly interested on what he said about extraordinary evidence which requires extraordinary funding and he gave an example. He has given similar examples before on a number of occasions.

[Dejarma]

3 hours ago, Trelane said:

Such utter rubbish. 

yep... yet another book, more beer money  I think i'm in the wrong trade

[Trelane]

26 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yep... yet another book, more beer money  I think i'm in the wrong trade

I'm seriously considering concocting a UFO tale of my own so I can start my podcast interviews and convention circuit for when I retire. It's easy money.

Maybe I'll have to crank out a book but I'll use AI for that.

[Hazzard]

3 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

 But it's difficult to understand the mind of a scientist when you are not scientists and you have very little knowledge and understanding of astronomy and astrophysics.

Then may I suggest that you dont click on it.

[Golden Duck]

3 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

 

Better to watch it first and then you can come to any conclusions. But it's difficult to understand the mind of a scientist when you are not scientists and you have very little knowledge and understanding of astronomy and astrophysics.

I am particularly interested on what he said about extraordinary evidence which requires extraordinary funding and he gave an example. He has given similar examples before on a number of occasions.

Every analogy limps.  That's why it's a fallacy.  And Loeb's example is no different. 

But anyone au fait with the science and physics would know this.

[Dejarma]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

I'm seriously considering concocting a UFO tale of my own so I can start my podcast interviews and convention circuit for when I retire. It's easy money.

Maybe I'll have to crank out a book but I'll use AI for that.

I used to clean the toilets at the highly classified NSA base in north Yorkshire England.

I could concoct a great tale... I can prove i worked there because i smuggled out toilet paper with the NSA logo on each sheet 😉

[Hazzard]

2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

But anyone au fait with the science and physics would know this.

It would be like if I joined an astronaut forum pretending to be one.

How long do you think it would take them to start laughing at my dumb äss!

ZetAndersson 🤣

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

I used to clean the toilets at the highly classified NSA base in north Yorkshire England.

I could concoct a great tale... I can prove i worked there because i smuggled out toilet paper with the NSA logo on each sheet 😉

Brilliant idea!!!

[MrAnderson]

3 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Every analogy limps.  That's why it's a fallacy.  And Loeb's example is no different. 

But anyone au fait with the science and physics would know this.

Where is the fallacy? Did you see his reasoning? There is nobody who has called his reasoning as flawed and this analogy as a fallacy. It can only come from you and a few others here.

[MrAnderson]

4 hours ago, Trelane said:

I'm seriously considering concocting a UFO tale of my own so I can start my podcast interviews and convention circuit for when I retire. It's easy money.

Maybe I'll have to crank out a book but I'll use AI for that.

The difference is that your tale won't be true and it would of be a fabrication. But not all tales and incidents are fabrications and lies. Many of them are not and that's where you got this wrong.

[MrAnderson]

3 hours ago, Hazzard said:

It would be like if I joined an astronaut forum pretending to be one.

How long do you think it would take them to start laughing at my dumb äss!

ZetAndersson 🤣

Having watched how you guys try to argue about matter you don't know either in physics or in mathematics it makes me smile a lot. Trying to take away degrees from length for example or challenge the Drake equation. You can have a look at the Navier-Stokes equation as another task for later on.

[Golden Duck]

12 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

Where is the fallacy? Did you see his reasoning? There is nobody who has called his reasoning as flawed and this analogy as a fallacy. It can only come from you and a few others here.

I already told you.  Formally, it is known as The False Analogy. 

"All analogies limp" is an idiom that has stood the test of time, an is apt on this occasion too.

To support your cult leader perhaps you could produce papers that predict ET that rise to the standard of the 1964 PRL symmetry breaking papers.