Israel offers Sinwar safe passage out of Gaza in exchange for hostages

[Claira]

Israel’s chief negotiator for hostages and missing persons, Gal Hirsch, proposed offering Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar safe passage out of Gaza in exchange for the 101 hostages in the terror group's captivity, a Tuesday Bloomberg interview revealed.

According to the report, the proposal to allow Sinwar's escape from Gaza has been on the table for two days, yet it is unclear what Hamas's response has been and whether they would accept it.

The offer was made with the intent of developing new solutions for a deal as ongoing negotiations "look more and more dim," Hirsch explained.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-819604

[Antigonos]

31 minutes ago, Claira said:

Israel’s chief negotiator for hostages and missing persons, Gal Hirsch, proposed offering Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar safe passage out of Gaza in exchange for the 101 hostages in the terror group's captivity, a Tuesday Bloomberg interview revealed.

According to the report, the proposal to allow Sinwar's escape from Gaza has been on the table for two days, yet it is unclear what Hamas's response has been and whether they would accept it.

The offer was made with the intent of developing new solutions for a deal as ongoing negotiations "look more and more dim," Hirsch explained.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-819604

What’s your opinion on this, Claira?

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Claira said:

The offer was made with the intent of developing new solutions for a deal as ongoing negotiations "look more and more dim," Hirsch explained.

He'll accept the concession when he's ready to make a deal.  Then again, he may be wise enough to realize that just being allowed to leave Gaza, isn't the same thing as "saving his life".  

[Claira]

4 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

What’s your opinion on this, Claira?

I'm all for it, provided all of the hostages are released and that our efforts toward the demilitarization of Gaza continue.

We've floated the idea of exile for Hamas leaders for a while now, but it's unlikely they will accept such a proposal given our long and rather colourful history of targeting operatives abroad. Sinwar and other Hamas leaders no doubt know that by 'safe passage' we mean that we'll get them later rather than sooner — and we will. We'll just have to make it look like they all fell out of a window.

[diddyman68]

18 minutes ago, Claira said:

I'm all for it, provided all of the hostages are released and that our efforts toward the demilitarization of Gaza continue.

We've floated the idea of exile for Hamas leaders for a while now, but it's unlikely they will accept such a proposal given our long and rather colourful history of targeting operatives abroad. Sinwar and other Hamas leaders no doubt know that by 'safe passage' we mean that we'll get them later rather than sooner — and we will. We'll just have to make it look like they all fell out of a window.

Gotta love mossad,so good at making murder look like suicide.or the way they got all the Munich Olympics terrorists when they thought they were safe.

[Claira]

11 minutes ago, and-then said:

He'll accept the concession when he's ready to make a deal.  Then again, he may be wise enough to realize that just being allowed to leave Gaza, isn't the same thing as "saving his life".  

If Sinwar were to accept the safe passage offer, he would continue to tremble in an unflattering burka long after he was out of Gaza. If there's anyone Israel wants, it's him — and he knows it.

[Claira]

1 minute ago, diddyman68 said:

Gotta love mossad,so good at making murder look like suicide.or the way they got all the Munich Olympics terrorists when they thought they were safe.

Operation Wrath of God was indeed incredible, and those involved in the murder and kidnapping of Israelis on October 7 have been promised a similar fate, no matter how long it takes.

[ShibuManDog]

Offer Sinwar whatever he thinks he needs to stay alive so the hostages can go back home. They have been held way too long. But we all know that Sinwar is a dead man walking along with his terror buddies. Israel never forgets and he will be looking over his shoulder the rest of his short existence on earth. 

 

[Claira]

For anyone interested, a short video highlighting four Mossad missions and the creative strategies they used to knock off their targets.

 

[Antigonos]

On 9/15/2024 at 6:48 PM, Claira said:

Operation Wrath of God was indeed incredible

That was fantastic. I’ve been a longtime admirer of Israeli secret forces ever since reading about the Nazi hunters of the previous century as a teenager in the 1980s.

[Claira]

13 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

That was fantastic. I’ve been a longtime admirer of Israeli secret forces ever since reading about the Nazi hunters of the previous century as a teenager in the 1980s.

I'm a huge admirer as well. Their methods are brilliantly creative and highly effective. I don't know if you've had a chance to watch the video I posted, but the poisoned toothpaste was sheer genius.

[+Shooter McGavin]

Wasn't a similar deal made with a high profile terrorist and Israel ended up offing him, while he thought he was safe, anyways? I can't imagine Sinwar accepting it. He'd probably take his chances of fighting until he's killed.

[Claira]

26 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Wasn't a similar deal made with a high profile terrorist and Israel ended up offing him, while he thought he was safe, anyways? I can't imagine Sinwar accepting it. He'd probably take his chances of fighting until he's killed.

We allowed Yasser Arafat safe passage out of Beirut along with 14,000 PLO fighters in 1982 following the First Lebanon War. They were transported to Tunisia, where Arafat established his new headquarters. Arafat retained control of the Palestinian cause from abroad before returning to the West Bank and Gaza after signing the 1993 Oslo Accords.

Arafat died in a French military hospital in 2004. There was much debate over the cause of his death. Some accused Israel of having poisoned him (an accusation Israel vehemently denied) while others believed he was poisoned by political rivals. There's still no consensus over the cause of his death, despite numerous investigations.

As for SInwar, I agree that he will not follow Arafat's lead. Whilst it would be in the best interests of both Israelis and Palestinians if he did, Sinwar is focused on Hamas' survival in Gaza, as much as he is on his own.

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Wasn't a similar deal made with a high profile terrorist and Israel ended up offing him, while he thought he was safe, anyways? I can't imagine Sinwar accepting it. He'd probably take his chances of fighting until he's killed.

I imagine it gets down to how long he's willing to wait underground for the inevitable bomb to find him or have one of his minions sell him out for big $ and a ticket out of Gaza.  In that situation, he might talk himself into rolling the dice and trying to stay a step ahead of the Ferryman...

[Claira]

Secret single-stage deal could see all hostages released, Sinwar exiled from Gaza

Despite the hostage and ceasefire deal seemingly grinding to a halt due to disagreements between the parties, which the mediators seemingly cannot resolve, a secret alternative plan was being developed that could see all the hostages released and Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar in exile, Israel media reported on Thursday morning.

The new suggested proposal is for a single, comprehensive deal where all hostages, whether alive or dead, are returned to Israel at once, terrorists are released from Israeli prisons, and the mediators commit to disarming Gaza and moving Hamas leaders to a third country.

In exchange, Israel would agree to withdraw from Gaza, with the mediators setting up a multinational force to oversee the agreement’s implementation, including disarming Gaza (e.g., destroying Hamas’s rocket stockpiles and tunnels).

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and key terrorists would have the option to leave Gaza for a third country, and many of the terrorists released from Israeli prisons would be sent to third countries and not allowed to return to the Gaza Strip or West Bank.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-820826

[Claira]

And just when I though I could not hate Hamas anymore than I already do...

The November truce collapsed because Hamas falsely claimed the women who were set for release were dead. So instead of the 10 living hostages it was supposed, Hamas offered to return seven bodies and three living captives (two men, one woman). Our security forces knew the women were still alive but were concerned Hamas might kill them if we accepted the changed terms.

Hamas also insisted on listing some of the women it was holding hostage as soldiers. The women included, Mia Shem (released last November), Romi Gonen (still held hostage), and Carmel Gat (one of the six hostages murdered by Hamas last month.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report-accuses-netanyahu-of-repeatedly-torpedoing-hostage-deal-with-hamas/

[Claira]

Israel investigating unlikely possibility that Hamas chief Sinwar has been killed in Gaza

Israel is investigating the possibility, though highly unlikely, that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar is dead, following up on military intelligence, according to Israeli journalist Ben Caspit.

The Walla news site notes that the Shin Bet has rejected the report and believes that Sinwar is alive.

The intelligence being investigated holds that Sinwar was killed during IDF operations in Gaza.

Caspit quotes a source close to the matter as saying, “There have also been times in the past when he disappeared and we thought he was dead, but then he reappeared.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-israel-investigating-unlikely-possibility-that-hamas-chief-sinwar-has-been-killed-in-gaza/

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-821285

[Claira]

Unnamed officials believe recent messages attributed to Sinwar were written by someone else

Unnamed intelligence officials tell Army Radio they believe that recent messages attributed to Hamas chief Yahya Sinwar were written by someone other than the terror leader.

In recent weeks Sinwar was said to have sent congratulatory messages to Algeria’s incumbent President Abdelmadjid Tebboune after he was declared the winner of an election, and to the Houthis after a missile attack on Israel.

The Army Radio report says that some believe that Sinwar did not write the messages and that they were instead written by another official in Sinwar’s name.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-unnamed-officials-believe-recent-messages-attributed-to-sinwar-were-written-by-someone-else/

 

[Claira]

There are now reports that the IDF recently brought back several bodies from Gaza tor genetic testing to see if their DNA matched that of Sinwar. The results all came back negative.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-821359