ABC Mod "held Trump’s feet to the fire"

[F3SS]

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With co-moderator David Muir, Davis had studied hours of campaign rallies and interviews to prepare for the much-anticipated event at Philadelphia’s National Constitution Center, and were ready to counter the candidates’ most egregious statements.

Davis, wearing pink glasses while speaking to The Times over breakfast at the Ritz Carlton in Philadelphia, said the decision to attempt to correct the candidates was in response to the June 27 CNN debate between Trump and President Biden, whose poor performance led to his exit from the race.

“People were concerned that statements were allowed to just hang and not [be] disputed by the candidate Biden, at the time, or the moderators,” Davis said.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2024-09-11/linsey-davis-abc-news-harris-trump-debate

 

Well there you go...

Edited September 16 by Saru
Changed title to reflect source article

[Edumakated]

10 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Well there you go...

They will constantly "fact check" any Republican statement but make no attempts whatsoever to correct Democrat falsehoods and talking points.  The bias of the moderators is pretty glaring.

[Michelle]

I can't believe that came right out and admitted it.

[+Shooter McGavin]

[Edumakated]

2 minutes ago, Michelle said:

I can't believe that came right out and admitted it.

Give them enough time, they often will slip up and admit it. 

[Michelle]

4 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

Give them enough time, they often will slip up and admit it. 

That's what is so strange. It wasn't a slip it was more like a confession.

[Edumakated]

4 minutes ago, Michelle said:

That's what is so strange. It wasn't a slip it was more like a confession.

yeah... the confess to what we already know is going on.  However, they don't think they are necessarily doing anything wrong.

[the13bats]

32 minutes ago, Edumakated said:

They will constantly "fact check" any Republican statement but make no attempts whatsoever to correct Democrat falsehoods and talking points.  The bias of the moderators is pretty glaring.

The simple fact is trump aka convicted felon man pretty much cant open his fly trap without lies spewing out its a well known trump go to anyone who denies it is intentionally lying, very ignorant,  delusional or all 3.

So if one looks up the harris crushes trump debate lie count both sides the mods cant be blamed because big t lied a zillion times more.

So sure most rational logical people are biased against habitual liars. Also in another thread vance admits to lying if it hurts people of color and causes hate.

[Occupational Hubris]

Guys! Did you see the news! The MODERATOR admitted to MODERATING the debate!

 

the trumpers are getting desperate 

[+Link of Hyrule]

If they had fact checked both parties, this wouldn't be an issue. But they only fact checked one side, and that gives the false impression that one side is more honest than the other, which is just not true. 

[psyche101]

2 hours ago, F3SS said:

Well there you go...

Where did they admit to a stacking the deck? 

She said she knew abortion was going to be a key issue and corrected trump on a wildly incorrect claim. Actually, anyone with a brain that works knew he was outright lying. 

How is that stacking the deck? 

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, Link of Hyrule said:

If they had fact checked both parties, this wouldn't be an issue. But they only fact checked one side, and that gives the false impression that one side is more honest than the other, which is just not true. 

 

Oh yes post birth abortions and pet dinners are truth aren't they .......... 

False impression my backside. Equal? Who the hell are you trying to fool? 

Seriously man. What a skewed interpretation.

[Mr.UFO]

Both candidates must be fact checked. If they aren't, that's the definition of rigged. The fact that Trump tells an incredible amount of lies is beside the point. That's like saying NFL referees should only call personnel fouls against the team that's leading the league in personnel fouls, and all their opponents should be able to do whatever they want.

[+Link of Hyrule]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

 

Oh yes post birth abortions and pet dinners are truth aren't they .......... 

False impression my backside. Equal? Who the hell are you trying to fool? 

Seriously man. What a skewed interpretation.

Where are the Harris fact checks? Are you seriously claiming Harris was truthful about everything she said? 

[the13bats]

10 minutes ago, Mr.UFO said:

Both candidates must be fact checked. If they aren't, that's the definition of rigged. The fact that Trump tells an incredible amount of lies is beside the point. That's like saying NFL referees should only call personnel fouls against the team that's leading the league in personnel fouls, and all their opponents should be able to do whatever they want.

The debate was giving the convicted felon special treatment, harris herself suggested people go to trump rallies she was trying to help promote him saying people at his rallies were leaving early out of bordom and exhausted from his incoherent babbling.

The kind host tried to help trump not make a complete and total idiot ignoramus of himself going on some well debunked racist rant about migrants eating pets but trump shot down the host

The canidate who lies the most will in turn get more fact checked which most certainly did happen...

trump won most lies at debate

Quod erat demonstrandum.

 

 

[psyche101]

53 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Where are the Harris fact checks? Are you seriously claiming Harris was truthful about everything she said? 

I'm saying nobody with a working brain could see it as dishonest. The so called fact checks were simply correcting blatant lies like post birth abortions and eating pets. It would be great to see both sides fact checked on n every point and half the time to accommodate accuracy, but crazy blatant lies that are just stupid are low hanging fruit. 

Trump's over the top silliness created that situation. It's what happens with people like Loomer and Vance as your advisory team. 

Republicans should be revolting against the party. Vance, Loomer, MTG, it's a freaking looney bin. Trump's a ringleader for them all. 

 

Also, F3ss s thread title seems wildly inaccurate. I'm just not sure how he got that from the article.

Edited September 16 by psyche101

[Saru]

17 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Also, F3ss s thread title seems wildly inaccurate. I'm just not sure how he got that from the article.

I've updated the title to reflect the title of the source article.

[Michelle]

Harris lies that should have been fact checked during the debate.

• Harris repeated the claim that former President Donald Trump “intends to cut Social Security and Medicare,” even though he did not attempt to cut either retirement program when he was president, and he has said that he will not cut them in a second term.

• She referred to Project 2025 — a conservative plan for deeply cutting and overhauling the federal government — as Trump’s “extreme Project 2025 agenda.” Trump has disavowed the project, which he described as “seriously extreme.”

• The vice president repeated one of her favorite talking points when she claimed “Donald Trump openly vowed, if reelected, that he will be a dictator on Day 1.” He said he was joking when he said he wouldn’t be a dictator “except for Day 1.”
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• FactChecking Vice President Kamala Harris - FactCheck.org

[Robotic Jew]

12 hours ago, Edumakated said:

They will constantly "fact check" any Republican statement but make no attempts whatsoever to correct Democrat falsehoods and talking points.  The bias of the moderators is pretty glaring.

If one side is constantly blatantly lying then what else should they do?

[Tatetopa]

8 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Where are the Harris fact checks? Are you seriously claiming Harris was truthful about everything she said? 

Are you seriously claiming Trump only lied twice?

[Michelle]

19 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Harris lies that should have been fact checked during the debate.

• Harris repeated the claim that former President Donald Trump “intends to cut Social Security and Medicare,” even though he did not attempt to cut either retirement program when he was president, and he has said that he will not cut them in a second term.

• She referred to Project 2025 — a conservative plan for deeply cutting and overhauling the federal government — as Trump’s “extreme Project 2025 agenda.” Trump has disavowed the project, which he described as “seriously extreme.”

• The vice president repeated one of her favorite talking points when she claimed “Donald Trump openly vowed, if reelected, that he will be a dictator on Day 1.” He said he was joking when he said he wouldn’t be a dictator “except for Day 1.”
• continue for many more...
•  
• FactChecking Vice President Kamala Harris - FactCheck.org

I quoted this for the people who might not have seen it.

 

4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Are you seriously claiming Trump only lied twice?

Are you claiming she didn't lie at all?

[Wakka25]

11 hours ago, the13bats said:

The simple fact is trump aka convicted felon man pretty much cant open his fly trap without lies spewing out its a well known trump go to anyone who denies it is intentionally lying, very ignorant,  delusional or all 3.

So if one looks up the harris crushes trump debate lie count both sides the mods cant be blamed because big t lied a zillion times more.

So sure most rational logical people are biased against habitual liars. Also in another thread vance admits to lying if it hurts people of color and causes hate.

Imagine thinking Kamala somehow won this debate. The fact was Harris was so rattled she couldn't help but repeatedly interrupt despite having a muted rule: 

 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: That's not true. [mouthed, not audible]

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: In Minnesota, she went out -- wait a minute. I'm talking now. If you don't mind. Please. Does that sound familiar?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Don't lie. [lie is audible]

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women. But he would have been sitting in Moscow

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: (inaudible)

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Quiet, please. 
 

    

[Michelle]

Don't like the source for the fact check? Here is another.

Fact-checking Kamala Harris and Donald Trump's 1st presidential debate - ABC News (go.com)

[Tatetopa]

Just now, Michelle said:

I quoted this for the people who might not have seen it.

 

Are you claiming she didn't lie at all?

Nope, she made false statements and exaggerations.  So did Trump, there were many not challenged either.  His economy, job production and energy production were not record best ever.  He didn't get called on any of that.  He was unchallenged on his record. The moderators did not point out that a tariff is not a tax that foreign countries pay and Trump doesn't seem to know that basic economic fact.

Even the moderators said they were in a quandary about fact checking. Do you do none at all, or every single statement, or something in between?  

6 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Don't like the source for the fact check? Here is another.

Fact-checking Kamala Harris and Donald Trump's 1st presidential debate - ABC News (go.com)

Thanks.  I just looked at that.   The source is ABC. They may tend to support their moderators to some degree.

Harris fact checks

True 3

Mostly True 1

True Needs Context 5

Partly True 1

False 3

Trump Fact Checks

True 0?  No fact check in the article  validated a Trump statement.

Mostly True 1

True Needs Context 1

Partly True 1

Mostly False  2

False 7

 

[Michelle]

19 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Even the moderators said they were in a quandary about fact checking. Do you do none at all, or every single statement, or something in between?

The most blatant Harris lies aren't even listed. The "fine people on both sides" and the "bloodbath" have widely been debunked and they didn't even call her out on those.

Here is another fact check.

21 False Claims & Hoaxes by Kamala Harris that ABC's Debate Moderators Did Not Fact Check (breitbart.com)

Edited September 16 by Michelle