Ove Posted September 16 #1 Share Posted September 16 (edited) Grain was was dried on the big floor and then transferred to the granary for storage. Granary Edited September 16 by Ove 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ove Posted September 16 Author #2 Share Posted September 16 (edited) Karhan tepe is a twelve thousand year old grain drying and store facility Drying reduces grain moisture content to a safe level for storage. It is the most critical operation after harvesting a crop. The purpose of the angry animal depictions. Was to scare away birds, mice and so on ? Seems that they were farmers. Edited September 16 by Ove 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted September 16 #3 Share Posted September 16 Has there been any left over grain debris discovered at the site as described? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted September 16 #4 Share Posted September 16 What evidence is this based on? Seems like a bad place for it, given that there wasn't much agriculture at the time. Hauling a few bushels of whatever they could harvest all the way out there to dry and thresh seems like a waste when they could do it in their own village. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted September 17 #5 Share Posted September 17 9 hours ago, Trelane said: Has there been any left over grain debris discovered at the site as described? The idea this particular facility was used as a granary storage is gobbledygook. Regardless, they have found at this site in general and Gobekli Tepe, particularly the latter, an abundance of grinding stones, grinding bowls, grinding slabs pestles, mortars etc. Cereal processing at Early Neolithic Gobekli Tepe, southeastern Turkey: This integrated scientific archaeological approach has for the first time produced a basis for assessing the role of cereals at Go¨bekli Tepe. The massive presence of grinding equipment and standardization in the production and use of handstones hint at large-scale cereal processing in layer II. This is supported by use-wear traces and the presence of phytoliths in samples from their surfaces. More: Investigating the function of Pre-Pottery Neolithic stone troughs from Gobekli Tepe – An integrated approach 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #6 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 3 hours ago, Thanos5150 said: The idea this particular facility was used as a granary storage is gobbledygook. Regardless, they have found at this site in general and Gobekli Tepe, particularly the latter, an abundance of grinding stones, grinding bowls, grinding slabs pestles, mortars etc. Cereal processing at Early Neolithic Gobekli Tepe, southeastern Turkey: This integrated scientific archaeological approach has for the first time produced a basis for assessing the role of cereals at Go¨bekli Tepe. The massive presence of grinding equipment and standardization in the production and use of handstones hint at large-scale cereal processing in layer II. This is supported by use-wear traces and the presence of phytoliths in samples from their surfaces. More: Investigating the function of Pre-Pottery Neolithic stone troughs from Gobekli Tepe – An integrated approach I personally think this is what GT was used for… an early construction leading to the mythology of the grain Gods. As for Karahan Tepe, could be too…but the archaeology shown there would be super early and does not contend as much with this function…however, gobbledygook….maybe not…the Younger Dryas might have wiped a lot from our knowledge at the time…but it would certainly change our thoughts on Neolithic farming practices if a site such as KT was the same. Edited September 17 by The Puzzler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ove Posted September 17 Author #7 Share Posted September 17 So not only a grain drying and store facility, but also a huge food processing facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #8 Share Posted September 17 1 minute ago, Ove said: So not only a grain drying and store facility, but also a huge food processing facility. I don’t think it’s out of the realm…just out of our comprehension of the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #9 Share Posted September 17 21 hours ago, Ove said: Karhan tepe is a twelve thousand year old grain drying and store facility Drying reduces grain moisture content to a safe level for storage. It is the most critical operation after harvesting a crop. The purpose of the angry animal depictions. Was to scare away birds, mice and so on ? Seems that they were farmers. Oh yeah…scare away birds…that’s out there…but like scarecrows, could be legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #10 Share Posted September 17 I agree Ove, it’s a very logical conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 17 #11 Share Posted September 17 Why dig a pit to do the drying? Logically it’s out of the wind, but Wouldn’t it flood when it rained? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #12 Share Posted September 17 3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Why dig a pit to do the drying? Logically it’s out of the wind, but Wouldn’t it flood when it rained? Not if it was originally covered…like they keep bleating on about with GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #13 Share Posted September 17 (edited) It wasn’t a pool or a man’s place, it was a granary. So were all the Tepe structures. Worlds first religion maybe…many mythologies are based in grain growing religion. That we find the “goddess” statue talisman at Catalhoyuk is another plus. It’s all about the grain storage. Just like the Bible story of Joseph in Egypt. People who controlled the grain controlled the world. Inoculated seeds today are a deterrent for the regular man to control the grain. Edited September 17 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 17 #14 Share Posted September 17 11 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: Not if it was originally covered…like they keep bleating on about with GT. Wouldn’t covering it remove the whole point of it as a grain drying spot? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #15 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Wouldn’t covering it remove the whole point of it as a grain drying spot? No, there would have been airflow between the ground structure and the roof. Silos have roofs, just good airing capacities below. The grain terminal at Port Kembla… Edited September 17 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted September 17 #16 Share Posted September 17 7 hours ago, The Puzzler said: I personally think this is what GT was used for… an early construction leading to the mythology of the grain Gods. As for Karahan Tepe, could be too…but the archaeology shown there would be super early and does not contend as much with this function…however, gobbledygook….maybe not…the Younger Dryas might have wiped a lot from our knowledge at the time…but it would certainly change our thoughts on Neolithic farming practices if a site such as KT was the same. If they are processing the cereals there is likely a process for drying them which stands to reason would not involve the Penis Pool as the OP suggests: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: If they are processing the cereals there is likely a process for drying them which stands to reason would not involve the Penis Pool as the OP suggests: Snakes do keep other critters away. I would think the snakes have value in keeping the harvested grain safe, so, could be a silo of sorts. And for the record, I don’t think they are penises…but eroded snake heads. Penis pool or snake silo…. Edited September 17 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #18 Share Posted September 17 15 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: If they are processing the cereals there is likely a process for drying them which stands to reason would not involve the Penis Pool as the OP suggests: I think the OP suggested it was the silo…not the actual drying area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #19 Share Posted September 17 (edited) Snakes don’t eat your grain. I like the idea the harassing animals are there to protect the crops nearby, it aligns with my original thoughts on GT being a granary. Edited September 17 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted September 17 #20 Share Posted September 17 19 minutes ago, The Puzzler said: I think the OP suggested it was the silo…not the actual drying area. Bah. Silo. Drying area. These pools were not for either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted September 17 #21 Share Posted September 17 5 hours ago, The Puzzler said: It’s all about the grain storage. Just like the Bible story of Joseph in Egypt. I thought G1 was the grain storage facility? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #22 Share Posted September 17 2 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: Bah. Silo. Drying area. These pools were not for either. The pool was not the drying area, it was the storage area. What do you think then? It was filled with water and men splashed about with giant penises…? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #23 Share Posted September 17 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said: I thought G1 was the grain storage facility? My understanding is the larger area (big floor) is the drying facility and the penis pool is the storage granary. Edited September 17 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted September 17 #24 Share Posted September 17 I went through every scenario, sky burial, temple etc…then it hit me…this imo is exactly what they are…read more on my assertions here… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted September 17 #25 Share Posted September 17 8 hours ago, The Puzzler said: I personally think this is what GT was used for… an early construction leading to the mythology of the grain Gods. As for Karahan Tepe, could be too…but the archaeology shown there would be super early and does not contend as much with this function…however, gobbledygook….maybe not…the Younger Dryas might have wiped a lot from our knowledge at the time…but it would certainly change our thoughts on Neolithic farming practices if a site such as KT was the same. Puzz did you bin the ideas about it being a dreamcatcher site of sorts? A sort of shamanistic, spiritual center where they would come to perform rituals? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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