UNGA seeks to strip Israel of right to self-defense in Gaza, West Bank

[Claira]

The United Nations General Assembly is expected to vote Tuesday on a resolution that seeks to strip Israel of the right to self-defense in Gaza, the West Bank, and east Jerusalem.

The text, submitted by over 30 countries, is part of an effort by the Palestinian Authority to give teeth to July’s  International Court of Justice advisory opinion that Israel’s occupation of territory over the pre-1967 lines was illegal.

It calls on the IDF, which has military control of the West Bank and Gaza, to fully withdraw from those territories within 12 months as part of an extensive list of 19 demands. This would include the evacuation of all West Bank settlements and outposts. As part of that evacuation, Israel is asked to evacuate, including militarily, all parts of east Jerusalem, including the Old City.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-820556

Well kids, looks like it's long past time to pull the plug on this totally dysfunctional body of losers who enable tyrannies and rogue states to influence polices that impact the lives of millions. The UN, in its present form, not only continues to intensify its bias and venom against Israel, it negatively impacts other countries as well. If this same UN was around in 1944, they would've no doubt accused Winston Churchill of genocide against Nazi Germany — that's how twisted it is.

[Setton]

3 hours ago, Claira said:

The United Nations General Assembly is expected to vote Tuesday on a resolution that seeks to strip Israel of the right to self-defense in Gaza, the West Bank, and east Jerusalem.

The text, submitted by over 30 countries, is part of an effort by the Palestinian Authority to give teeth to July’s  International Court of Justice advisory opinion that Israel’s occupation of territory over the pre-1967 lines was illegal.

It calls on the IDF, which has military control of the West Bank and Gaza, to fully withdraw from those territories within 12 months as part of an extensive list of 19 demands. This would include the evacuation of all West Bank settlements and outposts. As part of that evacuation, Israel is asked to evacuate, including militarily, all parts of east Jerusalem, including the Old City.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-820556

Well kids, looks like it's long past time to pull the plug on this totally dysfunctional body of losers who enable tyrannies and rogue states to influence polices that impact the lives of millions. The UN, in its present form, not only continues to intensify its bias and venom against Israel, it negatively impacts other countries as well. If this same UN was around in 1944, they would've no doubt accused Winston Churchill of genocide against Nazi Germany — that's how twisted it is.

So what's your justification for Israel's occupation of territories it has no right to, in violation of international law?

[Claira]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

So what's your justification for Israel's occupation of territories it has no right to, in violation of international law?

What's there to justify? In just six days we defeated a coalition of Arab armies hell-bent on our destruction and captured new territory that made us much less vulnerable to future attacks. Following the war, we offered to trade much of that land for peace, but the Arabs refused to negotiate. It’s been a pattern of behaviour for years — attack Israel, lose the war, play the victim, rinse and repeat. I don't afford credence to the distortions and double-standards of the UN and ICJ, nor do I care for Palestinian sour grapes, so save your loaded questions for someone who does.

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Setton said:

So what's your justification for Israel's occupation of territories it has no right to, in violation of international law?

Israel has made multiple efforts over 7 decades to reach accommodation with the Palestinian Arabs.  EVERY SINGLE TIME those Arabs have said no.  They've staked out an all-or-nothing position and the world has made it possible for them to remain intransigent, but it's beginning to look like Hamas' adventure on 10/7, changed everything.  There will no longer be any nonsense about "two states" coexisting.  All that rhetoric means is that Israel AGAIN cedes land and then after it is absorbed, the rockets, bombings, shootings, and stabbings begin again.

Those like yourself need to twig to that new reality to save yourself a LOT of frustration.

[Claira]

The UN voted 124-14 to strip Israel of right to self-defense in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The resolution calls on member states not to sell arms or military equipment to Israel that would be used in these locations. The IDF has 12 months to withdraw to the pre-1967 lines. It's important to note that the resolution has declaratory power only but provides international backing to those countries that want to take additional steps against Israel.

No surprise that the UN isolated Israel and made it solely responsible for the conflict. There was no mention of Hamas, nor were any demands made on them to release the hostages. In other words, genocidal attacks by terrorist organizations are fine, defending your country against such attacks, is not.

The resolution, by the way, was sponsored by the “State of Palestine” and 29 other countries, mostly Muslim nations.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-820725

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-general-assembly-demands-israeli-pullout-from-palestinian-areas-within-12-months/

[+and-then]

Hamas/Iran probably understood how the world would react after this war had been underway for awhile.  They expect to win as a result of the inherent hatred against the Jewish state.  They should ask Hezbollah members how that's working out for them - IF they can find a radio or phone they can trust    

 

[Claira]

4 minutes ago, and-then said:

Hamas/Iran probably understood how the world would react after this war had been underway for awhile.  They expect to win as a result of the inherent hatred against the Jewish state.  They should ask Hezbollah members how that's working out for them - IF they can find a radio or phone they can trust   

If Hamas want to talk to Hezbollah, they will need two cans and a very long string to do so.

Emboldened no doubt by their undeserved global support, Hamas has now published a psychological warfare video (on their official Telegram account) containing graphic footage of previous terror attacks on Israel. I'll post it once one of the media outlets picks it up, assuming it's not too graphic.

[+and-then]

6 hours ago, Claira said:

If Hamas want to talk to Hezbollah, they will need two cans and a very long string to do so.

I hope Iran's telecommunication infrastructure has been penetrated, as well.  At a minimum, at least they'll be second guessing everything!

[Setton]

On 9/17/2024 at 10:53 PM, Claira said:

What's there to justify? In just six days we defeated a coalition of Arab armies hell-bent on our destruction and captured new territory that made us much less vulnerable to future attacks. Following the war, we offered to trade much of that land for peace, but the Arabs refused to negotiate. It’s been a pattern of behaviour for years — attack Israel, lose the war, play the victim, rinse and repeat. I don't afford credence to the distortions and double-standards of the UN and ICJ, nor do I care for Palestinian sour grapes, so save your loaded questions for someone who does.

So no justification and you admit it was the seizure of land through force, which is against international law.

*snip*

Edited September 27 by Saru
Removed inflammatory comment

[Claira]

On 9/20/2024 at 9:19 AM, Setton said:

So no justification and you admit it was the seizure of land through force, which is against international law.

What I admitted was the seizure of land through lawful use of force by a state in self-defense, which is not against international law.

[Setton]

On 9/20/2024 at 9:48 PM, Claira said:

What I admitted was the seizure of land through lawful use of force by a state in self-defense, which is not against international law.

The occupation of that land after the war is over, however, is against international law.

As is initiating a war over a shipping dispute but that would be another thread in itself...

[Claira]

12 hours ago, Setton said:

The occupation of that land after the war is over, however, is against international law.

Illegal occupation in international law does not extend to occupation resulting from the lawful use of force by a state in self-defense.

Besides, under international law, occupation occurs when a country takes over the sovereign territory of another country. While routinely referred to as 'Palestinian' land, at no point in history has Jerusalem or the West Bank been under Palestinian Arab sovereignty, nor has the West Bank been part of Jordan, which seized it in 1949 and then ethnically cleansed the entire Jewish population. The lands were 'disputed' territory into which Jews had the right to settle whether under the Mandate for Palestine or because of settlements prior to 1948.

We can dive into the specifics of relevant international laws, but the issue of settlements is a complex one. Both Jews and Palestinians have legitimate claims and those claims are best resolved through negotiation.

12 hours ago, Setton said:

As is initiating a war over a shipping dispute but that would be another thread in itself...

Under international law, a state may use preemptive military force if faced with an imminent threat.

Egypt's closure of the Straits of Tiran, its massive armed deployment along Israel's borders, not to mention its expulsion of UN peacekeepers, made it clear they were readying for an armed attack.

Edited September 21 by Claira
Grammatical correction.

[Claira]

Argentina's President Milei calls out UN's hypocrisy in condemning Israel

"In this same house, we, that purports to defend human rights, we have also included bloody dictatorships in the Human Rights Council, including Cuba and Venezuela without reproach," Milei said.

"In this same house, which purports to defend the rights of women, we've allowed on the CEDAW Committee countries that punish their women just for showing their skin," Milei added.

"And this same house has voted against the State of Israel, which is the only country in the Middle East to defend liberal democracy."

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-821598

[Claira]

Oh no, the UN wants Israel stripped of its membership. But they're right. We don't deserve to be a member of the United Nitwits.

Apparently they're not happy with us for a number of reasons, including our war of genocide against Lebanon. Yup, you read that right. Striking the military installations of a country that has been attacking your citizens every day for nearly a year, is now deemed genocide. Amazing that missiles should now have the same right to life that humans do.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-821926

 

[Saru]

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@Setton and @Claira - it might be best if you placed each other on ignore.

[Claira]

Netanyahu ahead of UNGA speech: We're in a vital war against Iranian axis

Israel’s battle against Iranian proxies helps protect Western countries, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told his Dutch counterpart Dick Schoof, ahead of his speech Friday morning to the United Nations General Assembly.

“Israel's war against Iran's axis of evil is vital not only in ensuring its future but also the future of the West as a whole,” the Prime Minister’s Office said as it described Netanyahu’s message to Schoof.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-822078

[Claira]

Netanyahu Addresses United Nations General Debate, 79th Session
https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-netanyahus-un-speech-enough-is-enough-he-says-of-hezbollah-also-warns-iran/

[Claira]