Mr.UFO Posted September 17 #1 Share Posted September 17 I have always believed that some UFOs are actual extraterrestrial vehicles. But I was skeptical of space aliens abducting people and experimenting on them. That is, until some alleged UFO abductees said they were implanted with strange objects. These implants were removed from the abductees and are said to be made of alloys that don't exist on Earth. The question is if these rare reports are real, or just hoaxes. What do you think? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted September 18 #2 Share Posted September 18 10 minutes ago, Mr.UFO said: These implants were removed from the abductees and are said to be made of alloys that don't exist on Earth. Before we do anything else... Lets take a look at the source where you got this information from. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawken Posted September 18 #3 Share Posted September 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseraul Posted September 18 #4 Share Posted September 18 Have any of those cases been verified? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.UFO Posted September 18 Author #5 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, joseraul said: Have any of those cases been verified? I'm not sure. They could be just wild claims. Of course, paranormal topics are totally saturated with wild claims. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted September 18 #6 Share Posted September 18 A while ago someone was saying how these alloys/materials/isotopes don't exist on Earth, a quick search showed you could purchase them online. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted September 18 #7 Share Posted September 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted September 18 #8 Share Posted September 18 (edited) The UFO phenomenon has as many silly claims and stories as the rest of the candidates on the paranormal phenomenon list. But when it comes to Alien Implants, Im thinking that this one must be among the dumbest of the dumb. Do people really still believe in this nonsense??!! Edited September 18 by Hazzard 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted September 19 #9 Share Posted September 19 11 hours ago, Hazzard said: The UFO phenomenon has as many silly claims and stories as the rest of the candidates on the paranormal phenomenon list. But when it comes to Alien Implants, Im thinking that this one must be among the dumbest of the dumb. Do people really still believe in this nonsense??!! In your opinion. You know the answer so don't try to pretend that people don't have in mind what it could be happening (in their opinion). Just as with the case of cattle mutilations where nobody has ever been arrested for killings these animals anf later on convicted for what they have done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.UFO Posted September 19 Author #10 Share Posted September 19 Some theorize that the implants are put in humans for the same reason humans put electronic tags on sharks -- to keep track and study the abductees. That sounds cool and all, but is also very far-fetched. I love hearing and reading stuff like that, whether I actually believe the stories or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted September 19 #11 Share Posted September 19 On 9/18/2024 at 12:53 AM, Mr.UFO said: The question is if these rare reports are real, or just hoaxes. What do you think? no to the thread topic header 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted September 19 #12 Share Posted September 19 9 minutes ago, Dejarma said: no to the thread topic header Are they real or not? The same question about cattle mutilations. Are they truly happening and who is behind these brutal killings? Has anyone ever been arrested and charged with killing animals or experimenting in animals and probably humans too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted September 19 #13 Share Posted September 19 9 minutes ago, MrAnderson said: Are they real or not? what part of 'no' with regards to what i'm actually replying to do you not understand?!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted September 19 #14 Share Posted September 19 (edited) 20 hours ago, MrAnderson said: Just as with the case of cattle mutilations where nobody has ever been arrested for killings these animals anf later on convicted for what they have done. Wonderful logic - Does that mean that all unsolved crimes was committed by non humans? Edited September 19 by Hazzard 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted September 20 #15 Share Posted September 20 1 hour ago, Hazzard said: Wonderful logic - Does that mean that all unsolved crimes was committed by non humans? You are not making a reasonable argument as unsolved crimes could have a number of causes and not every cause is the same. In this particular case there is nothing that we know of and there is nobody who has ever been arrested and charged or later on convicted for the killing of these animals and whether else is happening (alleged experimentation) and that's a pretty weird situation because it has been happening for decades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted September 20 #16 Share Posted September 20 On 9/17/2024 at 11:22 PM, Mr.UFO said: I'm not sure. They could be just wild claims. Of course, paranormal topics are totally saturated with wild claims. I am too lazy to look up his name and my ocd fails me, the foot doc who died i believe was one of the loudest proponents of alien implants problem always was when actual accredited labs examined objects removed from people zero not one was not easily proven of earthly origins. My aunt put an interesting twist on her tall tale i was 8 maybe 10 when she came to visit my grandmother, aunt sweet had a hard black dot palm of her hand, the lady was 70 maybe 75 yo and told me when she was a little girl that while playing in the garden an angry garden gnome troll creature broke its spear tip off in her hand and it grew over, i was a young credulous child i believed her. Later my grandmother told me it was really a pencil lead from falling on a pencil as a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.UFO Posted September 20 Author #17 Share Posted September 20 (edited) By pure coincidence, the "Why Files?" video series this week is about alien implants (although only partially). I had no idea until a minute ago. 😄 Edited September 20 by Mr.UFO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted September 20 #18 Share Posted September 20 (edited) 10 hours ago, MrAnderson said: In this particular case there is nothing that we know of and there is nobody who has ever been arrested and charged or later on convicted for the killing of these animals and whether else is happening (alleged experimentation) and that's a pretty weird situation because it has been happening for decades. As so many times before... You couldnt be more wrong!! Check this out. This is from the National Center for Biotechnology. Maggots, mutilations and myth: Patterns of postmortem scavenging of the bovine carcass. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1681190/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1681190/?page=6 Absence of blood is explained as: Blood pooling in the lowest points in the body where it will break down into its basic organic components. Blood that is external to the body, or in the area of a wound being consumed by insects or reduced by solar desiccation. Surgical incisions in the skin are explained as: Tears in the skin created when it is stretched by postmortem bloat and/or as dehydration causes the animal's hide to shrink and split, often in linear cuts. Incisions caused by scavengers or predators, possibly exacerbated by the above. The hypothesis that natural phenomena account for most mutilation characteristics has been validated by a number of experiments, including one cited by long-time scientific skeptic Robert T. Carroll, conducted by Washington County (Arkansas) Sheriff's Office. In the experiment, the body of a recently deceased cow was left in a field and observed for 48 hours. During the 48 hours, postmortem bloating was reported to have caused incision-like tears in the cow's skin that matched the "surgical" cuts reported on mutilated cows, while the action of blowflies and maggots reportedly matched the soft tissue damage observed on mutilated cows. As you see, there is no need for some sinister and mysterious cult (or the CIA)... or something paranormal to explain cattle "mutilation". Edited September 20 by Hazzard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted September 20 #19 Share Posted September 20 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Hazzard said: As so many times before... You couldnt be more wrong!! Check this out. This is from the National Center for Biotechnology. Maggots, mutilations and myth: Patterns of postmortem scavenging of the bovine carcass. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1681190/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1681190/?page=6 Absence of blood is explained as: Blood pooling in the lowest points in the body where it will break down into its basic organic components. Blood that is external to the body, or in the area of a wound being consumed by insects or reduced by solar desiccation. Surgical incisions in the skin are explained as: Tears in the skin created when it is stretched by postmortem bloat and/or as dehydration causes the animal's hide to shrink and split, often in linear cuts. Incisions caused by scavengers or predators, possibly exacerbated by the above. The hypothesis that natural phenomena account for most mutilation characteristics has been validated by a number of experiments, including one cited by long-time scientific skeptic Robert T. Carroll, conducted by Washington County (Arkansas) Sheriff's Office. In the experiment, the body of a recently deceased cow was left in a field and observed for 48 hours. During the 48 hours, postmortem bloating was reported to have caused incision-like tears in the cow's skin that matched the "surgical" cuts reported on mutilated cows, while the action of blowflies and maggots reportedly matched the soft tissue damage observed on mutilated cows. As you see, there is no need for some sinister and mysterious cult (or the CIA)... or something paranormal to explain cattle "mutilation". Nothing new and already available online but my question remains as these comes have been unsolved. Has anyone ever been arrested and charged over these crimes? Has anyone ever been convicted over there crimes? As for the articles these are the explanations offered by the authors but is this what has really happened? How do they know?if that was so easy anyone could write a paper like the one you linked and will explain it straight away and solve the problem. But it remains unsolved regardless of the explanations offered. Edited September 20 by MrAnderson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted September 20 #20 Share Posted September 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrAnderson said: Has anyone ever been arrested and charged over these crimes? Has anyone ever been convicted over there crimes? You cant arrest scavengers, flies and worms. Quote As for the articles these are the explanations offered by the authors but is this what has really happened? How do they know?if that was so easy anyone could write a paper like the one you linked and will explain it straight away and solve the problem. But it remains unsolved regardless of the explanations offered. You obviously didnt click, read or understand the links I posted for you!! Its obvious that you wont accept any other explanations than the mysterious and paranormal! You dismiss The National Center for Biotechnology, but you love it when Skyspam post a link to Ancient Aliens!!!?? 😄 You are a credulous fantasy prone blind faith believer... and a lier. There is no ****ing way that you have the education that you claim to have!! Edited September 20 by Hazzard 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted September 21 #21 Share Posted September 21 13 hours ago, Hazzard said: You cant arrest scavengers, flies and worms. You obviously didnt click, read or understand the links I posted for you!! Its obvious that you wont accept any other explanations than the mysterious and paranormal! You dismiss The National Center for Biotechnology, but you love it when Skyspam post a link to Ancient Aliens!!!?? 😄 You are a credulous fantasy prone blind faith believer... and a lier. There is no ****ing way that you have the education that you claim to have!! I have replied somewhere else but it seems you have asked me the same question in two threads? I don't dirniss the authors of this paper. But it's a paper where possible explanations are offered which may not be applicable and valid on these cases. They have offered some explanations and that's not the same as they have proved what happened. Nobody actually has an explanation so far and we as far as they know it wasn't predators and scavengers. Nobody has ever been arrested, charged, and convicted for these killings. As for your last part you would probably say the same thing about a number of scientists if you didn't know they were scientists. Like Kaku and Loeb for example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted September 22 #22 Share Posted September 22 (edited) On 9/21/2024 at 3:30 AM, MrAnderson said: don't dirniss the authors of this paper. But it's a paper where possible explanations are offered which may not be applicable and valid on these cases. They have offered some explanations and that's not the same as they have proved what happened. Actually it kinda is! If you have a problem with their conclusion then please explain to me, why? Why do you feel the need to bring in some mysterious cult, or paranormal phenomenon when their experiment had the exact same result (wounds) as those "alien mutilated" cattle. Edited September 22 by Hazzard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted September 22 #23 Share Posted September 22 4 hours ago, Hazzard said: Actually it kinda is! If you have a problem with their conclusion then please explain to me, why? Why do you feel the need to bring in some mysterious cult, or paranormal phenomenon when their experiment had the exact same result (wounds) as those "alien mutilated" cattle. I don't feel I need to bring in some mysterious cult because I haven't talked about mysterious cults at all. Just because there is a paper you can find doesn't mean the conclusions made correspond to what really happened and given this is a mystery that goes on for decades. Has it been solved? Far from it I would say. Otherwise we would have known by now the names of the people who solved it, in this case the authors of this paper. But that hasn't happenee yet. It seems a conventient conclusion just ax the plastic bags and balloons are when it comes to the UFO phenomenon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsfall Posted Friday at 10:36 PM #24 Share Posted Friday at 10:36 PM Never quite got the reason “WHY”aliens would plant things on humans…..I’m sure someone is going to tell me tho…😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted yesterday at 12:05 AM #25 Share Posted yesterday at 12:05 AM On 10/4/2024 at 10:36 PM, Shadowsfall said: Never quite got the reason “WHY”aliens would plant things on humans…..I’m sure someone is going to tell me tho…😆 If that's true (as we don't know) you can ask a similar question. Why humans plant things on animals or experimenting on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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