Findings of major new study into origins of Covid pandemic published

[UM-Bot]

The international study aimed to get to the bottom of the pandemic and determine precisely where it had started.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/380997/findings-of-major-new-study-into-origins-of-covid-pandemic-published

[Cho Jinn]

I mean, if we can't trust the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, who can we trust?

[Waspie_Dwarf]

8 minutes ago, Cho Jinn said:

I mean, if we can't trust the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, who can we trust?

If you want to know who you can trust you could try actually reading the article. Had you done that you would have read this:

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Now, according to the findings of a major new international study, scientists have concluded that the virus most likely did originate at a wet market in Wuhan, China.

and this:

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lead study author Kristian Andersen from Scripps Research.

and this:

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study co-author Michael Worobey of the University of Arizona

What you would not have read is any mention of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, but why let inconvenient things like facts get in the way?

[Cho Jinn]

1 hour ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

If you want to know who you can trust you could try actually reading the article. Had you done that you would have read this:

and this:

and this:

What you would not have read is any mention of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, but why let inconvenient things like facts get in the way?

If you would have read the article, you would have understood that the study was based on data from the Chinese CDC, which is to what I was referring.

[qxcontinuum]

On 9/20/2024 at 10:09 AM, Waspie_Dwarf said:

If you want to know who you can trust you could try actually reading the article. Had you done that you would have read this:

and this:

and this:

What you would not have read is any mention of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, but why let inconvenient things like facts get in the way?

In fact Kristian Anderson endorsed the idea of a lab leak virus and have sent a letter to Fauci sustaining it, https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/science/covid-lab-leak-fauci-kristian-andersen.html

What an interesting, radical change!

Edited September 22 by qxcontinuum

[josellama2000]

I really belief that epidemics and pandemics are driven by multiple factors, with population density playing a central role in transforming localized diseases into widespread outbreaks. Without high population density, diseases are less likely to reach pandemic levels. While wet markets, such as the one in Wuhan, can serve as sources for zoonotic diseases, they are just one of many possible origins. It is easy to see that pandemics mainly as nature’s way of balancing ecosystems.
In other words, solve the problem of overpopulation, population density, and respect nature, and you may solve or at least reduce future pandemics; we are the problem and we likely deserve nature's response.

Edited September 22 by josellama2000

[Waspie_Dwarf]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:29 PM, Cho Jinn said:

If you would have read the article, you would have understood that the study was based on data from the Chinese CDC, which is to what I was referring.

If you had understood the article then you would have realised that there is no need to believe the Chinese CDC because the data was checked by independent sources,  that's what I was referring to.

[josellama2000]

11 hours ago, josellama2000 said:

I really belief that epidemics and pandemics are driven by multiple factors, with population density playing a central role in transforming localized diseases into widespread outbreaks. Without high population density, diseases are less likely to reach pandemic levels. While wet markets, such as the one in Wuhan, can serve as sources for zoonotic diseases, they are just one of many possible origins. It is easy to see that pandemics mainly as nature’s way of balancing ecosystems.
In other words, solve the problem of overpopulation, population density, and respect nature, and you may solve or at least reduce future pandemics; we are the problem and we likely deserve nature's response.

we are the problem, pandemics are the soft solution, future wars for resources should not be that soft for humanity.

Edited September 22 by josellama2000

[Cho Jinn]

10 hours ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

If you had understood the article then you would have realised that there is no need to believe the Chinese CDC because the data was checked by independent sources,  that's what I was referring to.

This is the actual study

https://andersen-lab.com/files/crits-christoph-cell-2024.pdf

relying, predominantly, on these data

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06043-2

So...1/3 of the early Wuhan cases are near the most septic part of town...that was 4 miles from the lab?  And the animals there were also chock full of various CVs?  No sht!

 

It boggles my mind how fashionably credulous people get on this website.

[Freez1]

It says major new international study. So why is the BS even published here? Where it originated from will always be covered up. With a steady supply of diseased animals the lab will be creating viruses forever. I hope they create one that only wipes out communist.

[+DieChecker]

Never mind. See points already addressed...

Edited September 24 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

On 9/20/2024 at 9:14 AM, UM-Bot said:

The international study aimed to get to the bottom of the pandemic and determine precisely where it had started.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/380997/findings-of-major-new-study-into-origins-of-covid-pandemic-published

The best bit in this was where the racoon dog DNA, and the Covid virus, were found together on one swab.

Really though, i dont think this solves the puzzle. Ultimately there was one, or two, origin sources in the market. That source could have been an animal, or a human. Either could still be zoonotic crossover. But a human could also have been a research escape.

Zoonotic crossover is still probably the best option. But we'll likely never know. Tons, and tons, of evidence was destroyed right quick. And further investigations by China (Im sure they did some) have never been shared since Covid data lockdown in summer 2020.

[MrAnderson]

On 9/20/2024 at 1:54 PM, Cho Jinn said:

I mean, if we can't trust the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, who can we trust?

The Chinese Government I suppose! They are the most trusted from all we know. Who said anything about the Chinese Centre for Disease Control. Does anyone have doubts about on how truthful they are? 

[MrAnderson]

On 9/22/2024 at 10:33 AM, Waspie_Dwarf said:

If you had understood the article then you would have realised that there is no need to believe the Chinese CDC because the data was checked by independent sources,  that's what I was referring to.

We always like independent sources but I still don't know why the Chinese CDC cannot be trusted. By independent sources you probably mean the CDC here in the US or their Australian and Canadian counterparts?

[+OverSword]

On 9/22/2024 at 6:53 AM, josellama2000 said:

we are the problem, pandemics are the soft solution, future wars for resources should not be that soft for humanity.

Please 

[josellama2000]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Please 

Please??? take a moment to postulate any refutation, trying to trow a stone and hide will not bring you anywhere else.
If you did not understand or disagree with what i said or disagree, you are welcome to refute.
 

Edited Tuesday at 09:33 PM by josellama2000

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, josellama2000 said:

Please??? take a moment to explain any refutation, trying to trow a stone and hide will not bring you anywhere else.
If you did not understand or disagree with what i said or disagree, you are welcome to refute.
 

Is the human population of the earth smaller or larger than it was pre-covid?  There you go.  Now just please 🥱

Edited Tuesday at 09:33 PM by OverSword

[josellama2000]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Is the human population of the earth smaller or larger than it was pre-covid?  There you go.  Now just please 🥱

for your information, pandemics are directly correlated to population density and population migration, as i clearly explained. Otherwise, they will be only local diseases.
Therefore, your attempt to refuse by using the population difference is not relevant, unless you missed to mention more details about your assumption.

Edited Tuesday at 09:39 PM by josellama2000

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, josellama2000 said:

for your information, pandemics are directly correlated to population density and population migration, as i clearly explained. Otherwise, they will be only local diseases.
Therefore, your attempt to refuse by using the population difference is not relevant, unless you missed to mention more details about your assumption.

Pandemics are caused by jets.  Get a grip.  We are not a problem.  Well not all of us anyways 

Edited Tuesday at 09:43 PM by OverSword

[josellama2000]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Pandemics are caused by jets.  Get a grip.

Yeah sure. Playing/kidding is good strategy for some people when out of arguments. I saw it several times. Showing that your own words are nothing for you, so other people words in a discussion will also mean nothing? That is not the way discussions work, my friend.
So in other words, i tried to say that the real solution for pandemics is to reduce the population and respect nature. Medicines and vaccines are only temporal, as more pandemics will likely happen.
 

Edited Tuesday at 09:48 PM by josellama2000

[+OverSword]

Just now, josellama2000 said:

Yeah sure. Playing/kidding is good strategy for some people when out of arguments. I saw it several times. Showing that your words are nothing for you?
So in other words, i tried to say that the real solution for pandemics is to reduce the population and respect nature. Medicines and vaccines are only temporal, as more pandemics will likely happen.
 

You are right.  If there are few people living far away from each other there would likely be no pandemic.  And if Bilbo had stayed in the shire Sauron would not have allied with Saruman. 

[josellama2000]

5 minutes ago, OverSword said:

You are right.  If there are few people living far away from each other there would likely be no pandemic.  And if Bilbo had stayed in the shire Sauron would not have allied with Saruman. 

I cant respond to that as i promise not to talk anymore about the reasoning scheme of others. Even if it implies not giving any positive as i receive from others.
 

Edited Tuesday at 09:53 PM by josellama2000

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, josellama2000 said:

I cant respond to that as i promise not to talk anymore about the reasoning scheme of others. Even if it implies not giving any positive to others.
 

My reasoning is that pandemics do not affect the overall population and so for us to be a problem as you say we are and pandemics to be a soft solution as you say they are then they should result in a lower global population.  There were more people born than died every day of the pandemic so your assumptions are incorrect.

[josellama2000]

9 minutes ago, OverSword said:

My reasoning is that pandemics do not affect the overall population and so for us to be a problem as you say we are and pandemics to be a soft solution as you say they are then they should result in a lower global population.  There were more people born than died every day of the pandemic so your assumptions are incorrect.

This situation is analogous to the functioning of the U.S. economy. While we have not yet experienced a recession, largely due to significant injections of fiat currency and debt (often referred to as a "vaccine" for the economy), this does suggest that a more severe recession could be on the horizon. The underlying issue stems from flawed monetary and expending policies (just like irresponsible population grow). There are saving us from the recession, but sentencing our children at the same time.

In other words, just because a pandemic may not have resulted in as many deaths as previous pandemics, it does not mean we are out of danger. The increased rate of population growth could lead to more severe consequences in the future. As pandemics are directly proportional to population density and migration.
 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:06 PM by josellama2000

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, josellama2000 said:

This situation is analogous to the functioning of the U.S. economy. While we have not yet experienced a recession, largely due to significant injections of fiat currency and debt (often referred to as a "vaccine" for the economy), this does suggest that a more severe recession could be on the horizon. The underlying issue stems from flawed monetary and expending policies (just like irresponsible population grow). There are saving us from the recession, but sentencing our children at the same time.

In other words, just because a pandemic may not have resulted in as many deaths as previous pandemics, it does not mean we are out of danger. The increased rate of population growth could lead to more severe consequences in the future. As pandemics are directly proportional to population density and migration.
 

 

 

You mean the pandemic that we gave ourselves from a bat disease?  Yep, we may make something worse next time.