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[Poll] UFOs and alien visitation - what is your position ?


[Poll] UFOs and alien visitation - what is your position ?  

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  1. 1. Are some UFOs vehicles piloted by an extraterrestrial intelligence ?

    • Yes - I am 100% certain that some UFOs are alien in origin
    • Maybe - I believe it is possible that some UFOs are alien in origin but there is insufficient evidence to say one way or the other
    • No - I do not believe that any UFOs are alien in origin


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We haven't had one of these for a while so I thought we could see who is on which side of the fence these days.

Feel free to elaborate on your choice in the comments.

Thank you.

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Space is a vast place and who knows what's out there. Even our own oceans haven't been fully explored

and new life is always discovered.

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I am confident with option 3 - but I am willing to concede that a very few cases may be option 1 , but only if they are Teasers, as decribed by Douglas Adams:

"Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They cruise around looking for planets that haven’t made interstellar contact yet and buzz them.” “Buzz them?” Arthur began to feel that Ford was enjoying making life difficult for him. “Yeah,” said Ford, “they buzz them. They find some isolated spot with very few people around, then land right by some poor unsuspecting soul whom no one’s ever going to believe and then strut up and down in front of him wearing silly antennas on their head and making beep beep noises.”

The actions of alleged alien spacecraft make no other logical sense.  IMO.

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I dont believe that any of the UFOs are ET in origin.

... having that said, I think it would be awesome if they were ...  if we could finaly and conclusively prove it.

Until that day comes (if ever) I will remain skeptical.

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I went with option 3 because option 2 is faulty IMO, just because something is possible doesn't mean it's necessarily probable and thus far we have zero verifiable evidence that either ET's exist or that they have allegedly been here. As an aside most people have no meaningful understanding of the literally astronomical distances an ET would have to traverse in order to even get here. 

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I went with option 3, because I don't think aliens (in the commonly understood term - lifeforms from other planets visiting us) has anything to do with this phenomema.

That said, I also think that amongst the many thousands of reports over the past 100 years (for example) worldwide, amongst all that noise, there could be a very small number that have a very bizarre origin, an origin that is outside our field of understanding at present. What that origin is Im hesitant to speculate, but I don't think it's anything to do with aliens or interplanetary spaceships, or any of the other "paranormal " tags that get thrown around either,  like ghosts, religious experiences etc....I don't see any evidence for it. I'm certainly open to the idea that a tiny percentage of this subject is something we haven't discovered yet though....

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The correct answer is not listed. UFOs are interdimensional.

The idea that UFOs might come from another dimension is known as the interdimensional hypothesis. This theory suggests that UFO sightings could be the result of experiencing other dimensions that coexist alongside our own. This contrasts with the more common extraterrestrial hypothesis, which proposes that UFOs are visitors from other planets.

While some researchers and ufologists, like Jacques Vallée and John Keel, have supported the interdimensional hypothesis, there is no concrete evidence to confirm it. NASA's recent report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) stated that there is no evidence to suggest these phenomena are from another planet or dimension, but they also couldn't completely rule it out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_UFO_hypothesis

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/66811409

https://www.livescience.com/62558-parallel-universe-aliens-survive-dark-energy.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/57344606

https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/are-creatures-living-among-us-in-parallel-dimensions.htm

 

 

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15 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

I went with option 3 because option 2 is faulty IMO, just because something is possible doesn't mean it's necessarily probable and thus far we have zero verifiable evidence that either ET's exist or that they have allegedly been here. As an aside most people have no meaningful understanding of the literally astronomical distances an ET would have to traverse in order to even get here. 

cormac

Alien life and alien visitation are both possible are probable. Humans may not be at the top of the cosmic intellectual pyramid and other civilizations may have found a way to travel these astronomical distances.

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7 hours ago, WorldMysteries said:

The correct answer is not listed. UFOs are interdimensional.

The idea that UFOs might come from another dimension is known as the interdimensional hypothesis. This theory suggests that UFO sightings could be the result of experiencing other dimensions that coexist alongside our own. This contrasts with the more common extraterrestrial hypothesis, which proposes that UFOs are visitors from other planets.

While some researchers and ufologists, like Jacques Vallée and John Keel, have supported the interdimensional hypothesis, there is no concrete evidence to confirm it. NASA's recent report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) stated that there is no evidence to suggest these phenomena are from another planet or dimension, but they also couldn't completely rule it out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_UFO_hypothesis

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/66811409

https://www.livescience.com/62558-parallel-universe-aliens-survive-dark-energy.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/57344606

https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/are-creatures-living-among-us-in-parallel-dimensions.htm

 

 

Explain what a dimension is.

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17 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

As an aside most people have no meaningful understanding of the literally astronomical distances an ET would have to traverse in order to even get here. 

 

Might only take a split second with their technology though, you can't know.

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1 hour ago, openozy said:

Might only take a split second with their technology though, you can't know.

Might travel via unicorn farts as it’s just as valid an idea. Not a point in anyone’s favor. 
 

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3 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

Alien life and alien visitation are both possible and probable. Humans may not be at the top of the cosmic intellectual pyramid and other civilizations may have found a way to travel these astronomical distances.

Prove it! 
 

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19 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

As an aside most people have no meaningful understanding of the literally astronomical distances an ET would have to traverse in order to even get here. 

cormac

They could be 1000s if not millions more advanced than us and don't travel like humans. We haven't even explored our own solar system

in manned vehicles (except the moon) and don't know a lot about our oceans either.

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Just now, Hawken said:

They could be 1000s if not millions more advanced than us and don't travel like humans. We haven't even explored our own solar system

in manned vehicles (except the moon) and don't know a lot about our oceans either.

Based on a recent Drake Equation referencing paper I posted which suggests 20,000 OR LESS equal or greater advanced civilizations to ours it completely ignores the timeframe of those alleged civilizations. 20,000 over the last 13.7 billion years is an average of 1 every 685,000 years which itself would suggest most such civilizations would have gone extinct long before our species origin some 300,000 years BP. I’d consider that discrepancy as a major flaw in the equation.
 

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6 minutes ago, Hawken said:

They could be 1000s if not millions more advanced than us and don't travel like humans. We haven't even explored our own solar system

in manned vehicles (except the moon) and don't know a lot about our oceans either.

Speculating in science fiction and fantasy can be fun, but its also important to remember reality when debating the paranormal.

In this case...  Its impossible to accelerate any material object up to the speed of light because it would take an infinite amount of energy to do so.

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4 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Speculating in science fiction and fantasy can be fun, but its also important to remember reality when debating the paranormal.

In this case...  Its impossible to accelerate any material object up to the speed of light because it would take an infinite amount of energy to do so.

And “stopping on a dime” from that speed would create a shipload of goo! Talk about having **** for brains. :w00t:
 

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14 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Speculating in science fiction and fantasy can be fun, but its also important to remember reality when debating the paranormal.

In this case...  Its impossible to accelerate any material object up to the speed of light because it would take an infinite amount of energy to do so.

Seems to me the Drake Equation is mere speculation that was mentioned by Cormac.

How many cattle does a rancher have without first doing a head count?

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17 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Seems to me the Drake Equation is mere speculation that was mentioned by Cormac.

How many cattle does a rancher have without first doing a head count?

And yet many believers including MrAnderson have attempted to use it as some sort of valid explanation for ET involvement in terrestrial events, it’s not and Drake himself never meant it to be. It was only meant as a jump-off point for future discussion, a thought experiment, nothing more. 
 

cormac

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2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

Prove it! 
 

cormac

Prove what? This isn't something provable. It's part of the possible/probabe. So alien visitation is both possible and probable.

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50 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

And yet many believers including MrAnderson have attempted to use it as some sort of valid explanation for ET involvement in terrestrial events, it’s not and Drake himself never meant it to be. It was only meant as a jump-off point for future discussion, a thought experiment, nothing more. 
 

cormac

It's not a matter of belief. You are confusing theoretical physics and probabilities with theology and religion and faith in god. I am a physicist and not a priest or a religious believer and so does Drake and Kaku and Avi Loeb. You guys confuse a lot of things here.

And you don't have a monopoly in logic and common sense if you think you do (just like a few others here).

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