Harris accepts CNN debate offer

[+susieice]

Harris accepts CNN offer for 2nd presidential debate on Oct. 23 (msn.com)

Vice President Kamala Harris said Saturday she has accepted an offer from CNN for a second presidential debate against former President Donald Trump on Oct. 23.

The October CNN debate would have the same rules as the debate in June that the network held between Trump and President Joe Biden, according to Harris campaign chair Jen O'Malley Dillon. That includes no audience and the microphones would be muted when one candidate isn't speaking, sources with knowledge of the rules told ABC News.

[psyche101]

But Trump won't take it up.

We know why. 

[+Link of Hyrule]

Harris didn't agree to the proposed debate on September 4 on Fox,  why should Trump agree now? 

[psyche101]

23 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Harris didn't agree to the proposed debate on September 4 on Fox,  why should Trump agree now? 

To show that he is not scared.

It's what America wants from the race. Controversy. Regardless of your thoughts you know this is how it will be presented moving forward. Trump can take up the challenge and look confident or avoid it and look weak. That's how this will be presented. His only real choice is to prove them wrong by accepting. Anything else is leaving a door open to wife speculation and criticism. 

[acidhead]

I’ve never seen a candidate that was supposedly ahead beg for a debate. Beggar Harris groveling on her knees.

😂 

 

[+and-then]

21 minutes ago, acidhead said:

I’ve never seen a candidate that was supposedly ahead beg for a debate. Beggar Harris groveling on her knees.

😂 

 

Her handlers must think it will somehow harm Trump by accusing him of being "afraid to debate"    The numbers are basically set and the independents will make the choice but with states like AZ granting voting rights to 98 thousand people who cannot confirm or validate their qualification to vote, it looks like we're going to see the same **** show we saw in 2020.  SO BE IT.  The tens of millions of Trump voters will NOT just shrug and bow this time.  They will not resort to violence.  Let the Feds show themselves trying to impose illegitimate diktats out of DC against an organized movement of civil disobedience against a government that is illegitimate.   

The only way to change course on that chaos will be for Congress and SCOTUS to demand serious changes to secure the vote.

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

But Trump won't take it up.

We know why. 

Once again Kamala said she will be there even if she faces an empty podium.  It is very possibly a no win situation for Trump.  Whether he gets dragged into it by his ego, or his staff holds him back, it will be churning around in his head as another distraction for the next several weeks. Kamala can throw darts at him for the next month

[Tatetopa]

48 minutes ago, acidhead said:

I’ve never seen a candidate that was supposedly ahead beg for a debate. Beggar Harris groveling on her knees.

😂 

 

Its an easy fight and a nearly sure win.  Why shouldn't Kamala want to debate again? It would fluster Trump again a couple of weeks before the election.  Kamala isn't so special, Putin could easily do it so could Xi.  Trump is too easy to manipulate.

 

[psyche101]

58 minutes ago, acidhead said:

I’ve never seen a candidate that was supposedly ahead beg for a debate. Beggar Harris groveling on her knees.

😂 

 

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accepted an offer from CNN 

I reckon you just sound petty and gossipy.

[acidhead]

2 hours ago, susieice said:

(snip)

The October CNN debate would have the same rules 

CNN has already had the privilege of hosting a Presidential debate for 2024. 

MSNBC got theirs when they helped her debate Big-T. 

That leaves FOX. 

But, you know what? Who cares about FOX news or any of the dinosaur legacy cable networks. 

What I'd like to see is a completely different debate format. One that's more "progressive" in the changing communicative landscape we all use today.

Say, a debate live streamed on YouTube or 𝕏 where there are only two moderators.

Each candidate presents, in advance a short list of individuals they would like to host and than the opposing candidate chooses from each others list an individual as host. This is how the two moderators are chosen. If candidates cannot choose an individual to moderate than there's no debate. This would force candidates to present a list of individuals the most moderate to host. 

I think choosing the moderators this way would be the best possible way to choose as unbiased as possible. 

As far as the debate. Use the previous rules CNN and MSNBC used except for two or three other rules.

-first rule, a running clock will be always be shown on screen counting down the seconds each candidate has to answer.

-second rule, the moderators are strictly forbidden from participating in the debate other than presenting a question once the timer has run out. 

*Each question asked by a moderator is to be answered by both candidates. No special questions for one candidate. 

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Its an easy fight and a nearly sure win.  Why shouldn't Kamala want to debate again? It would fluster Trump again a couple of weeks before the election.  Kamala isn't so special, Putin could easily do it so could Xi.  Trump is too easy to manipulate.

 

With the fact checking of Trump during the last debate I’m pretty sure Trump will do no thanks. No one wants to look silly a second time, especially to Kamala Harris. 

[+Link of Hyrule]

4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

To show that he is not scared.

It's what America wants from the race. Controversy. Regardless of your thoughts you know this is how it will be presented moving forward. Trump can take up the challenge and look confident or avoid it and look weak. That's how this will be presented. His only real choice is to prove them wrong by accepting. Anything else is leaving a door open to wife speculation and criticism. 

Then show she isn't scared - put the debate on Fox! As it is she won't go anywhere that doesn't give her home field advantage. After CNN moderators showed their true colours, Trump shouldn't go anywhere near CNN. Trump has nothing to gain by a debate and much to lose, and Harris lost all right to complain after she refused the September 4 debate. 

Edited September 22 by Link of Hyrule

[eight bits]

Trump has declined debate offers in the past in other races. His go-to move is to schedule an event of his own at the same time as the debate he declines. Fox or a similar friendly  outlet covers the Trump event, which gets competitive ratings against Harris talking to CNN presenters in an empty studio.

What event will Trump stage this time? Maybe a fund raiser for the Springfield Ohio animal shelter.

 

[acidhead]

23 minutes ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Then show she isn't scared - put the debate on Fox! As it is she won't go anywhere that doesn't give her home field advantage. After CNN moderators showed their true colours, Trump shouldn't go anywhere near CNN. Trump has nothing to gain by a debate and much to lose, and Harris lost all right to complain after she refused the September 4 debate. 

The debate with Harris was hosted by ABC. The debate where Biden bombed was on CNN.

Edited September 22 by acidhead

[acidhead]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

CNN has already had the privilege of hosting a Presidential debate for 2024. 

MSNBC got theirs when they helped her debate Big-T. 

That leaves FOX. 

But, you know what? Who cares about FOX news or any of the dinosaur legacy cable networks. 

What I'd like to see is a completely different debate format. One that's more "progressive" in the changing communicative landscape we all use today.

Say, a debate live streamed on YouTube or 𝕏 where there are only two moderators.

Each candidate presents, in advance a short list of individuals they would like to host and than the opposing candidate chooses from each others list an individual as host. This is how the two moderators are chosen. If candidates cannot choose an individual to moderate than there's no debate. This would force candidates to present a list of individuals the most moderate to host. 

I think choosing the moderators this way would be the best possible way to choose as unbiased as possible. 

As far as the debate. Use the previous rules CNN and MSNBC used except for two or three other rules.

-first rule, a running clock will be always be shown on screen counting down the seconds each candidate has to answer.

-second rule, the moderators are strictly forbidden from participating in the debate other than presenting a question once the timer has run out. 

*Each question asked by a moderator is to be answered by both candidates. No special questions for one candidate. 

*Correction ABC hosted the Harris/Trump debate. Not MSNBC.

[+Link of Hyrule]

10 minutes ago, acidhead said:

The debate with Harris was hosted by ABC. The debate where Biden bombed was on CNN.

Ah, my bad 😊 carry on. 

[pellinore]

6 hours ago, psyche101 said:

But Trump won't take it up.

We know why. 

I do hope he does take her on. The last debate was a corker! He is better now than when he was as POTUS. Here a comment from 2020:

If I received a dollar for every laugh that escaped my mouth upon listening to President Trump speak, I'd be a very rich individual. The nonsense often spewing from his mouth is incoherent and politically incorrect. The man should give up politics altogether and try his hand at comedy. Bizarre quotes from Trump during final debate - Indy100 Conversations

Edited September 22 by pellinore

[Antigonos]

That should give Kamala just enough time to finish scrubbing the orange off of her shoes from the a$$kicking she gave him in their first debate.

I hope he does find his balls and changes his mind. I want to see her push his buttons again and watch him rage babble a second time in front of a nationwide audience.

Edited September 22 by Antigonos

[Gromdor]

He did poorly with the last debate with her and is unlikely to do better.  Why damage his campaign even more?

[+susieice]

8 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Then show she isn't scared - put the debate on Fox! As it is she won't go anywhere that doesn't give her home field advantage. After CNN moderators showed their true colours, Trump shouldn't go anywhere near CNN. Trump has nothing to gain by a debate and much to lose, and Harris lost all right to complain after she refused the September 4 debate. 

I don't know. FOX offered and Trump didn't respond well to them.

Trump Loses It at Fox Host Who Said He Didn’t Win the Debate: ‘I Actually Prefer the Losers at CNN’ (yahoo.com)

[Tatetopa]

8 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

Then show she isn't scared - put the debate on Fox! As it is she won't go anywhere that doesn't give her home field advantage. After CNN moderators showed their true colours, Trump shouldn't go anywhere near CNN. Trump has nothing to gain by a debate and much to lose, and Harris lost all right to complain after she refused the September 4 debate. 

Greetings Link.  There is no reason for Kamala to go to FOX.  She is driving, she currently has the power.  This is about perception and winning votes. Kamala has no reason to go in front of a crowd of Trump supporters to make him look good when she can make him look like a loser by standing firm.

There is a way Trump could avoid all  the negative interaction from the moderators,  Don't tell outrageous lies. He can get away with lying about his economy or success at the border but post birth abortions and eating pets go a little far. That is the simple advice that appears frequently when police confrontations are a topic of a thread.  Comply.

[Tatetopa]

Another thing to consider about Trump not debating is what is going on in his head.  To the Harris team, a debate is secondary. The goal is to plant a fear worm in  Trump's brain to monopolize his thoughts.  They will play on Trump's imposter syndrome.  He has a lifelong fear of people thinking  that he is a failure, an imposter.  He will be forced to go to great lengths to deny that.  It will detour his thoughts and energy.  He will mention it at every rally and ever interview.  He will claim he won the debate.  Policy subjects will be pushed out of his focus in the home stretch of the campaign.  Once again, another way anybody can manipulate Trump. That won't impact Trump loyalists who do accept him as a victim, but never as a loser.  It may peel away some undecideds. 

It doesn't mean Trump will lose, but it is a good ploy from the Harris team. 

[+and-then]

She won't sit for live interviews in any setting that she doesn't totally control yet she wants to be POTUS.  Those here who support her, have a screw loose, IMHO.

[Tatetopa]

It is not vital for her campaign, or she would do it more often.  There is no point in trying to humor Trump loyalists, they will not be won over no matter how good her next press conference is.

'Right now, she is benefitting most from Trump's exposure.  He is turning off the independents and old fashion Republicans.  He appears increasingly confused and lethargic; even weak. She talks at rallies structured to peel away groups like Latinos Blacks, women, college educated men, Indians, and legal immigrants.

Once again, it is about strategy, not doing what triggered MAGA supporters think she should.  She is currently driving, not reacting. So far, she has resisted all efforts to tangle up her responses with defending her race, sex, profession, family, or crowd size.

She may not win, but she is running an effective campaign.

[Wakka25]

12 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said:

With the fact checking of Trump during the last debate I’m pretty sure Trump will do no thanks. No one wants to look silly a second time, especially to Kamala Harris. 

There lies the problem. The moderators didn't bother to fact check Kamala's misinformation: 

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VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, let's be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit, one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America. 

That's not true. In fact, in 3 years under Biden nearly surpassed 4 years of trade deficit under Trump: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0004.html