Still Waters Posted October 3 #1 Share Posted October 3 Quote Across the United States, the second Monday of October is increasingly becoming known as Indigenous Peoples Day. In the push to rename Columbus Day, Christopher Columbus himself has become a metaphor for the evils of early colonial empires, and rightly so. The Italian explorer who set out across the Atlantic in search of Asia was a notorious advocate for enslaving the Indigenous Taínos of the Caribbean. In the words of historian Andrés Reséndez, he “intended to turn the Caribbean into another Guinea,” the region of West Africa that had become a European slave-trading hub. By 1506, however, Columbus was dead. Most of the genocidal acts of violence that defined the colonial period were carried out by many, many others. In the long shadow of Columbus, we sometimes lose sight of the ideas, laws and ordinary people who enabled colonial violence on a large scale. https://theconversation.com/accept-our-king-our-god-or-else-the-senseless-requirement-spanish-colonizers-used-to-justify-their-bloodshed-in-the-americas-223527 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted October 3 #2 Share Posted October 3 Columbus has had his reputation destroyed by people who haven't done their research. He wasn't half as bad as he is portrayed. It's a beat-up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted October 3 #3 Share Posted October 3 15 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: Columbus has had his reputation destroyed by people who haven't done their research. He wasn't half as bad as he is portrayed. It's a beat-up. He was on a crusade to invade and enslave. End of ****ing story..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted October 5 #4 Share Posted October 5 On 10/3/2024 at 11:05 PM, Piney said: He was on a crusade to invade and enslave. End of ****ing story..... It pays to actually read what the chroniclers of his journey and his own journals say. While it is unequivocal that Spain was responsible for a lot of genocide in the new world, Columbus is unfairly maligned. Most of the people who accused him in his own time were the real criminals. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 5 #5 Share Posted October 5 On 10/3/2024 at 1:54 PM, Still Waters said: https://theconversation.com/accept-our-king-our-god-or-else-the-senseless-requirement-spanish-colonizers-used-to-justify-their-bloodshed-in-the-americas-223527 Did anyone read those "Requerimiento"? We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 5 #6 Share Posted October 5 7 hours ago, Alchopwn said: It pays to actually read what the chroniclers of his journey and his own journals say. While it is unequivocal that Spain was responsible for a lot of genocide in the new world, Columbus is unfairly maligned. Most of the people who accused him in his own time were the real criminals. I always mention the next book when Columbus shows up again: "Sails of Hope", by Simon Wiesenthal. It gives one a very different perspective on why Columbus even set out on his famous voyage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted October 6 #7 Share Posted October 6 23 hours ago, Abramelin said: I always mention the next book when Columbus shows up again: "Sails of Hope", by Simon Wiesenthal. It gives one a very different perspective on why Columbus even set out on his famous voyage. I haven't read it. What did Wiesenthal say? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 10 #8 Share Posted October 10 On 10/6/2024 at 12:25 PM, Alchopwn said: I haven't read it. What did Wiesenthal say? I didn't forget about you. I was busy trying to find an.online version of his book. In essence: Columbus was a converted Jew. He set out on the Atlantic the night before the Jews would be kicked out of Spain He believed there were Jewish colonies in the east of Asia, and it was his goal to meet them. He had Jewish interpretors on board. Why? If he really expected to arrive at Nippon/Japan, or China, why would he have Jewish speaking guys onboard to do the translating? I could go on for an hour like this. But you better buy the book. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 12 #9 Share Posted October 12 (edited) On 10/6/2024 at 12:25 PM, Alchopwn said: I haven't read it. What did Wiesenthal say? Today we'll know: https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/381604-dna-study-confirms-christopher-columbus’s-remains-are-entombed-in-seville/ "And was the navigator who changed the course of world history really from Genoa – as history has long claimed – or was he actually Basque, Catalan, Galician, Greek, Jewish or Portuguese? The answer to the first question is yes. The answer to the second is … wait until Saturday." Edited October 12 by Abramelin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 13 #10 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 16 hours ago, Abramelin said: Today we'll know: https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/381604-dna-study-confirms-christopher-columbus’s-remains-are-entombed-in-seville/ "And was the navigator who changed the course of world history really from Genoa – as history has long claimed – or was he actually Basque, Catalan, Galician, Greek, Jewish or Portuguese? The answer to the first question is yes. The answer to the second is … wait until Saturday." And we do: Columbus was a sephardic Jew. Edited October 13 by Abramelin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted October 13 #11 Share Posted October 13 On 10/10/2024 at 4:31 PM, Abramelin said: I didn't forget about you. I was busy trying to find an.online version of his book. In essence: Columbus was a converted Jew. He set out on the Atlantic the night before the Jews would be kicked out of Spain He believed there were Jewish colonies in the east of Asia, and it was his goal to meet them. He had Jewish interpretors on board. Why? If he really expected to arrive at Nippon/Japan, or China, why would he have Jewish speaking guys onboard to do the translating? I could go on for an hour like this. But you better buy the book. Sounds interesting, thanks for the recommendation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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