California outlaws local voter ID rules

[WVK]

SACRAMENTO, California — Local governments in California will be barred from establishing local laws that require residents present identification to vote in elections under a new law signed Sunday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.

The legislation — from state Sen. Dave Min, an Orange County Democrat running for Rep. Katie Porter’s open House seat — is a direct response to a controversial ballot measure approved this year by voters in Huntington Beachrequiring people to show photo identification at the polls. It will take effect on Jan. 1.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/29/california-outlaws-local-voter-id-rules-00181608

[pellinore]

This about sums it up: “The right to freely cast your vote is the foundation of our democracy and Huntington Beach’s voter ID policy flies in the face of this principle,” Bonta said in an April statement regarding the lawsuit.

The UK tried this recently - the Tories (your version of Republicans) introduced it to exclude poor people who don't drive or go abroad (so didn't have driving licenses or passports) from voting. 

It backfired because their core voters, the elderly, either didn't drive, didn't travel; and either forgot or didn't know about the new rules. So they weren't able to vote.

[+Link of Hyrule]

As long as the ID is free, this shouldn't be a problem. In fact I wish my country would enact similar laws. My government collects too much money from fees associated with licenses and ID so it won't happen. But it should!

Edited October 7 by Link of Hyrule

[papageorge1]

I just don't understand this no ID required. I can vote as everybody I know that isn't voting? People can sell their vote on the sly to someone who wants to buy their right to vote? Someone can come in to vote and be told they have already voted because someone used their name already? And on and on. 

 

[MrAnderson]

There is nothing wrong with ID use in elections. How else someone knows it's you who is registered to vote. Any form of ID will do and if voters don't have an ID then the state can issue photo IDs that are specifically designed for those who want to vote.

[Agent0range]

11 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

People can sell their vote on the sly to someone who wants to buy their right to vote? 

 

LOL, this is quite the reach.  But, if you Paypal me $500..I'll vote for Trump in a battleground state.

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Agent0range said:

LOL, this is quite the reach.  But, if you Paypal me $500..I'll vote for Trump in a battleground state.

Maybe... but if you're willing, I really would like to know how you stand on this issue.  The obvious reason for making it illegal to verify a voter's status is so those who aren't legally citizens can vote.  I guess my question is, if this situation were flipped and the Right passed laws that enabled them to win power by shady means, would you agree with that?

What I see is one party that is showing itself willing to do whatever it takes to retain power, even if it destroys confidence in our system.

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Maybe... but if you're willing, I really would like to know how you stand on this issue.  The obvious reason for making it illegal to verify a voter's status is so those who aren't legally citizens can vote.  I guess my question is, if this situation were flipped and the Right passed laws that enabled them to win power by shady means, would you agree with that?

What I see is one party that is showing itself willing to do whatever it takes to retain power, even if it destroys confidence in our system.

Lol, I don't imagine in the US people can just stroll in and vote without checks at present. If that was the case they could just walk into multiple polling booths and cast multiple votes.

In the UK each county kept an Electoral Roll, and they would write to each address asking for verification of registered voters there. On election day you would go to your local assigned voting centre and your name would be checked against the register- you were ticked off and that was your one vote done. You couldn't vote anywhere else.

The system worked, because if you were an illegal alien living at the address you wouldn't acknowledge it to get on the Roll- obviously, because you would want to alert the authorities of your presence.

 

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

Maybe... but if you're willing, I really would like to know how you stand on this issue.  The obvious reason for making it illegal to verify a voter's status is so those who aren't legally citizens can vote.  I guess my question is, if this situation were flipped and the Right passed laws that enabled them to win power by shady means, would you agree with that?

What I see is one party that is showing itself willing to do whatever it takes to retain power, even if it destroys confidence in our system.

How about this.  You prove your citizenship to your state, or does your state not care?  If your state cares to verify your citizenship and right to vote, you get a registration card.  When you get to your polling place,  you show ID and the voter registration card, plus you appear on the precinct trolls to be checked off. How would you feel if they asked for your covid vaccination  record at the door before you could come in to vote? 

They would have no right .  The states set the requirements for voting, precincts can't ask for a covid shot record or anything else.

[+Sherapy]

14 hours ago, WVK said:

SACRAMENTO, California — Local governments in California will be barred from establishing local laws that require residents present identification to vote in elections under a new law signed Sunday by Gov. Gavin Newsom.

The legislation — from state Sen. Dave Min, an Orange County Democrat running for Rep. Katie Porter’s open House seat — is a direct response to a controversial ballot measure approved this year by voters in Huntington Beachrequiring people to show photo identification at the polls. It will take effect on Jan. 1.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/29/california-outlaws-local-voter-id-rules-00181608

https://calmatters.org/explainers/california-voter-fraud/
 

 

Min’s legislation is one of nearly a half-dozen bills introduced by Democratic state lawmakers this past year looking to close legal gray areas in state election laws. The changes aim to prevent Huntington Beach, Shasta County and other conservative local governments from establishing election policies that are often driven by suspicions of voter fraud.

Legislation from state Sen. Steve Bradford, signed into law Wednesday, clarifies record-keeping procedures for secure elections data and increases the secretary of state’s regulatory power over poll books and other voting systems used in local elections.

Ultraconservative local officials in Shasta County unsuccessfully attempted to dump electionic voting machines last year, citing baseless concerns of voter fraud. Their arguments mimicked claims about voting machines made by former President Donald Trump following the 2020 presidential election.

 

 

 

 

 

[preacherman76]

There is only one reason a state wouldn’t require ID to vote. 

[preacherman76]

1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

https://calmatters.org/explainers/california-voter-fraud/
 

 

 

Min’s legislation is one of nearly a half-dozen bills introduced by Democratic state lawmakers this past year looking to close legal gray areas in state election laws. The changes aim to prevent Huntington Beach, Shasta County and other conservative local governments from establishing election policies that are often driven by suspicions of voter fraud.

Legislation from state Sen. Steve Bradford, signed into law Wednesday, clarifies record-keeping procedures for secure elections data and increases the secretary of state’s regulatory power over poll books and other voting systems used in local elections.

Ultraconservative local officials in Shasta County unsuccessfully attempted to dump electionic voting machines last year, citing baseless concerns of voter fraud. Their arguments mimicked claims about voting machines made by former President Donald Trump following the 2020 presidential election.

 

 

 

 

 

Plenty of democrats have had problems with these same voting machines in the past. 
 

In Arizona last election they had all kinds of problems with voting machines. They should be banned. 

[preacherman76]

7 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

How about this.  You prove your citizenship to your state, or does your state not care?  If your state cares to verify your citizenship and right to vote, you get a registration card.  When you get to your polling place,  you show ID and the voter registration card, plus you appear on the precinct trolls to be checked off. How would you feel if they asked for your covid vaccination  record at the door before you could come in to vote? 

They would have no right .  The states set the requirements for voting, precincts can't ask for a covid shot record or anything else.

If your state doesn’t care, chances are they are corrupt. Proving you are a citizen that is allowed to vote in that precinct is just common sense. Why have laws against voter fraud, if you are going to do nothing to make sure people are legally voting? 
 

I don’t get the covid vaccine record. How would that prove you are legally required to vote? 
 

Are you say that if a state doesn’t care to make people prove they are legally voting, then we shouldn’t care either?

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Are you say that if a state doesn’t care to make people prove they are legally voting, then we shouldn’t care either?

If a state asks for proof of citizenship to issue a voter ID card, they care.  If they don't maybe they are corrupt.   Which is it for California?  Have you looked at their website to see or are you relying on media talking heads?  

[+Sherapy]

@preachermanI think over all the elections have appropriate checks and balances in place.

Calmatters.org

bycal Sameea Kamal October 10Welcome to CalMatters, the only nonprofit newsroom devoted solely to covering issues that affect all Californians. Sign up for

Since the 2020 election, the issue has been fueled by the “Big Lie” — the baseless claim still touted by former President Donald Trump and his allies that the election was stolen — and the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol and its aftermath.

Questioning election integrity has also become a political strategy: In the effort last year to recall Gov. Gavin Newsom, Republican candidate Larry Elder said he was concerned about fraud and started a website to collect tips even before the votes were counted. 

While experts agree that there is no widespread voter fraud and California Secretary of State Shirley Weber told CalMatters there is no evidence of frequent instances, there have been scattered attempts to cheat. In 2020, for example, the California Republican Party admitted placing more than 50 fake ballot drop boxes in Los Angeles, Fresno and Orange counties. In August 2021, during the recall election, a 34-year-old man stole 300 ballots from a Postal Service vehicle in Torrance as part of a bank fraud and identity theft scheme. The ballots, were retrieved and resent.

Edited October 7 by Sherapy

[+OverSword]

If you don't have your life together enough to have ID to prove who you are I certainly don't want your inept butt voting on things that will affect me.

Edited October 7 by OverSword

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

I think over all the elections have appropriate checks and balances in place.

Your state has made it ILLEGAL to verify that voters have the right to vote and are not part of the influx of millions of illegals.  You can dress that up any way you like but the reality is that Cali is leading the charge to end America's trust in the only remaining tie that binds us - trust in elections.  Without that, this nation is going to come apart at the seams and those who think it won't affect them, a self-deluded.  Your party, your belief system, would be screaming bloody murder if something similar were being done that harmed your ideology from retaining power.  

[ExpandMyMind]

It's frightening how many Republican voters don't understand how their elections work or how secure they already are against fraud.

All of this because their guy lost a free and fair election and couldn't accept defeat.

For Trump. Madness.

[+OverSword]

3 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

It's frightening how many Republican voters don't understand how their elections work or how secure they already are against fraud.

All of this because their guy lost a free and fair election and couldn't accept defeat.

For Trump. Madness.

Concern about voter fraud and election integrity certainly go back much (much, much) further than trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contested_elections_in_American_history

[F3SS]

23 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said:

As long as the ID is free, this shouldn't be a problem. In fact I wish my country would enact similar laws. My government collects too much money from fees associated with licenses and ID so it won't happen. But it should!

ID's are free if they need to be especially concerning voting. In every state that requires an ID every contested excuse for why it's a burden is accounted for.

Voting can't have a cost! OK, we'll provide them for free for anyone who needs them. 

Precinct too far! There are free ride services available and I don't mean Uber. 

Can't get to the DMV (dept of motor vehicles) to get an ID! We'll mail you the forms you need.

What about postage, it has a price! We'll send you prepaid postage envelopes with the form.

There's more but overall I agree with Oversword here. The arguments get whittled down to the most downtrodden members of society who likely aren't voting anyways but even still every accommodation is made available for them. Next to that, the "soft" bigotry and racism of the left is always on display in this subject. Their constituents are always the most helpless and oppressed people who can't have anything required of them because they either can't do it themselves or it's insulting to ask something of them. (Them being the constituents). Meanwhile, every single last bit of government assistance programs requires some form of identification, mounds of paperwork, in person appointments, mailing of things, ect.

Basically Link, these people are either idiots or deceptive. Not one of these members here can argue against the simplicity and security of voter ID requirements without being completely dishonest with themselves. Any attempt to do so is them just being political hacks. I don't believe agent orange thinks voter id is wrong, I don't think tate does either but somehow this issue belongs to the right so they might be struggling internally to just admit it's sensible. ExpandMyMind extracts his thoughts from the depths of political reddit threads so he might be hopeless. 

Edited October 7 by F3SS

[Doc Socks Junior]

Although I have don't have much concern as to the security of CA voting, I don't really see a problem with a requirement to present ID at a polling place in order to vote.

Some form of ID is already attached to the voter registration anyway. For instance, I registered to vote along with getting my driver's license.

 

[+Sherapy]

8 hours ago, and-then said:

Your state has made it ILLEGAL to verify that voters have the right to vote and are not part of the influx of millions of illegals.  You can dress that up any way you like but the reality is that Cali is leading the charge to end America's trust in the only remaining tie that binds us - trust in elections.  Without that, this nation is going to come apart at the seams and those who think it won't affect them, a self-deluded.  Your party, your belief system, would be screaming bloody murder if something similar were being done that harmed your ideology from retaining power.  

There was no stolen election. End of story.