Al Pacino offers stark reflection on his own near-death experience

[UM-Bot]

The legendary actor had a close brush with death after he contracted Covid back during the pandemic.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/381532/al-pacino-offers-stark-reflection-on-his-own-near-death-experience

[Abramelin]

That must suck for Papa Meters...

[C L Palmer]

Pacino has no soul, so....

[Vox]

Covid really does take eveything from people!

[jethrofloyd]

"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" - Michael Corleone,  'The Gudfather Part III'. 

😊

 

[sanchez710]

Life is a single spark between two eternities.

[papageorge1]

4 hours ago, Abramelin said:

That must suck for Papa Meters...

Actually nothing new here.

The meter already understood that the astral/soul body separation trigger in the face of death-like trauma is more and less sensitive in different people. Sounds like Pacino did not go out of body in his trauma experience. All will separate at final death.

[Abramelin]

47 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Actually nothing new here.

The meter already understood that the astral/soul body separation trigger in the face of death-like trauma is more and less sensitive in different people. Sounds like Pacino did not go out of body in his trauma experience. All will separate at final death.

I think Pacino isn't much of a believer in the afterlife.

And believing in an afterlife can color your experience when you're near death.

[papageorge1]

9 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I think Pacino isn't much of a believer in the afterlife.

And believing in an afterlife can color your experience when you're near death.

I disagree with that as atheists/agnostics having life altering NDEs is almost a cliche/common story.

[Abramelin]

1 minute ago, papageorge1 said:

I disagree with that as atheists/agnostics having life altering NDEs is almost a cliche/common story.

Heh. They were shocked by their experience.

But being shocked by some weird experience and 'seeing' things during that experience doesn't prove a thing.

My Aba-meter tells me this is 100% NOTHING special.

It's about wishfull thinking, and grabbing any straw of 'proof' that might convince others that something 'paranormal' took place.

 

You have NO idea where I am coming from.

[papageorge1]

12 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Heh. They were shocked by their experience.

But being shocked by some weird experience and 'seeing' things during that experience doesn't prove a thing.

My Aba-meter tells me this is 100% NOTHING special.

It's about wishfull thinking, and grabbing any straw of 'proof' that might convince others that something 'paranormal' took place.

 

You have NO idea where I am coming from.

And the Papameter is at 99% that the NDE is a genuine spiritual experience involving the separation of the astral/soul body from the physical body.

[jethrofloyd]

The only near death experience for Al Pacino was in the coffee shop in the movie ''Heat" when he meets Robert De Niro (Neil Mccauley).

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

And the Papameter is at 99% that the NDE is a genuine spiritual experience involving the separation of the astral/soul body from the physical body.

You've probably read the same books I have.

But, at some point I came to the conclusion that these books are about nothing but people having weird experiences, and trying to explain them according to their convictions, beliefs and superstitions.

In short: nothing paranormal.

 

[Piney]

On 10/9/2024 at 1:32 PM, papageorge1 said:

And the Papameter is at 99% that the NDE is a genuine spiritual experience involving the separation of the astral/soul body from the physical body.

And I'm 100 percent sure a NDE is a gamma wave spike when the brain thinks it's dying in a attempt to calm down. 

[jmccr8]

On 10/9/2024 at 11:17 AM, Abramelin said:

You have NO idea where I am coming from

HI Rob

As I looked to the west there was a lone rider on the horizon. Lol

[Abramelin]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

And I'm 100 percent sure a NDE is a gamma wave spike when the brain thinks it's dying in a attempt to calm down. 

Weren't endorphines  also involved?

Edited October 14 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Just now, jmccr8 said:

HI Rob

As I looked to the west there was a lone rider on the horizon. Lol

And I am a lone rider...

 

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

And I am a lone rider...

 

HI Rob

One lone rider to another yes we are. 

[Piney]

5 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Weren't endorphines  also involved?

Yep.

[XenoFish]

5 hours ago, Piney said:

And I'm 100 percent sure a NDE is a gamma wave spike when the brain thinks it's dying in a attempt to calm down. 

I'm kinda wondering if these experiences create an effect similar to sleep paralysis, maybe with a touch of lucid dreaming. Since the brain is basically going haywire.

Edited October 15 by XenoFish

[+and-then]

5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I'm kinda wondering if these experiences create an effect similar to sleep paralysis, maybe with a touch of lucid dreaming. Since the brain is basically going haywire.

Does this approach explain how the indivduals sometimes are aware of objects or persons not in the same room with them?  I'm not sure what to believe about these experiences but I'd say those little data points might need to be covered within the theories used to dismiss the phenomenon altogether.  

[+Liquid Gardens]

11 hours ago, and-then said:

Does this approach explain how the indivduals sometimes are aware of objects or persons not in the same room with them?  I'm not sure what to believe about these experiences but I'd say those little data points might need to be covered within the theories used to dismiss the phenomenon altogether.  

I think those little data points need some evidence other than people's stories to support that they actually occurred first.

[papageorge1]

19 hours ago, Piney said:

And I'm 100 percent sure a NDE is a gamma wave spike when the brain thinks it's dying in a attempt to calm down. 

100%?? Not sure if you are serious or just trying to imitate the tone in my quote. I'll put that theory among the low likelihood explanations when things like veridical NDEs occur and people viewing events from an above the body perspective.

Here's some challenges ChatGPT has for the Gamma Wave theory fro the NDE.

1. NDEs Occur Without Clear Brain Activity

Flatline EEGs: Some people report NDEs even when their EEG (electroencephalogram) readings show little to no brain activity, suggesting that these experiences may occur independently of measurable brain processes.

This challenges the idea that gamma waves, which are brief and localized bursts of activity, could produce a cohesive and vivid conscious experience.

2. NDEs Occur Across Diverse Medical Conditions

NDEs are reported not only during cardiac arrest but also in other situations, such as severe trauma, general anesthesia, and during comas, where gamma activity may not be expected.

If gamma waves were the cause, similar patterns should be consistently detected in all these cases, but brain data is often unavailable or inconsistent in such contexts.

3. Memory Encoding Problems

A key feature of NDEs is the ability to recall these experiences vividly after recovery, but during oxygen deprivation, brain functions responsible for memory formation (e.g., the hippocampus) are impaired.

It is unclear how these memories could be encoded during a time of reduced brain metabolism and abnormal neural synchronization.

4. Gamma Waves May Be a Side Effect, Not a Cause

The gamma wave spikes observed could simply reflect a dying brain’s disinhibition, where neurons fire chaotically due to lack of oxygen or energy, rather than coordinated cognitive processes.

In this scenario, gamma bursts may not produce subjective experiences but instead represent the brain’s final attempt at self-regulation before shutting down.

5. NDE Phenomena Have Psychological and Cultural Components

NDEs include highly subjective experiences (e.g., life review, tunnel vision, out-of-body sensations, and encounters with deceased relatives) that are shaped by personal beliefs and cultural background.

These features are difficult to explain purely through brain waves, as cultural elements suggest that some experiences may be generated or influenced by psychological and sociocultural factors rather than neural activity.

6. Lack of Direct Evidence

While gamma waves have been recorded during cardiac arrest in animal models and rare human cases, no study has definitively linked gamma waves to the content of NDEs (like life reviews or feelings of peace).

The brain activity seen during death might be unrelated to what survivors later report as an NDE, with these reports potentially being post hoc reconstructions or hallucinations formed after recovery.

 

[Piney]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

100%?? Not sure if you are serious or just trying to imitate the tone in my quote. I'll put that theory among the low likelihood explanations when things like veridical NDEs occur and people viewing events from an above the body perspective.

Here's some challenges ChatGPThas for the Gamma Wave theory fro the NDE.

1. NDEs Occur Without Clear Brain Activity

Flatline EEGs: Some people report NDEs even when their EEG (electroencephalogram) readings show little to no brain activity, suggesting that these experiences may occur independently of measurable brain processes.

This challenges the idea that gamma waves, which are brief and localized bursts of activity, could produce a cohesive and vivid conscious experience.

2. NDEs Occur Across Diverse Medical Conditions

NDEs are reported not only during cardiac arrest but also in other situations, such as severe trauma, general anesthesia, and during comas, where gamma activity may not be expected.

If gamma waves were the cause, similar patterns should be consistently detected in all these cases, but brain data is often unavailable or inconsistent in such contexts.

3. Memory Encoding Problems

A key feature of NDEs is the ability to recall these experiences vividly after recovery, but during oxygen deprivation, brain functions responsible for memory formation (e.g., the hippocampus) are impaired.

It is unclear how these memories could be encoded during a time of reduced brain metabolism and abnormal neural synchronization.

4. Gamma Waves May Be a Side Effect, Not a Cause

The gamma wave spikes observed could simply reflect a dying brain’s disinhibition, where neurons fire chaotically due to lack of oxygen or energy, rather than coordinated cognitive processes.

In this scenario, gamma bursts may not produce subjective experiences but instead represent the brain’s final attempt at self-regulation before shutting down.

5. NDE Phenomena Have Psychological and Cultural Components

NDEs include highly subjective experiences (e.g., life review, tunnel vision, out-of-body sensations, and encounters with deceased relatives) that are shaped by personal beliefs and cultural background.

These features are difficult to explain purely through brain waves, as cultural elements suggest that some experiences may be generated or influenced by psychological and sociocultural factors rather than neural activity.

6. Lack of Direct Evidence

While gamma waves have been recorded during cardiac arrest in animal models and rare human cases, no study has definitively linked gamma waves to the content of NDEs (like life reviews or feelings of peace).

The brain activity seen during death might be unrelated to what survivors later report as an NDE, with these reports potentially being post hoc reconstructions or hallucinations formed after recovery.

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣  ....ChatGPT......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.........

[papageorge1]

53 minutes ago, Piney said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣  ....ChatGPT......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.........

🤣🤣🤣🤣 .....Piney Said 100%.......🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

But actually, I have grown more and more impressed by ChatGPT the more I use it.

Edited October 15 by papageorge1