ADHD is responsible for modern humans…

[The Puzzler]

Kenemet is right…but this topic is not about how ADHD humans are progressing in todays world…

Its title …it’s responsible for modern humans being human and succeeding better in the beginning.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/prehistoric-humans-had-adhd-too-but-the-trait-hasnt-adapted-to-modern-life

[The Puzzler]

George Young, older brother of Malcolm and Angus Young from AC/DC and Harry Vanda, Dutch, it’s a wonderful song about the Titanic. They created the Easybeats and every other worthy Aussie music as producers of Albert Records, unintentionally but intentionally humorous, , probably both had ADHD x

Sorry, I promise to keep on topic now…

Edited November 13, 2024 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

11 hours ago, joc said:

She's not a girl who misses much!

 

You’re very right.

This song although credited to the “The Beatles” 

Was written by John Lennon really.

Did you know I have the same birthday as John Lennon, October 9th….I took this on board  from an early age when I watched his assassination over and over on an old b/w tv in my bedroom, I’m like October 9th…no way…I was like 12, it never left me.

John Lennon was the most enlightened and dangerous person on the planet in his time.

Edited November 13, 2024 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

18 hours ago, Kenemet said:

 

Einstein?  Really?  Muhammad Alit? And Bach?  Columbus??  Van Gogh???  The evidence is "well, he always 

I'm not convinced when I see quotes like "Bell, the inventor of the phone, gained his innovative and problem-solving personality thanks to his struggle with ADHD even though he had serious problems during his school years"  There's no mention of the schools that he went to and how many others there had problems (could have been the teachers, you know, or the books or his home life... a lot of other things.)

I think this is a "hey ADHD people -- it's okay!  Look at all these heroes!" article and not an actual representation of who might or might not have ADHD.

I took it as a study in people who were not great or well behaved at school, who often spend time in their own minds, probably with few friends, on detention but not really naughty, who entrenched themselves into an endeavour they were passionate about and let very little else, girls, friends, normal life, get in their way…I doubt most of them have a certificate that says I’m ADHD, however, the personality traits do dispose toward the ADHD symptoms. All these poets and mad scientists, maybe even witches burnt at the stake, women who had forced lobotomies….people .who we once saw as “eccentric”, misguided and didn’t fall into line, probably just had ADHD.

Edited November 13, 2024 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

The problem lies with you guys being on the other side of the world time continuum….by the time 1am rolls around, I’m kinda done…but tonight I been hunting hatching cicadas….they usually appear early November, being a bit late this year, I watch and wait for them….they hatch late at night, first one for the year x

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

but tonight I been hunting hatching cicadas….

What you do with them? Eat??

Edited November 13, 2024 by Abramelin

[Kenemet]

6 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

I took it as a study in people who were not great or well behaved at school, who often spend time in their own minds, probably with few friends, on detention but not really naughty, who entrenched themselves into an endeavour they were passionate about and let very little else, girls, friends, normal life, get in their way…I doubt most of them have a certificate that says I’m ADHD, however, the personality traits do dispose toward the ADHD symptoms. All these poets and mad scientists, maybe even witches burnt at the stake, women who had forced lobotomies….people .who we once saw as “eccentric”, misguided and didn’t fall into line, probably just had ADHD.

But that doesn't mean they had ADHD.

People (Van Gogh, for instance) can be very eccentric and very intelligent (clear diagnosis of depression) and not ADHD.  They could be bipolar, they could be natural polymaths, or a lot of other things.  Environment and circumstances (Bach, for instance) can drive someone to go from discovery to discovery simply because they've got a family to feed and if they don't crank out something new, they will starve.  And being part of a group of active thinkers and friends working on the leading edge of a discipline (Einstein, who was friends with the great leading mathematicians) leads to more and faster discoveries because it's done in situations where someone says "ooh!  I have an idea!" and someone else asks "have you thought of..." or "that's not quite right because..."

I get it that lists like this make some people happy, and that's not a bad thing.  But to take it as truth to produce more truths is a mistake -- particularly when you dive more deeply into their lives and circumstances.

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2024 by Kenemet

[Kenemet]

9 hours ago, Abramelin said:

And that's it, a 'feel good' list.

Btw., there those who've tried to convince us that Einstein was autistic.

Yup. Exactly.  I know a bit about some of the historical figures, and they don't really seem to belong on that list.  On the other hand, there's probably a lot of ADHD failures out there and a boatload of unknowns...but that's not a helpful list when you're struggling with managing ADHD.

[Abramelin]

13 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Yup. Exactly.  I know a bit about some of the historical figures, and they don't really seem to belong on that list.  On the other hand, there's probably a lot of ADHD failures out there and a boatload of unknowns...but that's not a helpful list when you're struggling with managing ADHD.

I think that one of the problems of us humans nowadays is, that every human behaviour that is somewhat different from the 'regular' or 'normal' behaviour is considered to be a symptom of a mental problem, or disease.

[The Puzzler]

11 hours ago, Abramelin said:

What you do with them? Eat??

lol I just like photographing them hatching…usually near midnight…but I hear insect meal is becoming quite popular 

[The Puzzler]

10 hours ago, Abramelin said:

I think that one of the problems of us humans nowadays is, that every human behaviour that is somewhat different from the 'regular' or 'normal' behaviour is considered to be a symptom of a mental problem, or disease.

I actually agree with this. I’m so over people and their inner problems like take a spoonful of cement mate.

we can’t go around thinking we are special because someone invented a medical term for it.

it’s about taking it on as normal, I think everyone possesses the ability to be depressed, to be ADHD, to be neurodivergent, to be whatever. 

The humans who began the great mind trek didn’t think hey I’ve got ADHD so I must repeat this 80 times in a week and  then never do it again…they just were part of a whole human scheme, some using the abilities, or “disabilities” that is, most likely, present in everyone.
 

[The Puzzler]

Did Denisovans have ADHD amongst themselves….?

That pretty chlorite bracelet….what’s that all about?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-65322-4

Genomic analysis of the natural history of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder using Neanderthal and ancient Homo sapiens samples

Edited November 14, 2024 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

On 11/14/2024 at 7:53 PM, The Puzzler said:

Did Denisovans have ADHD amongst themselves….?

That pretty chlorite bracelet….what’s that all about?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-65322-4

Genomic analysis of the natural history of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder using Neanderthal and ancient Homo sapiens samples

 

I find it interesting enough that science finds it interesting enough to be even doing tests on Neanderthals and Homo sapiens regarding ADHD…

It’s certainly a thing that exists within the realm of the topic imo.

So Neanderthals had some kind of ADHD, I can imagine, like, serious, outside the box is good, but only if you can utilise the objects outside of the box….why did they (Neanderthals) even have it…?  maybe it was useful for them when they themselves diverged from their early lineage…? Hunter gatherer skills…then maybe some DNA inhabited homo species with Neanderthals but we are like, wtf? How do we even deal with this?  
it’s like outside the normal paradigms…but some people were able to “utilise the objects outside of the box”…where it was needed to move forward, where nowadays, as woke as everyone is….be a boy, be a penguin…but don’t think outside the box….this is why humankind will only deteriorate from now on.

As someone said, because there’s a label on it now, it’s hard these days to be eccentric….

Edited November 17, 2024 by The Puzzler

[cladking]

7 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

As someone said, because there’s a label on it now, it’s hard these days to be eccentric….

People have always expected conformity.  Now day it seems that they expect conformity in thought and in actions.  

Contrarians have always had a leg up on everyone else though.  When everyone runs to port the boat capsizes and the only survivor is the one who ran to starboard.  

People without aspergers etc should probably try to teach themselves a little and then try to hide it. I'm sure you can break away from the crowds without having ADHD.  

Obviously every child must be taught how to conform but they should never be forced to  it.  There are conventions, laws, and responsibilities we all must attend. 

[Ajay0]

On 11/2/2024 at 1:52 AM, Abramelin said:

Look, I am not trying to prove the 3 kings story or Jesus' existence.

All I tried to do is pointing out that there was and still is a real tradition of Buddhist monks who use astrology (following a 'star') to find the reincarnation of their lama or dalai lama. They go to great lengths to find that reincarnated lama, and just decades ago they ended up in Spain.

The 'presents' for baby Jesus could have been items owned by their diseased lama. These items were a test for the toddler.

And that's all. These Buddhist monks must have travelled far and wide, even back then.

Remember the Indian emperor Ashoka? After he converted to Buddhism (several ages BCE) he sent missionaries out to many countries, and also to countries around the Med.

Just saying: these Buddhist travelled far, very far. And the ancient Israelis must have met them.

Jews living in Alexandria must have met them.

Thank you for this information. I knew about tibetan monks travelling to distant places to find reincarnated lamas or bodhisattvas, but I was not aware of the parts regarding the astrological star and tests with the toys. Stellar and star calculations were part of Tibetan astrology as I checked.