ADHD is responsible for modern humans…

[cladking]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

I'm a little disappointed in my fellow man and our propensity to only stay in our comfort areas and to avoid even thinking outside the box.  

The mean spirited, ugly, and awful things they say don't bother me nearly so much as their tendency to have absolutely no ability to see from another perspective or through another's eyes.  

I usually just ignore those who are a piece of work but how do you ignore a chorus chanting doctrine and lecturing the ill informed?   

[Abramelin]

46 minutes ago, Piney said:

ACCORDING TO MY PROFESSORS AND THIS GUY BART ERHMAN AT CHAPEL HILL.......

No....

@eight bits will tell you the same.😘

I expected you to say there were NO Tibetan monks back then.

There were none; Buddhism was introduced into Tibet centuries AD.

It could only have been Afghan Buddist monks. The Afghans were one of the first outside India to be converted to Buddhism.

[Piney]

11 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I expected you to say there were NO Tibetan monks back then.

There were none; Buddhism was introduced into Tibet centuries AD.

It could only have been Afghan Buddist monks. The Afghans were one of the first outside India to be converted to Buddhism.

Vajrayana developed directly in India but they were driven out by the Hindus and Muslims.

The three places it survived are Tibet, Nepal and Japan.

So since Vajrayana went India-Nepal-Tibet I don’t think any of the Greco-Sogdians in Afghanistan had much to do with it

[Piney]

15 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I expected you to say there were NO Tibetan monks back then.

There were none; Buddhism was introduced into Tibet centuries AD.

It could only have been Afghan Buddist monks. The Afghans were one of the first outside India to be converted to Buddhism.

I wasn't thinking about Tibetan monks.

 I was thinking about a two bit follower of John the Baptist who was put on a pedestal and given aspects and background of 3 different people named Jesus. 

[cormac mac airt]

2 hours ago, Abramelin said:

I don't care what you think about the present lama.

I tried to inform you about an ancient Tibetan tradition, but all you post is cheap bull.

I tried to tell you that those 3 magi may have had a real historical bases.

Did it really happen?

Not likely.

1)  The Mashiach/Messiah was expected by the Jews to be a simple flesh and blood person who would defeat the Romans and NOT some demi-God. Jesus was never pronounced "Mashiach" by the Sanhedrin in any case.

2)  The Messiah was supposed to be a lineal descendant of King David but the problem is that a)  there is no evidence that ancient Jews maintained a known written or oral lineage going back over 1000 years to David himself and b)  such a lineage would be impossible to maintain with the majority of Jews being removed to Babylon during the Babylonian Captivity. Any "King of the Jews" would have been so through their patrilineal ancestry. As the "son of God" Jesus had no such patrilineal ancestry. 

cormac

[atalante]

1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said:

Not likely.

1)  The Mashiach/Messiah was expected by the Jews to be a simple flesh and blood person who would defeat the Romans and NOT some demi-God. Jesus was never pronounced "Mashiach" by the Sanhedrin in any case.

The Sanhedrin trial of Jesus was consistent with, and likely began as, a trial for the crime of being a "mesith". (cf. Deuteronomy 13)

 https://www.tyndalebulletin.org/article/30449-was-jesus-a-_mesith_-public-response-to-jesus-and-his-ministry

Edited November 1, 2024 by atalante

[Kenemet]

8 hours ago, The Puzzler said:

https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/evolution
ADHD and Evolution: Were Hyperactive Hunter-Gatherers Better Adapted Than Their Peers?

So contrary to Kenemets reasons, which seemed quite sound…

..which type is more successful and helped homo become who we are today…?

Specifically, they examined the DRD4 7R, a genetic variant that researchers say may be linkedTrusted Source to novelty-seeking, greater food and substance-use cravings, and ADHD symptoms.

Research showed that members of the nomadic community with ADHD — those who still had to hunt for their food — were better nourished than those without ADHD.

I looked up the paper (the original, and it's more of an article than a paper https://faculty.washington.edu/dtae/manuscripts/eisenberg and campbell 2011 - the evolution of ADHD - artice in SF Medicine.pdf) -- there's some nuances missing.

The ADHD gene is an advantage -- but ONLY if you're nomadic.

Civilization didn't arise from nomads, but from non-nomadic people.

[Abramelin]

11 hours ago, cormac mac airt said:

Not likely.

But that wasn't my point.

[Thanos5150]

19 hours ago, Piney said:

Translation....."I don't have friends". 😆

The same friends who call him the "Egyptologist". 

[Thanos5150]

21 hours ago, Piney said:

You do realize the 3 Magi were just a "plot device" to attract Zuvan converts and fictional don't you? 

What is a "Zuvan"? 

[Trelane]

Maybe Zurvan? I don't know.  Clearly, since I didn't know about the Earth flipping and stuff regarding the pyramids being built.

Edited November 1, 2024 by Trelane

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, Thanos5150 said:

What is a "Zuvan"? 

A Zoroastrian doomsday cult that existed in the Middle East.

[Abramelin]

27 minutes ago, Piney said:

A Zoroastrian doomsday cult that existed in the Middle East.

And it is indeed "Zurvan" :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zurvanism

They were kind of late.

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

And it is indeed "Zurvan" :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zurvanism

They were kind of late.

I'm pulling from 25 year old memories. 

But the article doesn't say anything about them not existing at that time.

Their theology certainly did. It was what Agustine followed before he switched sides and started persecuting Zoroastrians. 

[Jon101]

23 hours ago, Piney said:

Translation....."I don't have friends". 😆

Mean. 

Excusable, but mean. 

Clad, despite my criticism of your ideas, I wish you well and hope you find happiness in your theories no matter how stupid and offensive they are. 

Possibly mean on my part too, but meant well.

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Jon101 said:

Mean. 

Excusable, but mean. 

Clad, despite my criticism of your ideas, I wish you well and hope you find happiness in your theories no matter how stupid and offensive they are. 

Possibly mean on my part too, but meant well.

Deserved.....

He was ranting and raging about my wife's favorite holiday.

 

[Abramelin]

4 hours ago, Piney said:

I'm pulling from 25 year old memories. 

But the article doesn't say anything about them not existing at that time.

Their theology certainly did. It was what Agustine followed before he switched sides and started persecuting Zoroastrians. 

Look, I am not trying to prove the 3 kings story or Jesus' existence.

All I tried to do is pointing out that there was and still is a real tradition of Buddhist monks who use astrology (following a 'star') to find the reincarnation of their lama or dalai lama. They go to great lengths to find that reincarnated lama, and just decades ago they ended up in Spain.

The 'presents' for baby Jesus could have been items owned by their diseased lama. These items were a test for the toddler.

And that's all. These Buddhist monks must have travelled far and wide, even back then.

 

Remember the Indian emperor Ashoka? After he converted to Buddhism (several ages BCE) he sent missionaries out to many countries, and also to countries around the Med.

Just saying: these Buddhist travelled far, very far. And the ancient Israelis must have met them.

Jews living in Alexandria must have met them.

Edited November 1, 2024 by Abramelin

[Kenemet]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Look, I am not trying to prove the 3 kings story or Jesus' existence.

All I tried to do is pointing out that there was and still is a real tradition of Buddhist monks who use astrology (following a 'star') to find the reincarnation of their lama or dalai lama. They go to great lengths to find that reincarnated lama, and just decades ago they ended up in Spain.

The 'presents' for baby Jesus could have been items owned by their diseased lama. These items were a test for the toddler.

And that's all. These Buddhist monks must have travelled far and wide, even back then.

 

Remember the Indian emperor Ashoka? After he converted to Buddhism (several ages BCE) he sent missionaries out to many countries, and also to countries around the Med.

Just saying: these Buddhist travelled far, very far. And the ancient Israelis must have met them.

Jews living in Alexandria must have met them.

But Judaism is a fairly strong regional belief system and Buddhism doesn't proselytize.  Syncretization of one religion occurs when the religion is in constant contact with the other -- not from a group wandering in and practicing their beliefs. It requires assimilation by leaders and priests.

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Look, I am not trying to prove the 3 kings story or Jesus' existence.

All I tried to do is pointing out that there was and still is a real tradition of Buddhist monks who use astrology (following a 'star') to find the reincarnation of their lama or dalai lama. They go to great lengths to find that reincarnated lama, and just decades ago they ended up in Spain.

The 'presents' for baby Jesus could have been items owned by their diseased lama. These items were a test for the toddler.

And that's all. These Buddhist monks must have travelled far and wide, even back then.

 

Remember the Indian emperor Ashoka? After he converted to Buddhism (several ages BCE) he sent missionaries out to many countries, and also to countries around the Med.

Just saying: these Buddhist travelled far, very far. And the ancient Israelis must have met them.

Jews living in Alexandria must have met them.

The teachings in Matthew were stolen directly from Ashoka probably via a long lost Alexandrian Greco-Buddhist book.

Your preaching to the choir.

[Abramelin]

18 minutes ago, Piney said:

The teachings in Matthew were stolen directly from Ashoka probably via a long lost Alexandrian Greco-Buddhist book.

Your preaching to the choir.

But it looks like I have a problem of convincing you that there was an ancient Buddhist tradition of 'following a star'.

[Piney]

10 hours ago, Abramelin said:

But it looks like I have a problem of convincing you that there was an ancient Buddhist tradition of 'following a star'.

I know about that. It goes further back. It's Indo-Aryan. 

And that was where that addition in the Gospels probably did come from. But it doesn't mean it happened.

Jesus was given many Therapeutae aspects also.

And the Therapeutae were probably Buddhist monks. 

[Kenemet]

16 hours ago, Abramelin said:

But it looks like I have a problem of convincing you that there was an ancient Buddhist tradition of 'following a star'.

Count me skeptical as well -- as someone who did astrology.

You don't follow a star.  They ended up in Spain because they looked for someone born at a certain time with certain attributes and were told that such a person was in Spain.  While cities and so forth do have "birthdates", that's more a modern thing.

[Abramelin]

19 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Count me skeptical as well -- as someone who did astrology.

You don't follow a star.  They ended up in Spain because they looked for someone born at a certain time with certain attributes and were told that such a person was in Spain.  While cities and so forth do have "birthdates", that's more a modern thing.

I practised astrology for some 20 years. And that's with logarithmic tables and the first handheld Texas Instruments programmable calculators. One guy I knew - a math wizard - still publishes books about astrology ( Johan Ligteneigen ).

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Of course you don't follow a star. But how would you explain what you did to someone who wants to know how you arrived at his place without having a clue about astrology?

There are ancient methods of casting a horoscope that are supposed to tell you where to find what in what direction.

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Not all astrology is about birth dates of persons. Thàt is a modern thing.

I once watched a documentary about how these Tibetan monks found their way to Spain. And astrology was mentioned.

Edited November 2, 2024 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

On 11/2/2024 at 8:18 AM, Abramelin said:

But it looks like I have a problem of convincing you that there was an ancient Buddhist tradition of 'following a star'.

Your post on that was very thought provoking, yes the Dalai Lama was chosen that way….very interesting…a star…constellation. Also those who were guided to his house by certain signs, prophecies. Very good.

[The Puzzler]

On 11/1/2024 at 6:11 AM, Piney said:

What "leaders of my religion"? Quakers don't have "leaders".

I learned Christian History at U. of Penn and Swarthmore while going to several Princeton lectures. The Nativity was fiction....

Don't be an ahole.....

Tbh Piney, which one are you…

You come here “preaching” your American Indian ways,  then when you’re in a corner pull out your Quaker side. 
Quite frankly, your beliefs are getting the better of you here. Just because you don’t believe in some religious things and had some bad experiences…..at least make a reply contributing to the historical function of said action in the text, for the sake of the topic. 

You railroaded my post mentioning the Magi (amongst others like Alexander) by doing this….going on about the Magi being bogus…it doesn’t matter if they were or weren’t, they influence Christianity, which has been a force for near 2000years, based on this “story”. Whether you think it’s bs or not, the contribution to our world from the actions of apparent Magi has been enormous.

But that wasn’t the point of the post…it was about people with a predisposition to be the unusual ones as having the ability, leading huge amounts of people, but (agreeing with kenemet now) not being very good as a coersive human production machine…therefore making ADHD humans lesser productive to the run of human society today.

Abe wasn’t being an *******…..

Edited November 3, 2024 by The Puzzler