ADHD is responsible for modern humans…

[Piney]

1 hour ago, The Puzzler said:

Tbh Piney, which one are you…

You come here “preaching” your American Indian ways,  then when you’re in a corner pull out your Quaker side. 
Quite frankly, your beliefs are getting the better of you here. Just because you don’t believe in some religious things and had some bad experiences…..at least make a reply contributing to the historical function of said action in the text, for the sake of the topic. 

You railroaded my post mentioning the Magi (amongst others like Alexander) by doing this….going on about the Magi being bogus…it doesn’t matter if they were or weren’t, they influence Christianity, which has been a force for near 2000years, based on this “story”. Whether you think it’s bs or not, the contribution to our world from the actions of apparent Magi has been enormous.

But that wasn’t the point of the post…it was about people with a predisposition to be the unusual ones as having the ability, leading huge amounts of people, but (agreeing with kenemet now) not being very good as a coersive human production machine…therefore making ADHD humans lesser productive to the run of human society today.

Abe wasn’t being an *******…..

I don't "preach" either side here. Considering I'm a deist and don't follow anything. I use them for comparison. 

The Magi was just something added.A minor incident and the main driver for Christianity wasn't them. It was the world getting ****ty and people looking for a escape while others were looking for control.

 Saul of Taurus (Paul) was the main driver. Not three imaginary characters. 

[The Puzzler]

50 minutes ago, Piney said:

I don't "preach" either side here. Considering I'm a deist and don't follow anything. I use them for comparison. 

The Magi was just something added.A minor incident and the main driver for Christianity wasn't them. It was the world getting ****ty and people looking for a escape while others were looking for control.

 Saul of Taurus (Paul) was the main driver. Not three imaginary characters. 

OK Piney, I said what I said, I’m happy to move on.

So, maybe Paul had ADHD…..the drivers of opinion, real or imagined…where the others, the sheep, the masses, follow.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, The Puzzler said:

OK Piney, I said what I said, I’m happy to move on.

So, maybe Paul had ADHD…..the drivers of opinion, real or imagined…where the others, the sheep, the masses, follow.

Paul persecuted Christians when his fellow Jews didn't really care. He p***ed off both sides and then "had his vision" before the Jews let the Christians have at him and was suddenly "converted".

ADHD had nothing to do with it. Control issues did. 

ADHD only helps when your a nomad. As others have said. 

[The Puzzler]

He’s old school, whipping asses, driving garbage trucks…building walls, he’s a  sometime scum bucket,  who isn’t?

It’s an observation of the person and the people, even today, who may possess ADHD and if they have a place in todays world…

Anyway, opinions, opinions are like aholes, everyone’s got one. Good luck America in your election.

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[The Puzzler]

15 minutes ago, Piney said:

Paul persecuted Christians when his fellow Jews didn't really care. He p***ed off both sides and then "had his vision" before the Jews let the Christians have at him and was suddenly "converted".

ADHD had nothing to do with it. Control issues did. 

ADHD only helps when your a nomad. As others have said. 

I don’t totally buy that.

I think it and narcissism go hand in hand…have controlled the world since even Stone Age times in the form of shamans, priests, magi TYPES, leaders, some tyrannical Kings, military men, nutjob Roman emperors, all these types, to control the people, in a way they felt right, to keep control of issues that impacted them…

I think it’s probable it declined as we became less nomadic….but the leaders still had it, even if the general populace didn’t….probably as they didn’t spread genes so easy from less interaction….like priests and the like, not like the family out there having 6 kids in olde times..

 

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[The Puzzler]

The topic is ADHD is responsible for modern humans…

it doesn’t matter if it is working against us now, at one time, it worked for us.

Now working against the dogma of life.

Our creator may be our demise after all.

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

I don’t totally buy that.

I think it and narcissism go hand in hand…have controlled the world since even Stone Age times in the form of shamans, priests, magi TYPES, leaders, some tyrannical Kings, military men, nutjob Roman emperors, all these types, to control the people, in a way they felt right, to keep control of issues that impacted them…

I think it’s probable it declined as we became less nomadic….but the leaders still had it, even if the general populace didn’t….

Shamans are only advisors and war leaders only lead by example among all the nomads I studied and actually saw it in person when my father was chief and nobody listened to him. 😆

Control issues started with permanent settlement and once again has nothing to do with ADHD. 

[Piney]

Just now, The Puzzler said:

The topic is ADHD is responsible for modern humans…

it doesn’t matter if it is working against us now, at one time, it worked for us.

Now working against the dogma of life.

Our creator may be our demise after all.

As nomads. 

And Friends and Montessori Schools know how to direct it in a positive way. 

[The Puzzler]

Having attention hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) may affect your ability to pay attention, manage your impulses, or sit still for long periods of time.

 

About 6.1 million childrenTrusted Source in the United States have been diagnosed with ADHD. It also affects adults. Approximately 4.4 percentTrusted Source of Americans ages 18 to 44 years have been diagnosed with the disorder.

ADHD was originally referred to as hyperkinetic impulse disorder. The disorder was first mentioned in 1902 by British pediatrician Sir George Still, who called it “an immoral defect of moral control in children.”,

https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/evolution#How-to-use-ADHD-to-your-advantage

[The Puzzler]

9 minutes ago, Piney said:

As nomads. 

And Friends and Montessori Schools know how to direct it in a positive way. 

As nomads, of course we were nomads when we became proper modern humans 100,000-50,000BC]

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[Piney]

10 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

As nomads, of course we were nomads when we became proper modern humans 100,000-50,000BC]

But Hunter-gatherers never had "rulers". They were a full participatory democracy. Just "advisors" and if the advice was bad. They got rid of them 

[The Puzzler]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

But Hunter-gatherers never had "rulers". They were a full participatory democracy. Just "advisors" and if the advice was bad. They got rid of them 

You don’t know that.

It would seem unlikely they never had a chief, even animals have hierarchies.

[The Puzzler]

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

But Hunter-gatherers never had "rulers". They were a full participatory democracy. Just "advisors" and if the advice was bad. They got rid of them 

I watched The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance last night…your post reminds me of the movie…

[Piney]

11 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

You don’t know that.

It would seem unlikely they never had a chief, even animals have hierarchies.

I do know that from studying modern ones. A chief rules strictly by suggestion. Warriors gain followers through abilities. 

[The Puzzler]

12 minutes ago, Piney said:

I do know that from studying modern ones. A chief rules strictly by suggestion. Warriors gain followers through abilities. 

Autism on the spectrum, ADHD or a bit of both…

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359469718_Rasputin_holy_fool_and_autism

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[Piney]

7 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

Autism on the spectrum, ADHD or a bit of both…

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/359469718_Rasputin_holy_fool_and_autism

So? 

I have a chromosomal disorder involving autism which my people attribute to a Skinwalker and most Heyoka and Windigo Clowns have autism. As with two Korean Shaman I know. 

Mikey and Kat Gear, two archaeologists I'm friendly with made this connection decades ago among many others who "saw the obvious".

 

[The Puzzler]

The ilk of humankind who were priests, soothsayers, medicine men, kings, leaders, people who received the laws from Gods were often from generations old of the same.

Sumerian kinglists, Egyptian reports, Moses and Aaron Noah, even Josephus mentions his ancestry from ancient priests, all of civilisation talk of eons old ancestors.

Leading have been leading from eternity and imo most, most likely had some kind of “neurodivergent” symptoms. Some weren’t but were clever enough to integrate into the system.

We have no real idea how old the study of chiefdom is but I personally think it’s very old.

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[The Puzzler]

12 minutes ago, Piney said:

So? 

I have a chromosomal disorder involving autism which my people attribute to a Skinwalker and most Heyoka and Windigo Clowns have autism. As with two Korean Shaman I know. 

Mikey and Kat Gear, two archaeologists I'm friendly with made this connection decades ago among many others who "saw the obvious".

 

So….he’s the  last true Siberian SHAMAN, and not even born into it. Many died frightfully, as he did, pursuing their priestly cause.

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[The Puzzler]

16 minutes ago, Piney said:

So? 

I have a chromosomal disorder involving autism which my people attribute to a Skinwalker and most Heyoka and Windigo Clowns have autism. As with two Korean Shaman I know. 

Mikey and Kat Gear, two archaeologists I'm friendly with made this connection decades ago among many others who "saw the obvious".

 

Aren’t your people the Quakers…?

Or are they just your “religious people”?

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[Piney]

1 minute ago, The Puzzler said:

Aren’t your people the Quakers…?

My mother's are. My father was the Black-Lenape help. 

I was raised in both worlds. I'm a member of the Quaker "Founding Father" gentry but was introduced to my culture by the PYM Indian Commitee and my grandfather.

My stepsister who passed away was found by AFSC humanitarian aid workers on the Indian farm worker trail as a unwanted orphan and was brought here to be raised by my people then introduced to her tribe by the PYM Indian Committee.

I then later volunteered with the AFSC to help protect and restore indigenous cultures and beliefs. 

 

[Piney]

14 minutes ago, The Puzzler said:

So….he’s the  last true Siberian SHAMAN, and not even born into it. Many died frightfully, as he did, pursuing their priestly cause.

Except he was a Christian mystic and the Quakers are full of them.

See: Daniel Leeds

[Antigonos]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

 

My stepsister who passed away was found by AFSC humanitarian aid workers on the Indian farm worker trail as a unwanted orphan and was brought here to be raised by my people then introduced to her tribe by the PYM Indian Committee.

 

 

Sondra Ball? Or are you referring to a different sister?

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Sondra Ball? Or are you referring to a different sister?

Yup.

She was probably born in a cave in Kentucky and when my Uncle George found her she was 12 and had already taught herself to read picking newspapers from the trash. 

I'm chomping at the bit to show you her townhouse on the big lake.

[Piney]

24 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Sondra Ball? Or are you referring to a different sister?

Oh, by the way. Once you stay in a Alexander Harvey house and see a Bassett townhouse you'll fully understand why I consider Mar-A-LEGO a dump. 

 

[The Puzzler]

20 hours ago, Piney said:

Except he was a Christian mystic and the Quakers are full of them.

See: Daniel Leeds

It’s funny, I notice the pattern here…

No comments on either this or GT one….

Seems I made some valid points….that’s when I see no one scoffs a reply…